India bags US$ 40 million defence deal to supply 4 radar systems to Armenia

[Surya 1]

India has many such things awaiting to get a big order. India just need to push them aggressively like others do. Akash, Dhanush, ATAGS, QRSAM, Warships across a large spectrum, MBRL, Tejas, Bullet proof jackets, Radars and so many many other things have big potential.

Development of swati was started after kargil victory when the need for such radar was felt. Initially, it was decided to import. However, as the imported products couldn't met requirement, this particular radar was developed. It has a glorious history of operation in locating enemy gun position and guiding Indian guns to strike them precisely.

Can India make J-10C with AESA radar, PL-15 missile and 140KN WS-10B? You are not even close to them!

No, we can not make such junk. Our AESA is much better than that of chinese and in its testing phase, it has shown better result than ELTA 2052. Yes, chinese make many such engines but ends up buying from russia. China is such a nation which buys forth generation plane inspite of having fifth generation plane. They claim that they have a great BMD but ultimately buys S 400 from Russia.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

I suppose this is how they signal displeasure to turkey...
When and if turks and pakistaniz come for india there will be no saving.

1000 year old history will repeat itself. If india calls for it. Ganguu bast****

Nobody brought Turkey here. The Turks conquered you lot physically (us too) and culturally(not yet). It seems you need their assistance even now.

 

[Beast]

I was not talking about consumer items but industrial equipment. China beats us in price and delivery. But Chinese equipment can be pretty dicey if not inspected properly. Indian suppliers stand behind their products. Ofcourse you have to source from established Indian suppliers.

Consumer goods?
http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0414/c90000-9044501.html

https://www.livemint.com/Companies/.../Ban-on-ZPMC-cranes-to-hurt-Indian-ports.html

China is a powerhouse in industrial export, we occupy a huge share of industrial equipment market. Even US shipyard that builds aircraft carrier use ZPMC shipyard crane.
I dont know where have you been living for past decades to think India is some better industrial equipment builder than China. Not even in technology, quantity and quality.

Some of the world beater industrial equipment is made in China.

This ship is banned for any foreign rental or usage due to its strategic value. Solely can be used by Chinese industrial or state owned.

 

[Dark1]

Please be realistic.

China is MILES ahead of India in the arms sector.

Can India make J-10C with AESA radar, PL-15 missile and 140KN WS-10B? You are not even close to them!

China was just an example. We have a untapped manufacturing base , which has totally ignored arms manufacturing until recently. Indian non military products are used all over the world, including our neighbours in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka . If you have a manufacturing base, it can be used for any products. We dont have to export only high tech arms, a army requires many other medium tech equipment.

 

[UKBengali]

No, we can not make such junk. Our AESA is much better than that of chinese and in its testing phase, it has shown better result than ELTA 2052. Yes, chinese make many such engines but ends up buying from russia. China is such a nation which buys forth generation plane inspite of having fifth generation plane. They claim that they have a great BMD but ultimately buys S 400 from Russia.

You are being wrapped up in nationalistic emotion here.

J-10C in exercises destroyed the Su-35 in air-combat exercises.
They no longer import any Russian engines as every single plane produce for the PLAAF/PLAAN has Chinese engine now.
24 SU-35 were brought for comparison purposes and it got destroyed by J-10C in Chinese exercises. No more SU-35 have been brought.

As for S-400, yes it is better than anything even in the West and so the Chinese brought some systems as Russia is still ahead of them in SAM tech.

 

[Dark1]

You are being wrapped up in nationalistic emotion here.

J-10C in exercises destroyed the Su-35 in air-combat exercises.
They no longer import any Russian engines as every single plane produce for the PLAAF/PLAAN has Chinese engine now.
24 SU-35 were brought for comparison purposes and it got destroyed by J-10C in Chinese exercises. No more SU-35 have been brought.

As for S-400, yes it is better than anything even in the West and so the Chinese brought some systems as Russia is still ahead of them in SAM tech.

I personally am not impressed by Russian equipment in the last 30 years. Too much maintenance prone and unreliable. And now way behind the west in tech. S400 has good specs but its performance is not visible in Syria.

 

[UKBengali]

China was just an example. We have a untapped manufacturing base , which has totally ignored arms manufacturing until recently. Indian non military products are used all over the world, including our neighbours in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka . If you have a manufacturing base, it can be used for any products. We dont have to export only high tech arms, a army requires many other medium tech equipment.

India definitely has got potential in the defence sector no doubt.

It spends 60 billion US dollars a year on arms and has an economy that is expected to grow 6-7% a year over the medium-long term and so this amount will get exponentially large.

India's best plan is to export medium tech products like radars and short-range SAM systems like QRSAM.

Just keep building products that are suitable for Indian military and sell as and when the opportunity arises abroad.

 

[Nilgiri]

India has many such things awaiting to get a big order. India just need to push them aggressively like others do. Akash, Dhanush, ATAGS, QRSAM, Warships across a large spectrum, MBRL, Tejas, Bullet proof jackets, Radars and so many many other things have big potential.

