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There was a very recent article.. Just wanted to know the member s thoughts on this..

India, China bid for influence in Indian Ocean
Sunday, 08 June , 2008, 01:05


Hambantota (Sri Lanka): This battered harbour town on Sri Lanka's southern tip, with its scrawny men selling even scrawnier fish, seems an unlikely focus for an emerging international competition over energy supply routes that fuel much of the global economy.

An impoverished place still recovering from the devastation of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, Hambantota has a desolate air, a sense of nowhereness, punctuated by the realisation that looking south over the expanse of ocean, the next landfall is Antarctica.

But just over the horizon runs one of the world's great trade arteries, the shipping lanes where thousands of vessels carry oil from the Middle East and raw materials to Asia, returning with television sets, toys and sneakers for European consumers.

These tankers provide 80 per cent of China's oil and 65 per cent of India's — fuel desperately needed for the two countries' rapidly growing economies. Japan, too, is almost totally dependent on energy supplies shipped through the Indian Ocean.

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Any disruption — from terrorism, piracy, natural disaster or war — could have devastating effects on these countries and, in an increasingly interdependent world, send ripples across the globe. When an unidentified ship attacked a Japanese oil tanker travelling through the Indian Ocean from South Korea to Saudi Arabia in April, the news sent oil prices to record highs.

For decades the world relied on the powerful US Navy to protect this vital sea lane. But as India and China gain economic heft, they are moving to expand their control of the waterway, sparking a new — and potentially dangerous — rivalry between Asia's emerging giants.

China has given massive aid to Indian Ocean nations, signing friendship pacts, building ports in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as Sri Lanka, and reportedly setting up a listening post on one of Myanmar's islands near the strategic Strait of Malacca.

Now, India is trying to parry China's moves. It beat out China for a port project in Myanmar. And, flush with cash from its expanding economy, India is beefing up its military, with the expansion seemingly aimed at China. Washington and, to a lesser extent, Tokyo are encouraging India's role as a counterweight to growing Chinese power.

Among China's latest moves is the billion dollar port its engineers are building in Sri Lanka, an island country just off India's southern coast.

The Chinese insist the Hambantota port is a purely commercial move, and by all appearances, it is. But some in India see ominous designs behind the project, while others in countries surrounding India like the idea. A 2004 Pentagon report called Beijing's effort to expand its presence in the region China's ''string of pearls.''

No one wants war, and relations between the two nations are now at their closest since a brief 1962 border war in which China quickly routed Indian forces. Last year, trade between India and China grew to $37 billion and their two armies conducted their first-ever joint military exercise.

Still, the Indians worry about China's growing influence.

''Each pearl in the string is a link in a chain of the Chinese maritime presence,'' India's navy chief, Admiral Sureesh Mehta, said in a speech in January, expressing concern that naval forces operating out of ports established by the Chinese could ''take control over the world energy jugular.''

''It is a pincer movement,'' said Rahul Bedi, a South Asia analyst with London-based Jane's Defence Weekly. ''That, together with the slap India got in 1962, keeps them awake at night.''

B Raman, a hawkish, retired Indian intelligence official, expressed the fears of some Indians over the Chinese-built ports, saying he believes they'll be used as naval bases to control the area.

''We cannot take them at face value. We cannot assume their intentions are benign,'' said Raman.

But Zhao Gancheng, a South Asia expert at the Chinese government-backed Shanghai Institute for International Studies, says ports like Hambantota are strictly commercial ventures. And Sri Lanka says the new port will be a windfall for its impoverished southern region.

With Sri Lanka's proximity to the shipping lane already making it a hub for transshipping containers between Europe and Asia, the new port will boost the country's annual cargo handling capacity from 6 million containers to some 23 million, said Priyath Wickrama, deputy director of the Sri Lankan Ports Authority.

Wickrama said a new facility was needed since the main port in the capital Colombo has no room to expand and Trincomalee port in the Northeast is caught in the middle of Sri Lanka's civil war. Hambantota also will have factories onsite producing cement and fertilizer for export, he said.

Meanwhile, India is clearly gearing its military expansion toward China rather than its longtime foe, and India has set up listening stations in Mozambique and Madagascar, in part to monitor Chinese movements, Bedi noted. It also has an air base in Kazakhstan and a space monitoring post in Mongolia — both China's neighbours.

India has announced plans to have a fleet of aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines at sea in the next decade and recently tested nuclear-capable missiles that put China's major cities well in range. It is also reopening air force bases near the Chinese border.

Encouraging India's role as a counter to China, the US has stepped up exercises with the Indian navy and last year sold it an American warship for the first time, the 17,000-ton amphibious transport dock USS Trenton. American defence contractors — shut out from the lucrative Indian market during the long Cold War — have been offering India's military everything from advanced fighter jets to anti-ship missiles.

''It is in our interest to develop this relationship,'' US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said during a visit to New Delhi in February. ''Just as it is in the Indians' interest.''

Officially, China says it's not worried about India's military build-up or its closer ties with the US. However, foreign analysts believe China is deeply concerned by the possibility of a US-Indian military alliance.

