India and Israel: a friendship deepened by prejudice

[nalandapride]

I can't understand why Muslims expect others to hate Jews. We simply can't hate Jews.

 

[KS]

Yeah, blame the victim. Now I can understand why you Indians glorify that "GENOCIDAL MANIAC" Narendra Modi. I guess the 3000+ Gujrati Muslims killed themselves just to give your hero Modi a bad name.

LOL what does NaMo have to do with Palestinians..And I agree with Mech after my interaction with them. They think as if they are he most righteous in the world and morally supreme in the whole world.

BTW it was not 3000, it was 790.

 

[MilSpec]

I for one am non -apologetic when it comes to changing our stance against Palestine. India should have deeper ties with Israel and should support Israel against Palestine. India's vote for Palestine was a big disappointment for me. Israel is a victim of terrorism just like India and every citizen of India for this reason sympathizes with Tel Aviv.

Shift in Indian stance to arab states is evident for their "oil money" support to spread extremism via ISI in India, hence why should India provide any support to arab states vis–à–vis Israel. Jews have had a long history of being persecuted by religious hatred which was also seen in foreign rule of the Indian subcontinent.

The Palestinian relations India had nurtured was for appeasement of muslim vote bank in India. Israel has proven to be the best outcome of an non-traditional foreign policy adopted by the India post 92, Israeli technology has complimented India in the most favorable way and India has been a valued customer for Israeli defense and technological sectors.

there is no hatred from Israel India or US towards any groups but HATRED towards India Israel and US is ushered throughout the radical idiots around the world. The antipathy towards Indians and Israelis is even evident on this forum with senior member posting garbage like "isreal, illegitimate child of US " along with adjectives drawn to Indians like "dogs" and "beggars" etc. It is easily evident that the hatred is ushered towards pro-western world by idiots who want back the dark ages of extremism.

 

[kas786]

I can't understand why Muslims expect others to hate Jews. We simply can't hate Jews.

I don't recall anyone saying that. Stop putting words in other people's mouth.

 

[MilSpec]

Yeah, blame the victim. Now I can understand why you Indians glorify that "GENOCIDAL MANIAC" Narendra Modi. I guess the 3000+ Gujrati Muslims killed themselves just to give your hero Modi a bad name.

sorry for OT,

so break down in law and order in gujrat is genocide? .. how many people killed in karachi ??

 

[Vinod2070]

Compare billions of dollars of wages from ME vs questionable weapons from Israel. One would think after getting hoodwinked by the Brits these guys would learn somethig.

As usual the so called Indians never miss a chance to eff it up. They have been choosing the wrong side for a thousand + years. Its like a cuel joke of destiny.

Looks like conversion does things to some people.

Like making them forget their own identity and history.

And assuming that of their invaders?

The Arabs treat you no better than slaves despite conversion. Don't claim to speak for them.

 

[nalandapride]

I don't recall anyone saying that. Stop putting words in other people's mouth.

I have talked to number of Pakistanis and all expected me to hate Jews with their so called conspiracy theories. I am not making any false claims.

 

[shuntmaster]

Actually the question should be.. why does the whole Muslim world of 1500million hate the Jews who are only 11million, of which only 6million are in Israel?
Of the Palestinians, 1.6million in Gaza strip and about 2.6million live in west bank. So the total affected Muslim population is about 4.2million of over 1500million worldwide.

 

[MilSpec]

Looks like conversion does things to some people.

Like making them forget their own identity and history.

And assuming that of their invaders?

The Arabs treat you no better than slaves despite conversion. Don't claim to speak for them.

vinod bhai ... post of the day... thanks

 

[shuntmaster]

Israel: The Most Disputed strip of Real Estate on Planet Earth!

In a Nutshell... Animation Showing Israel in Relation to the Arab/Muslim Countries.

Unlike Islam's Koran, which commands Muslims to force the entire planet to submit to literal control by Islam, the Jewish Torah promises the children of Israel a modest and reasonable allotment of land. Israel in RED , is a democratic nation 1/19th the size of California, surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil. How dare Arab propagandists call Israel "expansionist!" And how dare anyone believe them! How can Israel, which occupies one-sixth of one percent of the lands called Arab, be responsible for the political dissatisfaction of 22 Arab countries? How can the 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5 million fewer than they were in 1939!) be blamed for the problems of the 300 million Arabs, who have brotherly ties to 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide?
Israel is an oasis of Western Democracy and Judeo/Christian morality in the middle of an otherwise totalitarian Arab/Muslim Middle East. For over 55 years since she became a nation in 1948, Israel has sought peaceful coexistence with neighbors dedicated to her destruction. Thus far only Egypt and Jordan have formalized a peace treaty. In reality, these two peace treaties are are questionable.

