India, Australia to strengthen defence ties to contain China

[faithfulguy]

And yet you support their cession?



Provinces with their own army, independent Govts and separate foreign ties with the Foreign nations? hmmmm............that reminds me



Now you are being discriminatory against the Chinese here and possibly racist too

Mysore and Maratha are considered as independent kingdoms but you deny the same to independent Chinese entities you mention above



OH my God!

Now you support Nazi theories and being anti-Semite .

Seriously i am confused now.

First you are person seeking breakup of PRC, India and USA, then you support Nazi theories now? WTF, what next are going to deny Nanking and justify Japanese atrocities too.

First of all, Aryan invasion of India is a historical fact. Do you deny them by comparing the legitimate historians as Nazis.

Next, India subcontinent has many independent kingdoms. Your reference to American states do not make sense as America did not exist until 1776 and the states were all part of one country. As for China, most of the provinces you referred were part of a unified country except during the turmoils of warlord period between 1916 until Japanese invasion. So you compare this period of several years with the lengthy existence kingdom of Mysore, Maratha, etc... You are fooling no one.

 

[Yeti]

First of all, Aryan invasion of India is a historical fact. Do you deny them by comparing the legitimate historians as Nazis.

Next, India subcontinent has many independent kingdoms. Your reference to American states do not make sense as America did not exist until 1776 and the states were all part of one country. As for China, most of the provinces you referred were part of a unified country except during the turmoils of warlord period between 1916 until Japanese invasion. So you compare this period of several years with the lengthy existence kingdom of Mysore, Maratha, etc... You are fooling no one.

umm no its not the so called Aryan invasion or migration has been debunked its a theory not a historical fact lol

what school did u go son?

 

[faithfulguy]

umm no its not the so called Aryan invasion or migration has been debunked its a theory not a historical fact lol

what school did u go son?

My son is probably older than you, kid. You should go back to do your homework. As for Aryan invasion, only the Indian revisionist would deny its existence. Many people in India is rewriting history to make India a nation before the British unification of India.

 

[Yeti]

My son is probably older than you, kid. You should go back to do your homework. As for Aryan invasion, only the Indian revisionist would deny its existence. Many people in India is rewriting history to make India a nation before the British unification of India.

You sound proper retarded even western historians like Michael Wood who did the Story of India on BBC said it is just a theory but your saying it is historical fact LMAO

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

By splitting their forces into different directions, that's what the US hopes to achive by getting closer to India. Creating additional threats for China, while focusing own assets is definitely playing out for them.
Yes, but mainly by their own strategic capabilities, with limited long range transport and force projection capability. That will chance only with Y20 and carriers in future.

No nation is stupid enought to provoke other nation, to get attention and have more enemy soldier at their door, Indians strategists are not stupid unless they think otherwise. U.S indeed make a good move all depend on India if it want to take the bait.

 

[Sashan]

Indians are grateful to the British for creating their country.



Most people are using google translate to troll others.

Similar to how Chinese are grateful to Manchus for invading and creating their modern China and ruling them for more than 300 years, right???

 

[Enemy]

First of all, Aryan invasion of India is a historical fact. Do you deny them by comparing the legitimate historians as Nazis.

You can read my posts in this thread.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...-early-medieval-south-asia-9.html#post4370046

 

[Enemy]

umm no its not the so called Aryan invasion or migration has been debunked its a theory not a historical fact lol

what school did u go son?

What is the historical fact?

 

[faithfulguy]

Similar to how Chinese are grateful to Manchus for invading and creating their modern China and ruling them for more than 300 years, right???

Machu is a Chinese ethnic group. Their homeland is in China.

 

[Sashan]

Machu is a Chinese ethnic group. Their homeland is in China.

That is a nice piece of twist to the history you are giving while you claim North Indians in India as invaders. Very convenient - don't you think so?

 

[jhungary]

Without China, Australia would have never witnessed such economic growth during these three last decades. Australia is exporting most of its natural resources to China. So destroying China and preventing its growth would mean the destruction of Australia itself. There is a place for any country in this world just like there is a place for anybody in this world. One cannot prevent somebody to succeed beacuse he is jealous of him or because he is yellow skin. The sun shines for anybody or for any country. With hard work any country or any induividual can succeed. It is not because one is jealous or is a racist that he can prevent the success of another person. This also applies for a country. Australia should know where lies its core interests, unfortunately for the white Australian racists, it is not with the US war criminals but with China that lies the success or collapse of Australia.

First of all, do you know what is 3 decade?? That's 30 years...

That mean you are saying the Australian growth from 1983-2013 is because of the investment/export in China??

Then can you please tell me why every creditable economic textbook in Australia stated the Austral-Chinese relation does not start before the year 2000?? Including the one I been reading for my Business Course??

And can you please explain this sentence from Australian Embassy in China for me??

In the past ten years, China has risen from our 10th-largest export market for elaborately transformed manufactures (valued at A$642 million in 2000) to our third-largest (valued at A$1.8 billion in 2009).

Trade and Investment - Australian Embassy, China

If I made this out correctly, China is the 10th Export market in the year 2000, and in year 2009, it's still only the 3rd largest

so, can I ask where is the China is responsible for the economic growth in the last 30 years in Australia??