Ian Storey of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore said China sent strong diplomatic messages expressing opposition to a massive naval exercise India held last year with the US, Japan, Singapore and Australia. And Bedi, the Jane's analyst, added ''those exercises rattled the Chinese.''

India's 2007 defence budget was about $21.7 billion, up 7.8 per cent from 2006. China said its 2008 military budget would jump 17.6 per cent to some $59 billion, following a similar increase last year. The US estimates China's actual defence spending may be much higher.

Like India, China is focussing heavily on its navy, building an increasingly sophisticated submarine fleet that could eventually be one of the world's largest.

While analysts believe China's military buildup is mostly focused on preventing US intervention in any conflict with Taiwan, India is still likely to persist in efforts to catch up as China expands its influence in what is essentially India's backyard. Meanwhile, Sri Lankans — who have looked warily for centuries at vast India to the north — welcome the Chinese investment in their country.

''Our lives are going to change,'' said 62-year-old Jayasena Senanayake, who has seen business grow at his roadside food stall since construction began on the nearby port. ''What China is doing for us is very good.''

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The sea is the most important asset for statergic values.....at times of war, its literally the life-line of the country...

Now, the two Asian giants India and China are in a path of collision...sooner or later there will be a conflict of interest...both working hard for securing the natural resources to meet the energy and industrial requirements.
I will try to explain to you why these sea lanes are important for China, and what statergic implications the Indian ocean is going to have.

Imagine now that India was to go at war with China...sea lanes would mean life and death.Fuel is the most important assert in the times of war.Generally a country has 1 week's fuel reserve..which means all the equipments...aircraft, ships,Tanks etc....can continue full operations without the need to import fuel from outside.Now, imagine if a major naval blockade is held by the enemy...no matter how mighty your weapons are, it will be useless without fuel.

Now let us take a look at the international sea routes....


as you can see, India plays a major role.

However, on closer look, you can see the significance of Andaman and Nicobar Islands(India),90% of the ships to China, and rest of asia have to pass through this region, which is administered by India.


area circled is the Andaman islands.


In the North, the rough terrain would make it impossible for a full scale assault from China.
Now, imagine what a devastating effect it would have on China if a naval blockade was made by the Indian Navy!!!!!

Lets take a look at options for fuel supply for China...



They either 1)have to take a traditional route to pass Andaman Islands.
2)or through the medeterraian sea, tankers by land, then trasnfer fuel to super tankers and then across whole of Russia and finally there..will take long..long time to reach.

The Chinese understand that very well, hence the whole 'String of Pearls' thing..to keep their sea lanes safe.
Frankly speaking, the current Chinese navy is king in the south China sea..outside that, they are gonna be hunted, similarly, the Indian navy is king in the Indian ocean(Arabian sea,Bay of bengal)..outside of that they are gonna be hunted as well.

The current senerio makes Gwadar port very important for the Chinese.The Indians currently cannot go at a full scale war with China and Pakistan.Even if the Pakistan navy is weak, a naval blockade means war.If the Andaman sea lanes are blocked, China will depend heavily on Gwadar,,But, there is a catch,,the Karakoram highway can remain open for only 6 months a year because of the frequent mudslides and road blocks during winter and rainyseason.

China is trying hard and so is India..it's an interesting game....
 
Azizuddin

That was a really good piece of eplanation. Good work. It explains all the intricacies in a nut shell. It will truly be something to watch. Any speculations what should be our net move ?

considering that China has built (or building) naval bases (military or commercial) in pakistan and Sri Lanka while we have in Maldives. I really think each one is trying to circumvent the other. What say?
 
They either 1)have to take a traditional route to pass Andaman Islands.
2)or through the medeterraian sea, tankers by land, then trasnfer fuel to super tankers and then across whole of Russia and finally there..will take long..long time to reach.

Andaman Islands give you full controll hence possibility to block Straigth of Malakka only. China can easily go around the Andaman Sea passing the Sunda Islands.

 
Andaman Islands give you full controll hence possibility to block Straigth of Malakka only.

You should also takes into Lakshwdeep Islands to increase a hardship little bit.


China can easily go around the Andaman Sea passing the Sunda Islands.


Offcourse they can go around but it will takes lots of days and consequent delays.
 
You should also takes into Lakshwdeep Islands to increase a hardship little bit.


Bingo...,,.....Bang on Target, I was about to say the same thing...



Offcourse they can go around but it will takes lots of days and consequent delays.

No the can't go around...



This is a map of the Sea routes in the Indian ocean area.The thick lines you see in this map are running through the Indian ocean are is known as the Indian ocean Highway.
If they have to take an alternating route, they have to pass the sonda straight and pass through Australian waters...I dont think they will have the privilage of using Aussie waters...Uncle sam will be real angry!!!

Also, there is said to be a coral reef there which makes the movement of heavy shipments impossible to travel.
 
Sooner or later the karakoram highway will need to be expanded and oil pipelines will need to be passed through it along with rail.

However Karakoram highway is not closed 6 months a year. It usually gets closed for days following an earthquake. The longest it was closed for was during the Kashmir Earthquake which caused damage to several parts of it.
 
