India, Australia to strengthen defence ties to contain China

[shree835]

Without manufacturing, India will have no need to purchase the minerals. And without proper infrastructure, India cannot develop manufacturing. And with the rampant corruption, India will not build any descent infrastructure. So until India has a revolution or is split into many pieces, India will be in its way to supplant China in buying any Australian coals or minerals. India remind me of China before 1949.

This is going to happen with CHINA in coming future, world will see at least 30 new country coming out from CHINA , look around what happened with communist country at last.

 

[Brahmos_2]

Australia PM visited china 3 times atleast in the last two years alone, how many time did she went to india

Her boy friend is working in China

 

[jhungary]

Mate- you dont look like currently based in sweden..it is early morning there right now..

I am in Sydney for my Business degree......so, no, I am not in Sweden at this moment.

And hence my point to Australia.....

 

[jhungary]

China is definitely not like Japan in the 1980s. In 1980, Japan exceeded US as the #1 automobile manufacturer. In 2008, China exceeded Japan as #1 manufacturer. But in 2009, China exceeded US as the #1 market for automobile. Their market is what distinguish China from Japan and other Asian Tigers or dragons. And it is set to grow bigger. as for if a market is big enough to ignore, if an US CEO of fortune 500 goes in front of the board and tell them that there is no plan specifically for the China market, the person would be fired on the spot. But of course any business can still ignore China. Its just that China is the market that is least affordable by the businessman to ignore. As for profitability, it will come with time. China actually on course to be the biggest profitable market. So we can talk about logic and how people might not make money from China eventually, but we are talking about something decades away from now, something for your grandkids to worry about. Soon, everyone would know that Gordon Chang proposing an view alternative to reality that he will not be able to back up until after he dies.

I think it's apparent that we post a different view, so I don't see any point keep arguing, when you will not change your mind and neither do I.

What I want to say this before parting is, of course you can think China is still going to be one major force in the given century, but the problem is, it does not necessarily require China to fall in order for them to not be profitable. You also need to look at the other end of the looking glass, other country can rise and on the way up.

You may not realise but during the talk of 21st century, China have actually dialling down on everything, it's of a increasing trent that there are not as profitable to invest in China as probably the 1990s and 2000s. What it need is some new force to push China off the edge. And there are no lacking of such force.

It's bad for China to be complacent, after 20 years odd growth, not many people can see that yet, but if you happened to tour China in the coming years, you would know what I am talking about

 

[faithfulguy]

This is going to happen with CHINA in coming future, world will see at least 30 new country coming out from CHINA , look around what happened with communist country at last.

No reason for China to do that. But India is a British creation any way. It was not united until British come and united India. Just like if a country can conquere all the European country today, unite all of Europe and create a country called Europe. Does this mean that all of Europe have always been united even if one start to give examples of how Roman Empire united Europe ?This was exactly how India was created, by a country outside of the region(Britain) that defeated all the countries inside India subcontinent and finally created a country called India.

 

[shree835]

No reason for China to do that. But India is a British creation any way. It was not united until British come and united India. Just like if a country can conquere all the European country today, unite all of Europe and create a country called Europe. Does this mean that all of Europe have always been united even if one start to give examples of how Roman Empire united Europe ?This was exactly how India was created, by a country outside of the region(Britain) that defeated all the countries inside India subcontinent and finally created a country called India.

You need to go through history, with your statement I can understand that you know nothing about INDIA…Don’t look everything from communist specs, did you forgot Tienanmen Square, and how CPC killed CHINESE like RAT… Stop reading CPC controlled news paper.

 

[Echo_419]

Get bored with these containing China thread, anything else pragmatic?

Me too
There was a similar thread about India & Australia increasing defence cooperation not a single comment was there but as soon you add china
Well you can see the result

Sino-Indian relations are not going to go anywhere but up
Period

 

[walle]

Australian political analysts is seeking to balance US china influence down under and Indians believe Australia wants to partner up and **** off their top customer?

A necessary step into Australia's Asian century but given indias status it's a mere gesture rather than anything solid.

 

[faithfulguy]

You need to go through history, with your statement I can understand that you know nothing about INDIA…Don’t look everything from communist specs, did you forgot Tienanmen Square, and how CPC killed CHINESE like RAT… Stop reading CPC controlled news paper.

You are the one without any knowledge of Indian history. For example, you are from Mysore kingdom. Its the British that destroyed that kingdom and created India. If you have any pride, you would revert the destruction of British by declare the independence of Mysore state for your part of India.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Here is Australia's intelligence assessment on India.

