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we are entitled to our preferences. I feel more satisfied with having 'chain of narrators' as a mode of authentication rather than finding a manuscript 100s of years back with an unknown ownership.
And when the number of independent 'chains' (having no common link between each other) becomes large (mutawatir narration), for me it serves as an undeniable proof.

Sir , there are a lot of flaws in the so called Hadith science and I am willing to discuss it with you , but before that , I would like you to share your thoughts on history and origin of Hadith writing ... here are my views :

Islamic History & Archaeology
 
These fake Muslims are creating more harm to Islam. We real Muslims can't allow that. Muslim stars like Sharukh and Salman worship Hindu gods. Many Muslim youngsters are copying them.

How can we let this happen? Real Muslim should stand up and not care about losing support or the numbers.
Oe chal Oe real Muslim stay as humble person of Allah and don't try to be god yourself.
 
(lit is such a light) in houses, which allah hath permitted to be raised to honour; for the celebration, in them, of his name: in them is he glorified in the mornings and in the evenings. [24,36]

thus did we make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the hour of judgment. behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (some) said, "construct a building over them": their lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "we will certainly raise a masjid over them." [18,21]

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The word Albayt "البیت" exist in Quran 14 times.

The word "شفاعة" "intercession" exist in Quran 13 times. (Imam Mahdi (aat) is alive)

Tanzil - Quran Navigator | القرآن الكريم

Tanzil - Quran Navigator | القرآن الكريم

The word "ائمه"،"امام" "Imam" exist in Quran 12 times.

The word "Shia" exist in Quran 12 times.

The word "Khalifa"="successor" exist in Quran 12 times.

The word "احمد" exist in Quran 1 time and the word "محمد" exist in Quran 4 times. = 5 times (Names of Prophet Muhammad [pbuh])

Ahl al-Kisa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ "أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ" وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا
"Allah only wishes to distance fault from you "Ahlulbayt", and to cleanse you, and to purify you abundantly."[33.33]

"14 words" :


إِنَّمَا ،يُرِيدُ،اللَّهُ،لِ،يُذْهِبَ،عَن،كُمُ،الرِّجْسَ،أَهْلَ،الْبَيْتِ،وَ،يُطَهِّرَ،كُمْ،تَطْهِيرًا


إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ
your Wali is only Allah, his messenger, "and the believers, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow."[5,55]

"12 words" :
وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ
and the believers, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

3 + 5 + 6=14
(5*5)+(12*12)+(14*14) = 365

132+92+110+5+12+14=365

اسلام=132 محمد=92 علی=110

حساب الجمل - ويكيبيديا، الموسوعة الحرة

say ye: "we believe in allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, isma'il, isaac, jacob, and the Tribes (الاسباط) , and that given to moses and jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their lord: we make no difference between one and another of them: and we bow to allah (in islam)." [2,136]

say: "we believe in allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to abraham, isma'il, isaac, jacob, and the Tribes (الاسباط) , and in (the books) given to moses, jesus, and the prophets, from their lord: we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to allah do we bow our will (in islam)." [3,84]

we have sent thee inspiration, as we sent it to noah and the messengers after him: we sent inspiration to abraham, isma'il, isaac, jacob and the Tribes (الاسباط) , to jesus, job, jonah, aaron, and solomon, and to david we gave the psalms. [4,163]

we divided them into twelve Tribes (الاسباط) , each a nation. and when his people demanded drink, we revealed to moses: 'strike the rock with your staff. ' thereupon twelve springs gushed from the rock and each tribe knew its drinkingplace. we caused the clouds to cast their shadow over them, and sent down for them manna and quails, saying: 'eat of the good things we have provided for you. ' indeed, they did us no wrong, but they wronged themselves. [7,160]


And we gave him Ishaq and Yaqoub, a son's son, and we made (them) all good. [21,72]
and we made them ""Imams"" who guided (people) by our command, and we revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and us (alone) did they serve. [21,73]

(remember) the day when we will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly. [17,71]

but he who is blind in this life, shall be blind in the everlasting life and will be further astray from the path. [17,72]



and they who, when reminded of the communications of their lord, do not fall down thereat deaf and blind. [25,73]

and those who pray, "our lord! grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and make us "Imams"(leaders)to the fearful righteous. [25.74]

those shall be recompensed with the highest rank for their patience. there they shall receive a greeting, and peace. [25.75]


Surah Vaqeah: (Rising day and hereafter)

and those foremost (in faith) will be foremost (in the hereafter). [10.10]
these will be those nearest to allah. [10.11]
in gardens of bliss. [10.12]
a number of people from those of old. [10.13]
but only a few from the later generations. [10.14]


Abdullah bin Amar (ra) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, Verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be Astray except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "They are those who will be like me and my companions."

