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India and Pakistan are united by language and history, divided by commerce
By Karin Brulliard
LAHORE, Pakistan - In India, where it is made, Fair and Handsome men's skin lightening cream sells for $1.25 a tube.

But by the time it hits the shelf at Sajid Khan's shop in this city's old marketplace, it has traversed 2,000 miles of sea and land, been smuggled over the Hindu Kush and marked up 25 percent.

Pakistan and India share language, culture, history and an 1,800-mile border; they are South Asia's largest economies. What they barely share is trade - officially at least, because of a quasi-blockade that dates from partition in 1947, and all but chokes off commerce under a dizzying web of rules.

The hurdles have spurred off-the-books trade, much of it shipped through third parties in such places as Dubai, where products are re-labeled as imports from other lands - journeys that result in 40-to-70-percent markups. Only recently did Pakistan make its first export to India by truck: a load of gypsum rock.

But economists, business groups and U.S. officials are pushing to loosen at least the most maddening restrictions, and they are hopeful that the two nations' decision two weeks ago to resume peace talks might help. Free trade, they say, would benefit both India and Pakistan and might help to ease tensions whose gravity is reflected in rival nuclear arsenals.

"Economics 101 dictates that countries' major trading partners should be their neighbors," said Shuja Nawaz, director of the South Asia Center at the Washington-based Atlantic Council. "To change the dialogue from a zero-sum game to a positive, win-win outcome for both India and Pakistan, you need to start with the low-hanging fruit of opening trade and tourism."

For a Pakistani economy in tatters, experts say, a freer flow of goods from India would allow cheaper access to products and raw materials, and could open up India, with its enormous population, to exports of Pakistan products such as cement.

Some research indicates that bilateral trade - currently at about $2 billion a year, less than 1 percent of each country's total trade - could swell 20 to 50 times under more liberal policies. Estimates of illicit trade range from $2 billion to $10 billion a year.

But for now, progress creeps. India admits all Pakistani products, but Pakistani firms complain that stringent standards and paperwork make many exports unviable. Pakistan, for its part, allows a slowly expanding list of Indian products that now includes artificial kidneys, camphor, parachutes and 1,931 other items - but not Fair and Handsome cream, which is instead legally exported from Kolkata to landlocked Afghanistan, via the Pakistani port of Karachi, then smuggled back into Pakistan.

Travel restrictions are another barrier. Businessmen in both countries say they wait months for visas that allow travel only within major cities in the other country - preventing visits to rural factories or farms - where they are often tailed by intelligence agents.

Then there is the logistic muddle of land trade at the one border crossing, midway between Lahore and the Indian city of Amritsar. The twice daily cargo train involves an engine switch: A train carrying Pakistani exports, for example, can enter mere miles into India, at which point the Pakistani engine and conductors are replaced by an Indian ones before continuing inland. With so few trains, exporters wait months for cargo space.

Trucks have only eight hours each day to cross, because each afternoon the two-lane road is overtaken by Indian and Pakistani border guards' theatrical gate-closing ceremony. Even then, trucks must stop just past the frontier, where porters transfer the goods to local trucks. That is an advancement: Before 2007, trucks were barred from crossing at all, and laborers lugged all cargo across the boundary on their heads.

That same month, spiraling onion prices prompted India to drop import tariffs and standards for the staple, triggering a surge in Pakistani onion exports. But Pakistan abruptly halted overland sales amid concerns about a domestic shortage.

"I had 400 trucks stuck on the other side," said Rajdeep Uppal, a trader who is vice president of the Amritsar Exporters Council. "For a week these onions were standing there, and eventually they had to be sold within Pakistan for half the price. Who loses? Both the countries."

Tensions aside, scenes of goodwill abound along the border. Pakistani and Indian train conductors sip tea and gripe about red tape together. Satanam Singh, a turbaned Indian driver - wearing a regulation yellow vest stamped "Indian Driver" - beamed as laborers unloaded his ginger on the Pakistani side. Coming to Pakistan, he gushed, was delightful compared with Mumbai, where the language is different and people hostile.

"It is a strange feeling, like I am going to a strange land," said a smiling Mohammed Zafar, a Pakistani whose vibrantly painted truck, brimming with dates, was about to make its virgin voyage across the Indian frontier. "I am very happy."

Here in Lahore, just 20 miles from the Indian border, Khan's shop was the pioneer in a winding lane of stores now crammed with Indian silk and cosmetics - all smuggled into Pakistan illegally.

He said he would welcome friendlier business relations, even if they lessened the luxury value of his stock. Even his Afghan smuggler, who stopped by on a recent evening, agreed, on grounds that it would lessen the need to bribe border officials.