----------------------------------- The Rise of India as a Global Power -----------------------------------

¶10. (S) Delivering an intelligence assessment, Australian Office of National Assessment Director General Peter Varghese said India was undergoing a historic transition, especially in regards to economic policy. Politically, while the nation had some sense of its intentions vis-a-vis China and South Asia, it had yet to articulate a strategic worldview. Much of India,s future would be defined by its competitive relationship with China, which would shape its relations with the rest of East Asia. India would probably be less patient in its diplomatic relations than China, Varghese noted, but CANBERRA 00000004 003 OF 003 believed its ultimate interests lay with the forces of democracy and democratic change. India, Varghese concluded, viewed democracy as both a values-based and strategic asset.

¶11. (S) U/S Burns observed the U.S-India relationship was far more advanced in the private sector than government. India was not an ambivalent power, but one without a clear sense of global identity, with one foot still in the non-aligned camp and the other foot in the global actor camp. Burns agreed with Varghese,s conclusion that India was defined by its democratic system. U/S Burns also noted the U.S.-India relationship should not be defined through the prism of China. Predicting that India would be a priority for the new U.S. president in 2009, as it had been for President Bush, Burns listed a second green revolution, energy, military-to-military cooperation, and space as areas of potential cooperation. Accordingly, the TSD members should discuss areas of bilateral and multilateral cooperation.

¶12. (S) DFM Yabunaka noted he was very pleased with the evolving intelligence cooperation taking place in the TSD, said India served as an important counterbalance to China, and noted an Indian official had asked him: wasn,t it true that two nuclear powers in East Asia was better than one? On the other hand, DFM Yabunaka noted India was hampered by creaky infrastructure and a glacial bureaucratic decision-making process. The pace of change, development, and improvisation was far slower in India than in China, Yabunaka said, giving the Chinese a comparative advantage. ¶13. (U) This cable has been cleared by Under Secretary Burns.

U/s Burns At 12/5 Tsd Som - Afghanistan, Pakistan, India


And Australian perception of China in the defence white paper.

Dr. Thomson gave an overview of China's military modernization, arguing that it sought to develop the capability not only to have its way with Taiwan, while blocking a U.S. response, but also to assert its hegemony over the region. The annual U.S. DOD Report to Congress on China's Military Modernization failed to make this point clearly and strongly enough, he observed. In Thomson's view, "transparency" is not the issue. China's intentions are transparent, but problematic.

Australia's Defense White Paper Update

 

[mirage2K]

My bad my country china didnt have the luxury of colonised by uk for 200 years and English as an official language not to mention a white Italian waitress as a leader

but you people did have the luxury of japanese influence...so why do you people are not humble and respectful like them...

You are the one without any knowledge of Indian history. For example, you are from Mysore kingdom. Its the British that destroyed that kingdom and created India. If you have any pride, you would revert the destruction of British by declare the independence of Mysore state for your part of India.

I was born in "Mysore Kingdom" too and live in Mumbai should I secede from India too and call for my war of independence from Bom

 

[faithfulguy]

but you people did have the luxury of japanese influence...so why do you people are not humble and respectful like them...



I was born in "Mysore Kingdom" too and live in Mumbai should I secede from India too and call for my war of independence from Bom

You are not in Mysore, you are in an area control by Maratha empire before the British take over. Even though Mumbai was a British creation.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You are the one without any knowledge of Indian history. For example, you are from Mysore kingdom. Its the British that destroyed that kingdom and created India. If you have any pride, you would revert the destruction of British by declare the independence of Mysore state for your part of India.

By implication you advocate the independence of Taiwan and cession of states in USA and breakup of PRC into Tibet, Xinjiang, Manchukuo, Beiyang, Guominjun, Fengtian, Zhili, Mengjiang etc? damn a traitor to every nation

But aleast unlike your previous stance you advocate independence for Taiwan rather than rule by Japan,

No wonder you have hidden in USA

 

[shree835]

You are the one without any knowledge of Indian history. For example, you are from Mysore kingdom. Its the British that destroyed that kingdom and created India. If you have any pride, you would revert the destruction of British by declare the independence of Mysore state for your part of India.

I told you kid you know nothing, your statement is nothing more than a bunch of joke.

 

[mirage2K]

You are not in Mysore, you are in an area control by Maratha empire before the British take over. Even though Mumbai was a British creation.

but my family is from "Mysore Kingdom"...any advice how to secede Captain since you taiwanese have got experience in that.....moreover Bombay was never controlled by the Marathas it was transfered by the Gujarat sultanate to the Portuguese in 1524 who inturn leased it to the East India company in 1688 and was later directly controlled by the British empire and the Maratha empire only came into prominence in 1674, the Marathas did have a presence in Vasai (Bassein) in 1739 and Salsette island in 1737 but it was not part of Bombay island then...but now part of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region (MMR) so technically Bombay was never part of the Maratha empire