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[Mav3rick]

After reading the article I am surprised that the crucial, almost puppet master like role of the US was ignored. When you look at the whole situation objectively, it appears the the US pushed India to try getting into NSG rather then the other way around.

 

[Director General]

Senator Markey has been a complete failure.
He opposed the India-US Nucear deal but failed miserably as majority of Congress cleared the deal.
In 2010 he also opposed sale of AH-64E to India and once again he failed as vast majority of Congress refused to back him in blocking the deal.
Then he also wanted US to block sale of certain componets used by India in aircrafts and satellites but DoD paid no attention to his requests.

 

[cerberus]

Did you get NSG or not?

I want results, I'm a results oriented person.

If China failed, why you guys all fuming at China?

Did it really matter NSG member ship is more of political seat for india than material since we get wavier from it long ago
Us backing let us into MTCR and other groups

There more elite group than NSG in this world
Such Australian group and wassenaar arrangement membership of which india will be part off

So in the End china power play is hollow victory in the end

 

[navtrek]

I thought there's a dedicated thread for NSG news and updates?
Anyway all the best to our Indian friends future NSG ride
It reminded me of a little wisdom: "If dreams were horses Beggars would ride" dream on my friends, its FREE

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

get lost copy paste machine..

Calm down, bro....Don't do this. Their propaganda will burst one day...

 

[Gibbs]

Good read, thanks the op for sharing
An strict forward no nonsense "Death certificate" for the Indians NSG bid failure

(1) Playing power politics in the big league is praiseworthy, but if you do not have enough firepower to play the game it can be suicidal.

(2) It is critical that Modi and his foreign policy team make an honest evaluation of the risks attached to enticing China to an open confrontation. India has already gone ahead in cooperating with the United States to militarily contain China
While Modi actively collaborates in the containment of China, at the same time, expecting China not to reciprocate in the same coin is not only amateurish, but also plain foolhardy.

(3)The failure at Seoul is not a big deal. However, Modi's misadventure to pit India against China will incur the country a huge cost.

While Indians calling for China's head will continued as expected.......
"Without China's support, India can never fulfill its dream of becoming a permanent member of the Security Council."

Dead on.. To the points.. Especially the 2nd one..

 

[Beidou2020]

Did it really matter NSG member ship is more of political seat for india than material since we get wavier from it long ago
Us backing let us into MTCR and other groups

There more elite group than NSG in this world
Such Australian group and wassenaar arrangement membership of which india will be part off

So in the End china power play is hollow victory in the end

if this is irrelevant then why is India so mad?

 

[cerberus]

if this is irrelevant then why is India so mad?

Only mad is chinese who falling in trap of india

India successfully made its concessions in gathering 40+ countries in its support
Against china

China playing lone wolf in this game its ramifications will have great impact

 

[Gibbs]

 

[neem456]

India's Hope For Nuke Club Entry Alive, NSG To Meet Again This Year: Sources
All India | Written by Nidhi Razdan | Updated: June 26, 2016 12:28 IST
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NEW DELHI:
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1. NSG to consider process to include non NPT states as members: Sources
2. US to push for India's membership by the end of this year, say sources
3. China remains a major hurdle to India's bid to join elite nuke club

India may have lost out to becoming a member of the elite Nuclear Suppliers Group during its plenary in Seoul this week, but its hopes of joining the group this year are still alive.

NDTV has learnt that despite China's strong opposition to India, the NSG has decided to meet again later this year to discuss the process for allowing non NPT signatories like India, into the group. Sources say the suggestion for another meeting came from Mexico and was opposed by China. But those objections were set aside.

Diplomats familiar with the developments say no date has been decided yet, but it's likely to take place towards the end of the year. The NSG has set up a panel for informal consultations on India's membership. This panel will be headed by Argentine Ambassador Rafael Grossi.

A senior US official had told PTI on Friday that there is "a path forward" for India to become full member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group by the end of the year, saying, "We are confident that we have got a path forward by the end of this year".

"It needs some work. But we are confident that India would be a full member of the (NSG) regime by the end of the year," the official told PTI on condition of anonymity.

India's attempts to become a member during the NSG's Seoul plenary failed this week as China effectively scuttled the bid, refusing to even discuss India's case specifically. Other countries like Switzerland and Brazil also raised issues regarding setting a common criteria for non-NPT states, along with discussing India's bid. While countries like Ireland and New Zealand wanted the criteria to be spelt out first.

The NSG's special meeting later this year gives India another window but China remains a challenge.

Beijing snubbed Prime Minister Modi's outreach and scuttled India's bid in Seoul. The Prime Minister had met China's President Xi Jinping in Tashkent earlier in the week, to push for India's case, but to no avail. A disappointed India attacked China in its official statement, saying "one country" had raised procedural hurdles repeatedly. India has a tough diplomatic task ahead with China to try and bring them on board.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-t...on-in-nuke-club-nsg-this-year-sources-1423518

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I do not think so...Rather It was obvious that China will stand by Pakistan..China and India relationship is just like more transactional relationship...So without getting anything in return, China will not accommodate India's interest.

Agreed....

 

[illusion8]

What ties???

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

you seem to be quite disturbed on the NSG issue.

Correction, He is quiet disturbed on the NSG waiver issue.
NSG membership probably assuages the torment.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Only mad is chinese who falling in trap of india

India successfully made its concessions in gathering 40+ countries in its support
Against china

China playing lone wolf in this game its ramifications will have great impact

thats what is not getting into those singing praises of china as they are watching short term gains but foreting long term effects for them as china is too strong to have any adverse effects buts its there interests which will bear the brunt with USA and all those who backed indias NSG bid

What ties???

chinese exports to india

 

[Dungeness]

There is no such thing as China Killer in India's delivery system. You cannot blame India for some nomenclature given by some media person.

Lots of Chinese know that Indians tagged Agni-III as "China Specific" missile, and Agni-V as "China Killer", and we witnessed how you guys celebrated the success of "China Killer“ right here on PDF. Chinese don't really care which Indian came up with those tags, Indian media or Indian government, they are all Indian. Who else they are supposed to blame on, Pakistanis?

You can tag your missile anything you want, but you reap what you sow, my friend.