Allah made a covenant with the children of israel and raised among them Twelve chieftains. he said: 'i shall be with you and if you establish the prayers and pay the obligatory charity; if you believe in my messengers and assist them and give allah a generous loan, i shall forgive you your sins and admit you to gardens underneath which rivers flow. whosoever amongst you disbelieves after that, he indeed has strayed from the straight path. [5.12]

But because they broke their covenant, we cursed them and hardened their hearts. they changed the words from their places and have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded. except for a few, you will always find treachery from them, yet pardon them, and forgive; indeed allah loves the gooddoers. [5.13]

when (prophet) jesus felt their disbelief, he said: 'who will be my helpers in the way of allah? ' the disciples replied: 'we are the helpers of allah. we believe in allah. bear witness that we are submitters (muslims). [2,52]

Aposles (حواریان،الاسباط) of Prophet Jesus[pbuh] (real Christian before Islam) were 12 person.

Apostle (Christian) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Forty Seven Hadiths About Imam Ali [pbuh] From Prophet [pbuh] in Sunni books:

Forty-Seven Sayings About Imam Ali (A.S) From Prophet (P.B.U.H) - Islam Guidance

12 Imams in Quran : Must see

الائمة الاثنی عشر

Hadith of the pond of Khumm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hadiths of Prophet [pbuh] about Imam Ali and his Shias.

The Holy Prophet says:"Whoever dies without recognizing the IMAM of his age dies as a pagan" Ahmad b.Hanbal,Musnad

"O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).

Sunni references:

- al-Tabarani, on the authority of Imam Ali

- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p236

"The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Sunni references:

- al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:

- Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62

Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 9329

I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve imams." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish."

Sahih Muslim, Hadith 4483

The Islamic religion will Continue until the Hour has been established, or you have been ruled by Twelve Caliphs, all of them being from the Quraysh.


Wilayat.Net


Sayings of Imam Ali (AS)
 
This deviant sect(barely Islam) was made by Lawrence of Arabia only 200 years ago

Lawrence of Arabia was a homosexual.

He has about as much in common with Abd al Wahhab as Guru Nanak does with Khalid ibn Waleed
 
Lawrence of Arabia was a homosexual.

He has about as much in common with Abd al Wahhab as Guru Nanak does with Khalid ibn Waleed

He helped Ikhwaan. He didn't make wahaabism in true sense. He just helped it become a full blown sect from a cult.
 
think not of those who are slain in allah's way as dead. nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their lord.[2.169]


You quoted ayah which is for Shuhda martyred in the way of Allah during Jihads, and the jihad which only for Allah not nor having funds from western world.

And remember who is shaheed and who is not its a decision of Allah.

Danish
 
Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, “Construct a building over them”: Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said,“Let us surely build a place of worship over them. (Quran 18:21)

Authentic classical Tafsir for this verse

Tafsir Number 1
Qadhi Thana Ullah Panipatti (Rahimuhullah) writes in his great Tafsir al Mazhari: After the death of Ashaab al Kahf a dispute occurred between Muslims and non-muslims, The Muslims said that they will make a Masjid over them because they were of our faith whereas the disbelievers said they will build other buildings on it where people will live….This Ayah is proving that Mosques could be made near graves of Awliya in order to say salaat in them, Tabarruk is also attained through the tombs of Awliya [Tafsir al Mazhari Volume No.7, Page No. 123-124]


Tafsir Number 2
Tafsir by Imam Bayzawi (rah) says: “From this it is understood that to erect a Mausoleum for the special people, i.e. Pious Saints and Ulema, is permissible”.


