India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[Great Sachin]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157155739250311

 

[AMCA]

So why do you think China is opposing Indian position in NSG? Turks are pro-Pakistan, now what is making China and even Russia go against India?

It's plain logic. Though they by now know that India's entry is imminent, they want to create an environment favourable to Pakistan by delaying until a loophole is found. Russia is never against India for your kind information.

 

[indushek]

Similar expressions were given before nuclear waiver received, its just a matter of time.

@irfan Balcoh: Really i mean u of all saying justice served? when did this world play fair?

Everybody knows stalling can work only for some time

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The only concession you will get after India getting support of all the other members is to let China back out of its stand gracefully and not to be seen as gave in under the pressure of isolation,or become alone.

Wow, thanks for letting us back out of our stand gracefully, instead of looking like we gave in under the pressure of isolation.

That was really kind of you to do that.

 

[dadeechi]

this makes sense
I mean a country that was the cause of making this organisation to prevent unlawful use of nuclear material for military use. refuses to sign NPT .. wants to be part of the exclusive club through force and intimidation just because America needs it against China. for once the justice prevailed and best part is that it was not just China that opposed its induction but other countries too.

All the minutes of the meetings of NSG are strictly confidential. NSG only releases a prepared public statement after NSG plenary meeting. All this talk of how many countries opposed India's application is just propaganda. All we know is that except China no country has publically raised any objections.


PLENARY MEETING OF THE NUCLEAR SUPPLIERS GROUP

SEOUL, REPUBLIC OF KOREA, 23–24 JUNE 2016

The twenty-sixth Plenary Meeting of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), chaired by Ambassador Song Young-wan of the Republic of Korea, was held in Seoul, Korea, on 23 and 24 June 2016.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Korea, H.E. Yun Byung-se, welcomed the Participating Governments on behalf of the Korean Government, reaffirmed his country’s strong support for NSG activities and noted the significant contribution of the NSG to global efforts to counter ever evolving nuclear threats, thus substantially reinforcing the spirit and purposes of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The Foreign Minister also highlighted the importance of the thorough implementation of UNSCR 2270(2016) for the resolution of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) nuclear issue and asked the NSG to continue its efforts to cut off the DPRK’s access to its nuclear program’s supply chain.

Within the framework of the NSG’s mandate, the Group expressed its concerns regarding continued global proliferation activities and reaffirmed its determination to continue to cooperate closely in order to deter, hinder and prevent the transfer of controlled items or technology that could contribute to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. Participating Governments reiterated their firm support for the full, complete and effective implementation of the NPT as thecornerstone of the international non-proliferation regime.

Deploring the nuclear test conducted on 6 January 2016 by the DPRK, the Participating Governments reconfirmed their commitment to UNSCRs 1718 (2006), 1874 (2009), 2087 (2013), 2094 (2013) and 2270 (2016) which strongly condemned the DPRK’s challenge to the nuclear non-proliferation regime and underlined that export of all controlled items within the NSG to the DPRK is prohibited according to the abovementioned resolutions.

The NSG welcomed the announcement on 16 January 2016 of the Implementation Day of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). Following up on the Extraordinary Plenary held on 21 January and 26 April this year, the NSG expressed interest in continuing to be briefed by the Procurement Working Group coordinator on the procurement channel established under the JCPOA and UNSCR 2231 (2015) as appropriate. The NSG agreed to keep this under active consideration.

Participating Governments called upon all States to exercise vigilance and to ensure effective implementation of all UNSCRsrelevant to the work and purposes of the NSG.

The NSG had discussions on the issue of “Technical, Legal and Political Aspects of the Participation of non-NPT States in the NSG” and decided to continue its discussion.

At the Plenary meeting, the NSG also

• maintained its focus on technical issues important to the implementation of the Control Lists by exchanging views and agreeing on a number of proposals to clarify and update the NSG Control Lists and Guidelines;

• discussed and reaffirmed

• the importance of balancing confidentiality withtransparency in NSG activities; and

• the significance of updating the NSG Guidelines to keep pace with the evolving global security landscape and a fast-paced nuclear and nuclear-related industry.

Outreach

• welcomed the growing number of States that have harmonized their national export control systems with the NSG Guidelines and Control lists;

• discussed options for enhancing outreach such as

• dedicated briefings for and meetings with interested non-NSG partners on the work of the Group;

• increased visibility of the NSG at appropriate international meetings to improve public awareness about the work and mission of the Group; and

• a dedicated response to non-NSG partners seeking assistance and practical experience in developing, updating, strengthening and implementing national export control systems; and

• shared information on all aspects of the 2008 Statement on Civil Nuclear Cooperation with India and discussed the NSG relationship with India


http://www.thehindu.com/news/resources/public-statement-after-nsg-plenary-meeting/article8768692.ece

 

[Tamilnadu]

Wow, thanks for letting us back out of our stand gracefully, instead of looking like we gave in under the pressure of isolation.

