India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[grey boy 2]

A blog? YAWN

 

[Tea addict]

 

[CHD]

COMMENT (3) · PRINT · T T
diplomacy[/paste:font]
India-China
international relations
Says ‘nationalists’ in India are yet to develop a mindset befitting the citizenry of a ‘major power’

At least 10 countries opposed India’s bid to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), an editorial in China’s state-run "Global Times" on Tuesday said. It rejected accusations in India that Beijing was solely responsible for quashing New Delhi’s bid to join the 48-member nuclear club.

“The NSG had a plenary meeting in Seoul last week, and all members participated in a special conference on Thursday evening about the accession of non-participants of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) into the NSG. At least 10 countries, including China, opposed their bid,” said the edit.

The daily stressed that lack of India’s membership of the NPT — the cornerstone of NSG membership — was the chief obstacle in New Delhi’s path to becoming a member of the nuclear club.

“Since its foundation in 1975, all NSG members shall be NPT signatories. This has become the primary principle of the organisation. Now India wants to be the first exception to join the NSG without signing the NPT. It is morally legitimate for China and other members to upset India's proposal in defense of principles,” it said.

The write-up attributed mainstream India’s sharp reaction to the rejection of New Delhi’s membership application in Seoul to the sustained “adulation” of India by the western powers. It said, “Recent years have seen the Western world giving too many thumbs up to India, but thumbs down to China. India is spoiled. Although the South Asian country's GDP accounts for only 20 per cent of that of China, it is still a golden boy in the eyes of the West, having a competitive edge and more potential compared to China. The international ‘adulation’ of India makes the country a bit smug in international affairs.”

‘The U.S. is not the whole world’

It observed that India had “ignored” that the United States, which has supported New Delhi NSG bid, was not in a position to commandeer the global agenda. “[The] U.S. backing adds the biggest impetus to India's ambition. By cozying up to India, Washington's India policy actually serves the purpose of containing China.”

Highlighting the limitations of Washington’s powers, the daily said: “The U.S. is not the whole world. Its endorsement does not mean India has won the backing of the world. This basic fact, however, has been ignored by India”.

The editorial made two additional points. First it stressed that “nationalists” in India were yet to develop a mindset befitting the citizenry of a “major power.”

“Some Indians are too self-centred and self-righteous. On the contrary, the Indian government behaves decently and is willing to communicate. Throwing a tantrum won't be an option for New Delhi. India's nationalists should learn how to behave themselves. Now that they wish their country could be a major power, they should know how major powers play their games,” it said.

Second, the write-up contrasted the response by a section of people in India to the popular reaction in China, to Beijing’s inability to become a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime. “On Monday, the Missile Technology Control Regime absorbed India as a new member, and denied China's access. The news didn't even make a ripple among the Chinese public. The Chinese have become more mature in dealing with these setbacks caused by international relations.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...ays-global-times-editorial/article8783383.ece

 

[Akasa]

Haven't read too much into the issue, but as I understand it, the principle upon which at least three of the listed nations (China, New Zealand, South Africa) opposed India's entry was that it was not a NPT or CTBT member. Granted, the underlying intentions likely run deeper and along the lines of India's pro-US stance (especially with Modi's government) and a tit-for-tat for Beijing's rejection from the MTCR.

 

[kasper95]

in the whole op I saw only China , did they feel 0 has no value and put that after 1.

 

[chanikya]

Its just for internal consumption or in other words for its internal audience

 

[kasper95]

Haven't read too much into the issue, but as I understand it, the principle upon which at least three of the listed nations (China, New Zealand, South Africa) opposed India's entry was that it was not a NPT or CTBT member. Granted, the underlying intentions likely run deeper and along the lines of India's pro-US stance (especially with Modi's government) and a tit-for-tat for Beijing's rejection from the MTCR.

India was not pro US, if India becomes pro US its chinas mistake.China has been helping Pakistan with NW and missile tech.I am sure you won't treat us as friends if we did the same with China by helping Vietnam to get NW and missile tech.

 

[Dungeness]

In stunning contrast to Indian members' reaction to failed big for NSG membership, the rejection of China's bid for MTCR membership did not even raise eyebrow for Chinese members on PDF. There are two sets of national psychology at display.

What's the big deal? In PRC's 67 years existence, we have been through all kinds of sanctions, embargoes, export restrictions, so we are used to it. If we can't buy them, we make them! Just look where China and India stand in the world today.

Here is a list of what China has accomplished in the month of June, 2016

- The fastest supercomputer (Sunway-TaihuLight) and second fastest supercomputer (Tianhe-2);
- CZ-7 "green" rocket successful debut launch with 7 payloads weighting 12T;
- ARJ21 enter into commercial flight service;
- Y-20 enter into active military service;
- Heavy-ion medical accelerator ready for clinical trials,
- new highways, expressways, tunnels, HSR lines, metro lines,
- Gaofen-4, GEO spy satellite with highest resolution officially enter into active service;
- Midea Offers to Buy Kuka AG;
- AIIB has made its first loans;
- first embedded neural network processing unit;
- 4G users exceed 500 million;
- one of the biggest heavy-lift ship,
- Aperture Spherical Telescope "FAST" almost complete,
- World's biggest 70-ton vibration-simulation table,
- Chinese scientists find the existence of the Majorana fermion particle, the first in the world;
- Announcement of the world's fist Cold Atomic Clock to be placed in space in coming month,
........