Development of swati was started after kargil victory when the need for such radar was felt. Initially, it was decided to import. However, as the imported products couldn't met requirement, this particular radar was developed. It has a glorious history of operation in locating enemy gun position and guiding Indian guns to strike them precisely.



No, we can not make such junk. Our AESA is much better than that of chinese and in its testing phase, it has shown better result than ELTA 2052. Yes, chinese make many such engines but ends up buying from russia. China is such a nation which buys forth generation plane inspite of having fifth generation plane. They claim that they have a great BMD but ultimately buys S 400 from Russia.

Please, you are literally trying to talk sense to an unemployed idiot that is quoting results of chinese "exercises" as some transparent vetted factual basis for something....when in the end we see what they have to buy anyway despite the hoo-hah.

Then there's the other idiot in here (with the rating ratio he has) trying to stronk it up about his engineering sector credentials as though that can be true at same time. PDF is such a funny place.

 

[Dark1]

Beast , it's not a one to one product competition. China is way ahead in the breadth of its products. I mean India has good enough manufacturing base to capture a small market share in arms .

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

No, we can not make such junk. Our AESA is much better than that of chinese and in its testing phase, it has shown better result than ELTA 2052.

Uttam is a crap. That mini AWAC got its *** beaten by a 4th generation plane.

 

[UKBengali]

I personally am not impressed by Russian equipment in the last 30 years. Too much maintenance prone and unreliable. And now way behind the west in tech. S400 has good specs but its performance is not visible in Syria.

Russian products apart from SAMs are pretty crap to be honest.

Look at SU-57 to see how they are falling behind the best. India was smart to leave that program as it would have delivered a sub-par product not suitable for the IAF.

I would not take Syria as any indication of the capability of the S-400. There is a reason why lots of countries are rushing to buy this SAM system

 

[Dark1]

India definitely has got potential in the defence sector no doubt.

It spends 60 billion US dollars a year on arms and has an economy that is expected to grow 6-7% a year over the medium-long term and so this amount will get exponentially large.

India's best plan is to export medium tech products like radars and short-range SAM systems like QRSAM.

Just keep building products that are suitable for Indian military and sell as and when the opportunity arises abroad.

You got what I meant. Even vehicles are a big part of any army. They are not a high tech product. If we can export literally millions of civilian vehicles every year, it's not hard to technically branch to military vehicles. The Japanese have done very well with their Toyota pick ups. Every terrorist group seems to have unlimited toyotas. Not a very good example, but you get my meaning .

Ps - India has a 40 b usd annual defence budget, a major chunk going to salaries I think.

 

[Surya 1]

You are being wrapped up in nationalistic emotion here.

J-10C in exercises destroyed the Su-35 in air-combat exercises.
They no longer import any Russian engines as every single plane produce for the PLAAF/PLAAN has Chinese engine now.
24 SU-35 were brought for comparison purposes and it got destroyed by J-10C in Chinese exercises. No more SU-35 have been brought.

As for S-400, yes it is better than anything even in the West and so the Chinese brought some systems as Russia is still ahead of them in SAM tech.

Su 35 was bought to copy it. China has copied many Russian planes. Example : J 15 is one of them. J 10 kill Su 35 is the joke of 21st century. Had this been truth, many countries across the world would have bought J 10. It is a poorly designed aerodynamic disaster and wastage of Russian engine. Many J 10s have fallen while fling. 9 fell down in just 2 years.

If they are so impressive, BD should select J 10 instead of Russian planes.

 

[AViet]

I was not talking about consumer items but industrial equipment. China beats us in price and delivery. But Chinese equipment can be pretty dicey if not inspected properly. Indian suppliers stand behind their products. Ofcourse you have to source from established Indian suppliers.

Can India manufacture indigenously any complicated equipment at all, or just assemble from Chinese/West/Russian parts? This is the first question.

I have experience with heat exchangers made in India (TEMA). Extremely poor quality. Same with some big pumps.

Vietnam used to have yearly deficit of around 2 billion US$ with India. Now we have trade surplus of around 2 billions (2019 data), and we are now exporting more equipment to India than vice versa.

And about radars, Vietnam has been license manufacturing air warning radars for long time and even exporting them. We started manufacturing sea warning radar in 2017.

 

[Dark1]

Can India manufacture indigenously any complicated equipment at all, or just assemble from Chinese/West/Russian parts? This is the first question.

I have experience with heat exchangers made in India (TEMA). Extremely poor quality. Same with some big pumps.

Vietnam used to have yearly deficit of around 2 billion US$ with India. Now we have trade surplus of around 2 billions (2019 data), and we are now exporting more equipment to India than vice versa.

I don't really believe you since I have a lot of experience in the industry.
TEMA - Tubular Exchanger Manufacturers Association
It's a Association, not a manufacturer. You have to source from established companies.
What make were the pumps ?
Also your asking about assembly is a bit childish. You do realize their are other products then consumers electronics ?
Next time read the iPhone package carefully- its assembled in china, not manufactured. 80 % iPhone parts are outsourced from MNCs