That was really kind of you to do that.

US played it very well,they made sure everyone else supported or atleast did not have problem with India joining,apart from china,china was forced to come in the open to block Indian entry.Unlike all these years we will work with India and has no problem with Indian rise...now what you played your cards,much before this NsG vote,Govt of India has made a statement where the minister said we will be hopefully in the group by dec 2016,so we know what was coming and we know where we are heading.
Thats the reason you see now other countries in NSG working to bring India to NSG by year end..it exactly went as per US script,with out any issues they showed the real china to India...and china did all this for what ,even the chinese dint know.

 

[grey boy 2]

Indians really got talents, the way they able to raise their "Feels Good Fantasy" to the highest level is unbelievable
Twisting a complete NSG bid "FAILURE" to a so-called "BIG SUCCESS" is simply beyond imagination
Anyway; the same old words, all the best to my dear Indian friends NSG ride for years to come

 

[neem456]

Indians really got talents, the way they able to raise their "Feels Good Fantasy" to the highest level is unbelievable
Twisting a complete NSG bid "FAILURE" to a so-called "BIG SUCCESS" is simply beyond imagination
Anyway; the same old words, all the best to my dear Indian friends NSG ride for years to come

Its a setback, not a failure.

And the game US played in all this is beyond the reach of chinese administration. They successfully unveiled the chinese face. All these year of rhetoric of china of supporting peaceful rise of india was kicked boxed by US successfully without even uttering a word directly to china.
China willingly walked into the trap of USA, and to their whim postured against india so openly.
All USA wanted to see china and india posturing against each other and they were successful.

 

[Great Sachin]

Indians really got talents, the way they able to raise their "Feels Good Fantasy" to the highest level is unbelievable
Twisting a complete NSG bid "FAILURE" to a so-called "BIG SUCCESS" is simply beyond imagination
Anyway; the same old words, all the best to my dear Indian friends NSG ride for years to come

FYI...India already has all the privileges of NSG....more than 40 country supported India....we don't take it as failure...we will try again...

 

[Finer]

Arrogant has killed India big time. India cannot enter without Pakistan. India has to accept Pakistan is here to stay, and should support it.

 

[Tiqiu]

Oh no, Indians "REVENGE" in full force, its shocking man
But wait, can you kindly provide your "SOURCE" please

Sounds very scary man. Many Indian traders at Chinese YIWU small goods market will lose some cigarette lighter business from India
http://www.infodriveindia.com/india-import-data/cigarette-import-data.aspx

 

[rcrmj]

FYI...India already has all the privileges of NSG....more than 40 country supported India....we don't take it as failure...we will try again...

you have just proved Grey Boy 2 is right about you lot vividly`
``````indians

 

[Great Sachin]

you have just proved Grey Boy 2 is right about you lot vividly`
``````indians

chinese ...superiority complex

 

[zebra7]

this makes sense
I mean a country that was the cause of making this organisation to prevent unlawful use of nuclear material for military use. refuses to sign NPT .. wants to be part of the exclusive club through force and intimidation just because America needs it against China. for once the justice prevailed and best part is that it was not just China that opposed its induction but other countries too.

Small change Sir Jee -- Indian reluctance for not signing NPT because India don't feel it is not fair and is flawed, because it allow only 5 nations to be recognised as Nuclear Power What is even funnier and important to note that this treaty was formalized in 1968. Any state which was reported to have done detonation before that were recognized as nuclear-weapon state.. We are not ready to sign NPT in its present form because we feel either all countries including the 5 Nuclear power state should be denuclearized, or give the equal right to develop nuclear tech for peaceful purpose.

But Pakistani argument is -- Because India haven't sign it otherwise it is ready to sign. LOLZ

Now for the NSG -- If America needs India against China, therefore India is blackmailing USA for the NSG membership, then India already have the weiver it needed. First, most of the countries are supporting India. Second this is not the end of the Indian NSG entry, rather in DEC in next meat, the decission for the entry of the NPT non signatory would be discussed.

Looking at the excitement of the Pakistani members in PDF and may be in the general public, I pity on them because opposing Indian entry, they are actually creating problem for their own entry. If India would gets entry in NSG, then their own case of entry in this club would be much stronger, and won't need to sign NPT. However to have to work for their merit indivisually.