Only 1/640th the land mass occupied by the 22 Arab States.
Israel is one of the tiniest nations on the face of the earth... only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands!. It is only 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, 60 miles at its widest, and between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest! A very high-powered rifle could launch a projectile right across the country! This is particularly frightening when one considers that 65% of Israel's population is within this 9-mile wide section (Tel Aviv area). Yet Arab propagandists call Israel "expansionist" and the "aggressor" against all Arab peoples. For those unfamiliar with the Arab interpretation of "aggressor," it means one who dares fight back against Arab aggression!! So even though Israel may have fought only defensive wars, the mere fact that she resisted total destruction is viewed as an "act of aggression." That's a case of wacky logic but, unfortunately, Israel doesn't have the luxury of picking her enemies!

a. 3 miles wide here
b. Golan Heights
c. Sea of Galilee
d. Jordan River... Sea of Galilee
to Dead Sea
e. 1967 "Green Line"... the 1949
armistice lines separating
Israel from its heartland of
Judea-Samaria when Jordanian
forces illegally annexed it. After the
1967 Arab-Israeli war, Israel
regained that land... at which time
the world began referring to Judea and
Samaria as the "West Bank" in order to
try to erase any Jewish connection
to this historically Jewish land!
f. 9 miles wide here
g. Tel Aviv
h. Jerusalem
i. Dead Sea
j. Gaza Strip: 5 miles x 25 miles

The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny Israel yet they expect Israel to turn over all the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and half of Jerusalem... territory they lost after they started the 1967 war!

For those who wish to have Israel relinquish Judea and Samaria ("West Bank") so that the Arabs can form a SECOND Arab "Palestinian" Nation (the first being Jordan), take a close look at the map (below right). Notice the 2,200 foot high Judean Mountains running North to South 60 miles along the entire length of the West Bank. A Palestinian sniper (of which there are many!) or a rocket launcher would have a bird's eye view of Israel's most densely-populated areas. Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport would also be just a few short miles from the edge of a West Bank Palestinian nation! Israel's capital city of Jerusalem would be nearly encased within Palestinian territory and jeopardizing its ability to survive an attack. In effect, Israel would be reduced to a defenseless nation 9 to 25 miles wide at areas separating Israel Proper from that enemies on her eastern flank! Also, if the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were joined to form a continuous "Palestinian" land mass, Israel would be cut in half! (below left)

Note: The Jordan River runs from the Sea of Galilee to the Dead Sea. It is the physical border separating Israel and the West Bank (Judea & Samaria) from the Kingdom of Jordan.

Look again at the above-left map. If Arafat and his Jew-murdering, Nazi terrorist thugs ever take possession of Judea-Samaria ("West Bank") and Gaza and call it their State, how will these two SEPARATE land areas (West Bank + Gaza) be connected? Will there be some underground tunnel? Some overhead bridge? Or will the Arabs simply demand a land corridor connecting these areas... in the process, cut Israel in half! This is a prescription for Israel's suicide and the Arabs know it!
No nation is required to arrange the terms of her own suicide. Any peace-making must be at the negotiating table and not upon an autopsy table! If Israel were to turn over land of this magnitude, they would be signing their own death certificates. The Arabs of Judea-Samaria will just have to find some other place to pitch their tents... preferably in East Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan) or in any of the other 21 Arab Nations that surround Israel!

 

[kas786]

Umm..no one asked for a history lesson..thanks though. Obsessed much?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Interesting read. I read the whole thing. Some facts, along with some tall claims.

There are three principal reasons behind the shift in India's attitude. The first is the belated realisation that no amount of deference to Arab sentiment could alter Muslim opinion in the Middle East in India's favour: when it came to Kashmir, Shia and Sunni united in supporting Pakistan's position. The second owes itself to the collapse of the old world order: the death of the Soviet Union meant that India had to seek out new allies. The third factor that contributed to the deepening of Indo-Israeli ties is less well-known: the rise of Hindu nationalism in India.