Tafsir Number 3
Tafsir by Imam Fakhrud’deen Razi (rah) writes:
أن بعضهم قال: الأولى أن يسد باب الكهف لئلا يدخل عليهم أحد ولا يقف على أحوالهم إنسان. وقال آخرون: بل الأولى أن يبني على باب الكهف مسجد وهذا القول يدل على أن أولئك الأقوام كانوا عارفين بالله معترفين بالعبادة والصلاة
Translation: Some people said that the door of the cave should be closed so that nobody can enter it and the Ahwaal (of Ashab e Kahf) are kept hidden. Some people said that It is better to build a mosque at the door, this saying proves that these people were “ARIFEEN OF ALLAH WHO BELIEVED IN WORSHIPPING AND PRAYER”[Tafsir al Kabeer, Volume No. 5, Page No. 475]

Imam al-Razi also said:
ثم قال تعالى: {قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا۴ عَلَىٰۤ أَمْرِهِمْ} قيل المراد به الملك المسلم، وقيل: أولياء أصحاب الكهف، وقيل: رؤساء البلد: {لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا} نعبد الله فيه ونستبقي آثار أصحاب الكهف بسبب ذلك المسجد
Translation: And when Allah said {Those who prevailed over their affair} this refers to the “MUSLIM RULER” or the Awliya of Ashaab al Kahf (i.e. their momineen friends) or the leaders of town. {We will surely build a Mosque over them} so that we can “WORSHIP ALLAH” in it and due to it we will “PRESERVE THE RELICS OF ASHAAB AL KAHF”[Tafsir al-Kabeer, 5/475]
Tafsir Number 4
In “Tafseer Roohul Bayaan”, Vol. 3, according to the verse: “To build over the graves of the Ulema, Awliya and the Saliheen is a permissible act with this condition that the motive is that the greatness of these pious people must be made apparent so that the people don’t think that it is an ordinary grave.”

Tafsir Number 5
Imam Hakim (Rehmatullah Alaih) said in his Tafsir
قال الذين غلبوا على أمرهم} وهم المؤمنون, وكانوا غالبين في ذلك الوقت
Translation: {Those who prevailed over their affair} refers to the “MOMINEEN” and they prevailed over this matter in that time [Tafsir al Wahidi under 18:21]

Tafsir Number 6
Imam Jalal ud-din Suyuti (Rehmatullah Alaih) and Al Muhalli (Rehmatullah Alaih) explain in Tafsir al Jalalyn:
يَتَنَـٰزَعُونَ} أي المؤمنون والكفار {بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْۖ} أمر الفتية في البناء حولهم {فَقَالُوۤا۴} أي الكفار {ٱبْنُوا۴ عَلَيْهِم} أي حولهم {بُنْيَـٰنًاۖ} يسترهم {رَّبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْۚ قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا۴ عَلَىٰۤ أَمْرِهِمْ} أمر الفتية وهم المؤمنون {لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم} حولهم {مَّسْجِدًا} يصلى فيه، وفعل ذلك على باب الكهف.
Translation: They were disputing, that is, the believers and the disbelievers, among themselves their affair, the affair of the youths, with regard to building something around them [as a monument]; so they, the disbelievers, said, ‘Build over them, that is, around them, a building, to cover them up; their Lord knows them best.’ Those who prevailed regarding their affair, the affair of the youths, “NAMELY THE BELIEVERS”

We will verily set up over them, around them, a place of worship’, for prayers to be performed therein. And this indeed took place at the entrance of the cave.[Tafsir al Jalalyn, Volume No.1, Page No. 389]

Tafsir Number 7
Imam Nasafi (Rehmatullah Alaih) writes in his Tafsir al Nasafi:
قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا۴ عَلَىٰۤ أَمْرِهِمْ} من المسلمين وملكهم
وكانوا أولى بهم وبالبناء عليهم {لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم} على باب الكهف {مَّسْجِدًا} يصلي فيه المسلمون ويتبركون
Translation: {Those who prevailed over their affair} these are the “MUSLIMS AND THE RULERS” who said to build over them i.e. on the door of cave a Masjid so that “MUSLIMS CAN PRAY IN IT AND SEEK TABARRUK” [Tafsir al Nasafi, Volume No.3, Page No. 18]