And what is forcefully is the demand of the China, to include Pakistan with India, that means, Pakistan would need only the approval of China alone, and not all 48 members.

 

[thesolar65]

At the NSG plenary, China behaved not as an enlightened power but as a strategic small-timer

What happened at the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) plenary in Seoul? Much misinformation (even disinformation) is floating around New Delhi and for three reasons. First, the issues are complex and require context, which many may not have. Second, the political opposition to BJP is understandably using the occasion to target the Narendra Modi government and making partial assessments. Third, the Chinese propaganda mechanism has turned much more sophisticated in an intelligent and selective briefing of Indian media. This presents a challenge for India, but that is getting ahead of the story.

The thread begins in 2008, with India winning the waiver from the NSG to undertake nuclear commerce despite being a nuclear power outside the ambit of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). The next logical step was for India to apply for membership to four high-tech export-control regimes: the NSG, the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), the Wassenaar Arrangement (conventional arms, dual-use tech) and the Australia Group (chemical-biological weapons).


Illustration by Uday Deb

Of these the NSG was a priority. The Group works on consensus. It had given India a waiver in 2008 but could in theory revoke the waiver or change its terms. If India was in the Group it could veto any change that would harm India, Teflon-coat the 2008 waiver and additionally contribute to the global nuclear regime. In 2010, President Barack Obama visited and promised support for Indian entry to the NSG and the other treaties.

Astonishingly, the UPA government did not apply. It made a noise, but nothing more. Its nuclear liability law, which had problems that were eventually sorted out by the Modi government in 2015, may have deterred it. The liability law had made the 2008 waiver infructuous and nuclear commerce with India near impossible.

India applied to the MTCR in 2015. After a setback it got in, on the second attempt, in 2016. In May 2016, it applied for NSG membership for the first time. By June most of the countries (about 40 of 48) were willing to take it in straightaway, no questions asked. This was a significant diplomatic achievement over two months.

Why did India apply now? A sympathetic American president is ending his term. His successor may be preoccupied at the time of the next NSG plenary in 2017. In 2018, India will be in election mode and the Modi government may have less leverage. As such, it was 2016 – or it was a kick down the road.

In Seoul the NSG delegates met on June 23. China insisted India’s application would not be discussed. Late in the day it agreed to the application being included in the agenda on the condition that no decision on the application would be taken in the 2016 NSG plenary. At this stage, the Indian delegation in Seoul knew immediate success was not possible. Barring a miracle that got the Chinese to change their minds, India would have to come away from Seoul with an “application filed”, not an “application approved”.

From then on, all discussion in Seoul was theoretical. Every country knew a decision on India was not happening this time. As the conversation continued, the Group broke into four:

• China opposed India full stop. It said India could join only if it signed the NPT
• About 40 countries said admit India at once
• Brazil, Mexico and Switzerland wanted two parallel announcements: India’s entry and a criteria for membership, which would mirror India’s nuclear record. It was understood no other country at present met those possible criteria
• New Zealand and Ireland wanted the criteria for membership to come first and then an announcement that India was meeting those criteria. They too understood no other country at present met those possible criteria.

South Africa oscillated between positions three and four. Turkey remained neutral. Nobody other than China said it didn’t want India or opposed India. Nobody, not even China, brought up Pakistan. It was recognised that since China had vetoed a decision on the Indian application this had become a normal diplomatic confab, not a decisive discussion.

The word “criteria” has been used more than once. What was the nub of “criteria”? It was not that an applicant should necessarily be a signatory to the NPT. It was that an applicant must adhere and commit to the spirit of the NPT. The 2008 NSG waiver explicitly stated India was part of the “widest possible implementation of the provisions and objectives” of the NPT. As such, 47 of 48 countries were fine with India not signing the NPT and validated India, with its impeccable non-proliferation history, as being NPT compatible.

What next? The application is before the NSG. There is a renewed effort to have a special plenary decide on it in 2016 itself. That may or may not happen, but the NSG cannot defer the decision indefinitely. More critically, China has shown its hand. Unlike 2008 much of the diplomatic legwork was done by India, and not the US. In any case the US has less influence on China than it did eight years ago.

It’s down to a shootout between New Delhi and Beijing. China is behaving not as an enlightened power but as a strategic small-timer, with the petty, perfidious and short-termist mindset of a Pyongyang dictator or a Rawalpindi general. India is honour-bound to send it a tough message. There is no option.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...ghtened-power-but-as-a-strategic-small-timer/