Among some merchants, skepticism about trade prospects remains, with Pakistanis fearing that open trade would lead to a glut of cheap Indian imports. S.M. Akhter, a top Indian customs official at the border, said national security concerns must trump market demands.

But despite the tangle of rules, some trade is quietly rising. Tahir Habib Cheema, the top Pakistani customs official at the border, said he realized last year that truck exports from Pakistan were allowed, but that "status quo" and "fear" had prevented them. He decided to change that - without notifying his bosses.

A comedy of errors ensued. By Oct. 7, Cheema had found one willing exporter and one importer. After hiccups on each side, a meeting at the frontline was arranged.

All parties agreed, Cheema said - and then the truck would not start. Someone proposed pushing it into India, an idea that was nixed by border guards who said the pushers would need visas. Finally, another vehicle nudged the truck over the line.

"This was something for the national cause,'' Cheema said proudly. Since then, he added, Pakistani trucks have exported $2.5 million worth of products to India. He expects that to escalate this spring, when the two nations open a dedicated truck passage.

Correspondent Rama Lakshmi contributed to this article from New Delhi.
 
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More bilateral trade with Pakistan would be a nice thing to have since it would increase mutual trust and make both our economies more dependent on each other, hence making the prospect of war an even more uninviting prospect to either governments. But India can live without it.
 
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More bilateral trade with Pakistan would be a nice thing to have since it would increase mutual trust and make both our economies more dependent on each other, hence making the prospect of war an even more uninviting prospect to either governments. But India can live without it.

Yes, make money on both sides. Win-win situation..

This thread will be destroyed soon, bye..
 
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Rama Lakshmi, another indian obsessed about Pakistan. India and Pakistan are united by nothing. Pakistanis have nothing in common with marathi, gujarati, telugi, tamil speaking indians or whatever ethnic groups make the majority in india. The only people in india we have some similarities with are people of indian punjab (khalistan) and people of india occupied kashmir, and these people are a small minority in india, combined they just make 4-5% of india's population. Just because the British put us together in their "British India" empire does not mean we are the same. British India empire is dead and will never return back. Pakistan is a reality.

As for indian products, Pakistan can live without them. Pakistan has everything what India has and please keep indian products like these in india, we Pakistanis dont want it:

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The man endorsing this product is still darker than ever so you know it doesn't work :lol:

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Having things in common with a country is no compelling reason to have friendly relations with that country. If we have to worry about having friendly relations with any country in the world, let's worry about China. When it comes to international relations and business, Pakistan doesn't matter, China does.

We have far many things in common with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc.
 
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Rama Lakshmi, another indian obsessed about Pakistan. India and Pakistan are united by nothing. Pakistanis have nothing in common with marathi, gujarati, telugi, tamil speaking indians or whatever ethnic groups make the majority in india. The only people in india we have some similarities with are people of indian punjab (khalistan) and people of india occupied kashmir, and these people are a small minority in india, combined they just make 4-5% of india's population. Just because the British put us together in their "British India" empire does not mean we are the same. British India empire is dead and will never return back. Pakistan is a reality.

As for indian products, Pakistan can live without them. Pakistan has everything what India has and please keep indian products like these in india, we Pakistanis dont want it:

That's funny, if you don't want it then why are going to the trouble of exporting it to Afghanistan via Karachi and then smuggling it back into Pakistan?

Now tell me that the article is garbage. :coffee:
 
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As for indian products, Pakistan can live without them. Pakistan has everything what India has and please keep indian products like these in india, we Pakistanis dont want it:

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The man endorsing this product is still darker than ever so you know it doesn't work :lol:

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You know Shahrookh Khan is a Pashtoon right?
 
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That's funny, if you don't want it then why are going to the trouble of exporting it to Afghanistan via Karachi and then smuggling it back into Pakistan?

Now tell me that the article is garbage. :coffee:

It is probably garbage because its written by an indian named Rama Lakshmi.

Show a Pakistani article that says we use that ridiculous indian product in Pakistan.
 
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It is probably garbage because its written by an indian named Rama Lakshmi.

Show a Pakistani article that says we use that ridiculous indian product in Pakistan.

What did I tell you? And as if Pakistani's would admit to using it, what with all their racial supremacy ideologies and all.
 
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Yes just checked out this website. Its all women's products.

We dont have any products like this in Pakistan:

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This is purely indian and we dont want this sh!t.

Again a predictable reply. Your original claim was that no Pakistanis used this product. Now you're going to try tell us that you were only referring to Pakistani men. :coffee:
 
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