Plus, since 2007, our economy is going down hill, I remember that because that was the year Kevin Rudd got elected. Economy have been bad since. So, at best, if you have to count, China only responsible for 7 years of Australian Economic growth, if any.

So please tell me out of that article where did you feel the need to bring up yellow skin and white australian racists?

Hypocritical racism ftw.

lol, he just ranting and his word are based on nothing, China wasn't even open in the year 1983, but somehow he said they are the reason we are having economic growth because of it.......

Amazing to see people keep saying any part of the world refuse/rejected by the Chinese market mean doom. People refuse to see one fact that's,
A. they do not live in Australia,
B. Chinese market is big, probably do not share their market is dumb, but sure will not spell doom.

Infact, this article said it all

http://www.shareswatch.com.au/blog/stockmarket/when-the-chinese-economy-slows-australias-may-tumble/

and the sign is near

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ina-downturn-imf/story-e6frg926-1226435169791

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...e-chinas-economy/story-e6frg926-1226130062355

 

[faithfulguy]

First of all, do you know what is 3 decade?? That's 30 years...

That mean you are saying the Australian growth from 1983-2013 is because of the investment/export in China??

Then can you please tell me why every creditable economic textbook in Australia stated the Austral-Chinese relation does not start before the year 2000?? Including the one I been reading for my Business Course??

And can you please explain this sentence from Australian Embassy in China for me??



Trade and Investment - Australian Embassy, China

If I made this out correctly, China is the 10th Export market in the year 2000, and in year 2009, it's still only the 3rd largest

so, can I ask where is the China is responsible for the economic growth in the last 30 years in Australia??

Plus, since 2007, our economy is going down hill, I remember that because that was the year Kevin Rudd got elected. Economy have been bad since. So, at best, if you have to count, China only responsible for 7 years of Australian Economic growth, if any.



lol, he just ranting and his word are based on nothing, China wasn't even open in the year 1983, but somehow he said they are the reason we are having economic growth because of it.......

Yes, China in the past 30 years has not being the dominate trade partner of Australia. but the likelihood of China being the most important trade partner for Australia is very high. China is definitely America's most important trade partner now.

 

[jhungary]

Yes, China in the past 30 years has not being the dominate trade partner of Australia. but the likelihood of China being the most important trade partner for Australia is very high. China is definitely America's most important trade partner now.

What you don't understand is, China probably will enter the downturn as the global recession, the world buy less, which hurt Chinese export. It's already happening as we speak. (Which is what the 2 articles from the Australian I quote is blabbing about.

What you are saying is China have unlimited resource and unlimited money to pop up any market in the world, which most likely will not happen. I don't think there are any country in this world can do that too. Thinking you can do this is plainly naïve

The problem with being the biggest trading partner is, when that partner starting to roll downhill, you go with him. That's the first article of the sharewatch is about, that is for Australian to find another trading Partner or Partners, and pronto.

 

[sancho]

No nation is stupid enought to provoke other nation, to get attention

Actually, your country is doing exactly that! Be it alongside our borders, in the South Chinese Sea with several neighboring countries, or even with Japanes and Russian Islands. So if you think that's stupid, I can only agree with you, because China could have done way better to reduce US power in Asia and that without military.
In Africa for example you have gained way more, by using your financial and economical strenght, to get countries to your side and not by threatening them. But sadly you didn't followed similar peaceful and wise policies with many of your neighbors and that is the real problem, that the US now only use to their benefit, be it politically, or wrt defence strategies.

The rest is plain logic:

- China is dependend on supplies from the IOR, but there are only very few ways to get them to the east, which are geographically under control of Australia and India
- China can't afford to fight Australian and Indian navy in the IOR, since at least 60% of USN is meant to operate in east Asia and the Pacific, which pose the bigger threat
- Creating the possibility of an US – Indo alliance (by the US, not India), makes China to split the land and air forces to their western borders too
- The more China threats it's neighbors, the easier for the US to find allies in the East (Philipines, Vietnam...)


So by some simple policy changes (more importance to India instead of Pakistan like in the past, improving Indian military to pose a threat to China, search for new allies in Asia instead of the older once in Europe, shifting their own forces), they gained a lot of advantages to counter China gaining more power in Asia. No matter if we like it or not, the US know how to play the game!

 

[faithfulguy]

What you don't understand is, China probably will enter the downturn as the global recession, the world buy less, which hurt Chinese export. It's already happening as we speak. (Which is what the 2 articles from the Australian I quote is blabbing about.

What you are saying is China have unlimited resource and unlimited money to pop up any market in the world, which most likely will not happen. I don't think there are any country in this world can do that too. Thinking you can do this is plainly naïve

The problem with being the biggest trading partner is, when that partner starting to roll downhill, you go with him. That's the first article of the sharewatch is about, that is for Australian to find another trading Partner or Partners, and pronto.

That depends on what you mean by a downturn. If China's GDP is going to average 7% the next 10 year. It would be a down turn for China. But its still a healthy growth rate. In any case, there are no real alternatives for Australia now. A trade partner with the manufacturing capability and market size of China do not grow on trees. Of course US is comparable but US market is no longer growing. China's growth now is internal and China and US are the twin pillar of the world economy that Australia is not able to find any where else in this planet.