The first two factors are correct. Although, I do not know about Iran.

Not sure about Hindu nationalism in India and its status.

At the UN general assembly last month India's prime minister, Manmohan Singh, offered some somniferous words of support for Palestine's membership effort: "India is steadfast in its support for the Palestinian people's struggle for a sovereign, independent, viable and united state of Palestine with East Jerusalem as its capital, living within secure and recognisable borders side by side and at peace with Israel".

No one in Israel seemed to have noticed. None of the major newspapers editorialised it. There wasn't even a specific news item in the Israeli press singling out India. Trade did not suffer. The markets registered no shifts. But this did not deter some Indians from rising to take offence on Israel's behalf. To Sadanand Dhume, a US based commentator who published a hysterical philippic in the Wall Street Journal castigating India for not "throwing its weight behind Israel", Singh's speech was nothing short of a "foreign policy mishap". According to Dhume, who has since been ordained "the go-to guy for all matters India" by an excited colleague of his: "Both India and Israel represent ancient civilisations whose land carries a special spiritual significance for most of its people."

Just because India or any country would support a state for the Palestinians, and given that they have diplomatic relations with Israel, that doesn't mean trade must be sanctioned. It is not a rule or anything. Even Turkey and Israel are big trading partners, including in military-related matters.

In 2009, Mumbai's anti-terror squad arrested, among others, an officer in the Indian army, Prasad Purohit, for masterminding a terrorist attack on Pakistani citizens and plotting to overthrow the secular Indian state. In his confession, Purohit admitted to making plans to approach Israel for help. It says something about the state of Israel when the most virulently anti-Muslim terrorists in India reflexively look to it as a potential source of support.

I heard rumors of these anti-Muslim/anti-Communist extremist cells around the world. And they are well-linked. But, we can just see. One must be very careful about those people. We don't want the Norway incident to repeat. Seems like the biggest threat to the world at the moment are madmen for that kind, regardless of religion.

Its foreign minister, Jaswant Singh, suggested that a common civilisational outlook bound India and Israel – implying that Indian Muslims who shared the faith of the Arab majority were somehow alien to India's "civilisation".

mmm...Jaswant Singh had a very high opinion of Jinnah.

India and Israel have much to offer each other and Israel's security must figure as a non-negotiable precondition in New Delhi's support for Palestine. But Hindu nationalists are not concerned with the security of Israel: it is the abandonment of Palestinians they seek.

If they are so solely concerned about that matter, then they are fools. It's a another world away, and something that doesn't affect them in any way, and neither should they be concerned.

Until Israel and India undertake an honest reappraisal of their friendship, those who care about the ideas of Herzl and Gandhi must acknowledge this much: theirs is an alliance deepened by prejudice.

mmm...it's a possibility! Ghandi's ideas were undoubtedly religious.

I would go further and state The Likud Party in Israel and the BNP in India are fascist, racist parties which promotes the fascist and racist notion of the nation state.

There is BNP in India? There is BNP in my country. Please, don't drag them into that matter.

Another question: How does this relate to the USA? The article doesn't mention the US at all.

 

[AUz]

Israel: The Most Disputed strip of Real Estate on Planet Earth!

In a Nutshell... Animation Showing Israel in Relation to the Arab/Muslim Countries.

Unlike Islam's Koran, which commands Muslims to force the entire planet to submit to literal control by Islam, the Jewish Torah promises the children of Israel a modest and reasonable allotment of land. Israel in RED , is a democratic nation 1/19th the size of California, surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil. How dare Arab propagandists call Israel "expansionist!" And how dare anyone believe them! How can Israel, which occupies one-sixth of one percent of the lands called Arab, be responsible for the political dissatisfaction of 22 Arab countries? How can the 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5 million fewer than they were in 1939!) be blamed for the problems of the 300 million Arabs, who have brotherly ties to 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide?
Israel is an oasis of Western Democracy and Judeo/Christian morality in the middle of an otherwise totalitarian Arab/Muslim Middle East. For over 55 years since she became a nation in 1948, Israel has sought peaceful coexistence with neighbors dedicated to her destruction. Thus far only Egypt and Jordan have formalized a peace treaty. In reality, these two peace treaties are are questionable.