The Tortoise is not going anywhere by whining, because the Hare doesn't even blink. @ahojunk

 

[ito]

In stunning contrast to Indian members' reaction to failed big for NSG membership, the rejection of China's bid for MTCR membership did not even raise eyebrow for Chinese members on PDF. There are two sets of national psychology at display.

What's the big deal? In PRC's 67 years existence, we have been through all kinds of sanctions, embargoes, export restrictions, so we are used to it. If we can't buy them, we make them! Just look where China and India stand in the world today.

Here is a list of what China has accomplished in the month of June, 2016

- The fastest supercomputer (Sunway-TaihuLight) and second fastest supercomputer (Tianhe-2);
- CZ-7 successful rocket debut launch with 7 payloads weighting 12T;
- ARJ21 enter into commercial flight service;
- Y-20 enter into active military service;
- Heavy-ion medical accelerator ready for clinical trials,
- new highways, expressways, tunnels, HSR lines, metro lines,
- Gaofen-4, GEO spy satellite with highest resolution officially enter into active service;
- Midea Offers to Buy Kuka AG;
- AIIB has made its first loans;
- first embedded neural network processing unit;
- 4G users exceed 500 million;
- one of the biggest heavy-lift ship,
- Aperture Spherical Telescope "FAST" almost complete,
- World's biggest 70-ton vibration-simulation table,
- Chinese scientists find the existence of the Majorana fermion particle, the first in the world;
- Announcement of the world's fist Cold Atomic Clock to be placed in space in coming month,
........

The Tortoise is not going anywhere by whining, because the Hare doesn't even blink.

You could not have written that 20 years ago. Can you?

Things change. In case of India things can change even faster. India has the manpower, industrial base, technology capability and ambition to catch up with China. I guess with India growing faster than China, the Tortoise and Hare story is not anymore apt.

 

[Srinivas]

China's mouth piece, the fact that 47 countries are in favor of India's membership itself is a good scenario for India to proceed further to the membership.

 

[Dungeness]

You could not have written that 20 years ago. Can you?

Things change. In case of India things can change even faster. India has the manpower, industrial base, technology capability and ambition to catch up with China. I guess with India growing faster than China, the Tortoise and Hare story is not anymore apt.

True, but what counts is the national psychology. Being a darling of both camps in the past, and the counterweight to China today, India has long been spoiled.

 

[ito]

True, but what counts is the national psychology. Being a darling of both camps in the past, and the counterweight to China today, India has long been spoiled.

There is no denying that one of reasons why west courts India today is Chinese factor, but there are more important reasons: growing economy, a billion plus market place, source of skilled manpower, stable democratic institutions and convergence of strategic interests. People conveniently forget these more important factors and only focus on Chinese factor.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You could not have written that 20 years ago. Can you?

Things change. In case of India things can change even faster. India has the manpower, industrial base, technology capability and ambition to catch up with China. I guess with India growing faster than China, the Tortoise and Hare story is not anymore apt.

A very bold move of Chinese media to even mention the MCTR part.

Considering the Chinese media had blacked out on India's NSG waiver's consequences to China and also Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying blunder statement on India's NSG membership would not be discussed in Seoul meet.

I guess in this day a news so big can find its was to Chinese citizens no matter how much China tries to control.

 

[ito]

A very bold move of Chinese media to even mention the MCTR part.

Considering the Chinese media had blacked out on India's NSG waiver's consequences to China and also Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying blunder statement on India's NSG membership would not be discussed in Seoul meet.

I guess in this day a news so big can find its was to Chinese citizens no matter how much China tries to control.

I guess this is just the start. I expect more skirmishes between India and China as India's economy grows. NSG for India is not about technology that it already gets from 2008 waiver, it is about its ambitions to be a player at international space. That is why China was so vocal about India's inclusion. Now India will oppose Chinese inclusion into MCTR.

 

[Dungeness]

There is no denying that one of reasons why west courts India today is Chinese factor, but there are more important reasons: growing economy, a billion plus market place, source of skilled manpower, stable democratic institutions and convergence of strategic interests. People conveniently forget these more important factors and only focus on Chinese factor.

What I was referring to is not about market and economy. It is about the sprite that China has her biggest advantage over India, thanks in part to Mao's brutal revolution that completely transformed Chinese society.

I guess this is just the start. I expect more skirmishes between India and China as India's economy grows. NSG for India is not about technology that it already gets from 2008 waiver, it is about its ambitions to be a player at international space. That is why China was so vocal about India's inclusion. Now India will oppose Chinese inclusion into MCTR.

You will never see the furious emotion outburst that we just witnessed in the last few days from Chinese.