Lol I spoke too late:

They already started its expansion, and are working on all three of my suggestions :D

The Hindu : International : China, Pakistan to renovate Karakoram Highway

They increasing the width of the highway by three times and linking it with railways all the way to Gwadar and also studying the possibility of an oil pipeline.

Once these three things are done, China may even opt to not use the sea routes.

Reducing an 8000km journey to just 2000?
 
Lol I spoke too late:

They already started its expansion, and are working on all three of my suggestions :D

The Hindu : International : China, Pakistan to renovate Karakoram Highway

They increasing the width of the highway by three times and linking it with railways all the way to Gwadar and also studying the possibility of an oil pipeline.

Once these three things are done, China may even opt to not use the sea routes.

Reducing an 8000km journey to just 2000?

Sure sir, But, there is a catch here as well, the Siachan Glacier:lol:
The Siachan Glacier sits just adjoining the Karakoram Highway, thats why the Pakistanis are so keen about de-arming the Siachan, and the Indians are so keen to set camp there.There is also an artillary unit posted there.The movement of vehicles on the Karakoram can be easily monitered from Siachan outpost.An airbase at Tajikistan and revival of several old airbases in Kashmir...its all part of the great game!!!:)
 
gosh.. seems something grand here.. defnitely cat and mouse. and touch and go issue!!!

here is a map showing the siachen and the karakoram highway
very interesting to see if the road way to oil for china will pass through this place. Potentially dangerous.
 

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Lol I spoke too late:

They already started its expansion, and are working on all three of my suggestions :D

The Hindu : International : China, Pakistan to renovate Karakoram Highway

They increasing the width of the highway by three times and linking it with railways all the way to Gwadar and also studying the possibility of an oil pipeline.

Once these three things are done, China may even opt to not use the sea routes.

Reducing an 8000km journey to just 2000?

just a thought, its much harder to trasposrt huge amounts of oil through land (cant imagine the size of the usual oil tanker in sea!!) unless of course there is an oil pipeline!!

so i would rather say a pipeline is the best bet for china. nothing much india could do then! and for india to get oil, well, a pipeline through pakistan will be tragic in case of a war. and india has to definitely rely on the sea routes.

am i seeing a potential threat?:undecided:
 
on contrary, there seems to be an 'all weather karakoram highway' built between pak and china.. seems like this might well come handy in case of the naval blockade thing.

Karakoram Highway

A new all-weather road, the Karakoram Highway connecting Rawalpindi/Islamabad with China’s Xinjiang Province runs through the Northern Areas.

The 805 kms. dual carriage metalled road starts from Havelian, 100 kms. from Islamabad and winds through Abbottabad Mansehra Thakot Besham Pattan S azin Chils Gilgit Hunza to the Chinese Frontier across the 4,733 metres high Khunjerab Pass. The road built by the Pakistan Army engineers in association with the Chinese experts and technicians has been described as a marvel of civil engineering and even as "the Eighth Wonder of the World." Completed in 15 years, it has been forced through some of the world’s toughest terrain. The road not only opens up the Northern Areas to trade and travel but provides easy access to hitherto closed regions, connected by jeep or goat tracks.

PTDC and Northern Area Transport Company (NATCO) are plying regular bus service between Sost (Pakistan) and Taxkhurgan (China) for overland traffic between Pakistan and China, from 1st May till 15th November every year.

link:Neelam Plan : Northern Areas of Pakistan
 
just a thought, its much harder to trasposrt huge amounts of oil through land (cant imagine the size of the usual oil tanker in sea!!) unless of course there is an oil pipeline!!

so i would rather say a pipeline is the best bet for china. nothing much india could do then! and for india to get oil, well, a pipeline through pakistan will be tragic in case of a war. and india has to definitely rely on the sea routes.

am i seeing a potential threat?:undecided:

Huge amounts of oil cannot be transported through trucks.One supertanker full of oil will be equal to hundreds of trucks.And an Oil pipeline is very easy to sabotage.Once sabotaged it will be very difficult to bring it back to life.

And no matter how betterment be done on the Karakoram highway, it can only assure all seasonal usage and not 'interference free', and it will take hell of a time transporting them all the way to China's eastern coast.
 
You should also takes into Lakshwdeep Islands to increase a hardship little bit.
Again plenty of water to go around, its merely a threat.

Offcourse they can go around but it will takes lots of days and consequent delays.
Two-three days of delay isn't going to change anything for a country with huge strategic reserves.

Btw, al long as China doesn't become the agressor US or Australia have no case to deny access.
 
Sure sir, But, there is a catch here as well, the Siachan Glacier:lol:
The Siachan Glacier sits just adjoining the Karakoram Highway, thats why the Pakistanis are so keen about de-arming the Siachan, and the Indians are so keen to set camp there.There is also an artillary unit posted there.The movement of vehicles on the Karakoram can be easily monitered from Siachan outpost.An airbase at Tajikistan and revival of several old airbases in Kashmir...its all part of the great game!!!:)

If you think that you can block KKH and Straight of Malakka think again!
India ain't strong enough to take on Chna and Pakistan at the same time.
Any movement towards KKH would be seen as an act or war.
 
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