Only 1/640th the land mass occupied by the 22 Arab States.
Israel is one of the tiniest nations on the face of the earth... only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands!. It is only 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, 60 miles at its widest, and between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest! A very high-powered rifle could launch a projectile right across the country! This is particularly frightening when one considers that 65% of Israel's population is within this 9-mile wide section (Tel Aviv area). Yet Arab propagandists call Israel "expansionist" and the "aggressor" against all Arab peoples. For those unfamiliar with the Arab interpretation of "aggressor," it means one who dares fight back against Arab aggression!! So even though Israel may have fought only defensive wars, the mere fact that she resisted total destruction is viewed as an "act of aggression." That's a case of wacky logic but, unfortunately, Israel doesn't have the luxury of picking her enemies!

a. 3 miles wide here
b. Golan Heights
c. Sea of Galilee
d. Jordan River... Sea of Galilee
to Dead Sea
e. 1967 "Green Line"... the 1949
armistice lines separating
Israel from its heartland of
Judea-Samaria when Jordanian
forces illegally annexed it. After the
1967 Arab-Israeli war, Israel
regained that land... at which time
the world began referring to Judea and
Samaria as the "West Bank" in order to
try to erase any Jewish connection
to this historically Jewish land!
f. 9 miles wide here
g. Tel Aviv
h. Jerusalem
i. Dead Sea
j. Gaza Strip: 5 miles x 25 miles

The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny Israel yet they expect Israel to turn over all the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and half of Jerusalem... territory they lost after they started the 1967 war!

For those who wish to have Israel relinquish Judea and Samaria ("West Bank") so that the Arabs can form a SECOND Arab "Palestinian" Nation (the first being Jordan), take a close look at the map (below right). Notice the 2,200 foot high Judean Mountains running North to South 60 miles along the entire length of the West Bank. A Palestinian sniper (of which there are many!) or a rocket launcher would have a bird's eye view of Israel's most densely-populated areas. Israel's Ben Gurion International Airport would also be just a few short miles from the edge of a West Bank Palestinian nation! Israel's capital city of Jerusalem would be nearly encased within Palestinian territory and jeopardizing its ability to survive an attack. In effect, Israel would be reduced to a defenseless nation 9 to 25 miles wide at areas separating Israel Proper from that enemies on her eastern flank! Also, if the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were joined to form a continuous "Palestinian" land mass, Israel would be cut in half! (below left)

Note: The Jordan River runs from the Sea of Galilee to the Dead Sea. It is the physical border separating Israel and the West Bank (Judea & Samaria) from the Kingdom of Jordan.

Look again at the above-left map. If Arafat and his Jew-murdering, Nazi terrorist thugs ever take possession of Judea-Samaria ("West Bank") and Gaza and call it their State, how will these two SEPARATE land areas (West Bank + Gaza) be connected? Will there be some underground tunnel? Some overhead bridge? Or will the Arabs simply demand a land corridor connecting these areas... in the process, cut Israel in half! This is a prescription for Israel's suicide and the Arabs know it!
No nation is required to arrange the terms of her own suicide. Any peace-making must be at the negotiating table and not upon an autopsy table! If Israel were to turn over land of this magnitude, they would be signing their own death certificates. The Arabs of Judea-Samaria will just have to find some other place to pitch their tents... preferably in East Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan) or in any of the other 21 Arab Nations that surround Israel!

Hey kiddo...from where did you copy that? I also want to visit the site

 

[Black Widow]

India voted with the majority to pass UN resolution 3379, condemning Zionism as a form of racism, became one of the first non-Arab states to recognise Palestine's declaration of independence in 1988, and was generally among the more vocal non-Arab voices against Israel.

India was Pro Palestine for almost 60 years. It was these 2 person who saw that Israel and India is suffering thru one problem (Islamic Terrorists) and tried to make a holy alliance.... There was no diplomatic relation between indian and Israel for almost 60 years...

Something in the name of the person on Left

"Since the establishment of diplomatic relations between India and Israel, Jacob has paid many visits to Israel. Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin invited him to attend the Jerusalem 3,000 celebrations. During one visit, he contributed items of Judaica from his parent's home to the Museum of Babylonian Jewry in Or Yehuda. His home in New Delhi has for years been a pilgrimage site for Israeli diplomats, researchers and security officers"

 

[harshad]

BTW it was not 3000, it was 790.

the pakistanis like to increase the number people killed each day,i wont be surprised if they put the number at 10000 after 5 years