Tafsir Number 8
Imam Abu Hayyan al Andalusi (Rehmatullah Alaih) said:
وروي أن التي دعت إلى البنيان كانت كافرة أرادت بناء بيعة أو مصنع لكفرهم فمانعهم المؤمنون وبنوا عليهم مسجداً
Translation: The person who told to make a building over them was a Kafir woman, she told to make a Church over them where deeds of Kufr can take place, however the momineen stopped her and made a Masjid over there instead [Tafsir Bahr al Muheet, Volume No. 7, Page No. 158]

Tafsir Number 9
Allama Ibn Jawzi (Rehmatullah Alaih) who is considered the most strict scholar and revered highly by Salafi Muslims, he states in his Tafsir under 18:21
قال ابن قتيبة: يعني المُطاعين والرؤساء، قال المفسرون: وهم الملك وأصحابه المؤمنون اتخذوا عليهم مسجداً
Translation: Ibn Qutayba (Rehmatullah Alaih) said that the Mufasireen said: People who made Masjid were the (Muslim) King and his Momineen companions [Tafsir Zaad ul Maseer, Volume No. 5, Page No.124]

Tafsir Number 10
Imam Shahab ud-din Khafaji (Rehmatullah Alaih) wrote:
مسجد ايدل على جوازا لبناء على قبور الصلحاء ونحوهم كما اشار الي فى الكشاف وجواز الصلوة فى ذلك البناء
Translation: (Making mosque on cave) ”IS PROOF OF MAKING MOSQUES OVER THE GRAVES OF SALIHEEN” just like It is mentioned in Tafsir al Kashaaf and It is “PERMITTED” to pray inside this construction [Imam Khafaji in Inayatul Qadhi, Volume No. 6, Page No. 87, Published by Dar us Sadir, Beirut, Lebanon]

Tafsir Number 11
Mullah Ali Qari (Rehmatullah Alaih) writes:
أما من اتخذ مسجدا في جوار صالح أو صلى في مقبرة وقصد الإستظهار بروحه أو وصول أثر ما من أثر عبادته إليه لا للتعظيم له والتوجه نحوه فلا حرج عليه ألا ترى أن مرقد إسماعيل عليه السلام في المسجد الحرام عند الحطيم ثم أن ذلك المسجد أفضل مكان يتحرى المصلى لصلاته والنهي عن الصلاة في المقابر مختص بالقبور المنبوشة لما فيها من النجاسة كذا ذكره الطيبي وذكر غيره أن صورة قبر إسماعيل عليه السلام في الحجر تحت الميزاب وإن في الحطيم بين الحجر الأسود وزمزم قبر سبعين نبيا
Translation: Anyone who builds a mosque near the grave of an upright person or prays in the tomb (Maqbara) or intends to ask for help through the Ruh of that upright person or intends to seek barakah from his left overs, If he does all that without the intention of giving him Tazeem or doing tawajuh towards him ( in prayer) “Then there is nothing wrong in that, don’t you see that Grave of Hadrat Ismail(A.S) is inside the Masjid ul Harram near the hateem and to Pray there is Superior than anything else ” however to pray near the graves is only forbidden when the soil becomes dirty because of Najasat of deceased… In the Hateem near Hajr al Aswad and Mizaab there are “Graves of 70 Prophets” [Mirqat, Sharh al Mishqaat, Volume No. 2, Page No. 202]

Mullah Ali Qari (Rehmatullah Alaih) also said:
وقد أباح السلف البناء على قبر المشايخ والعلماء المشهورين ليزورهم الناس ويستريحوا بالجلوس فيه
Translation: The early Muslims (Salaf) have considered it Mubah (i.e. allowed) to build over the graves of famous Mashaikh and Ulama so that people can visit them and sit there (easily) [Mirqaat Sharh al Misshqaat, Volume No. 4, Page No. 69]

So Indeed the Prophets, Mashaikh and Saliheen do not come under the prohibition because the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him), Abu Bakr (Radhi’Allah anho), Umar (Radhi’Allah anho) and many other Prophets and Saliheen have remained “BUILT OVER”

Tafsir Number 12
Ibn khatir in his tafsir writes.
م { قَالَ ٱلَّذِينَ غَلَبُواْ عَلَىٰ أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِمْ مَّسْجِدًا } حكى ابن جرير في القائلين ذلك قولين: [أحدهما] أنهم المسلمون منهم.
Translation: “When the people of the cave went into the cave, some people close to the entrance of the cave said, ‘Build a mosque so we can worship Allah.’ The people who said this were Muslims” [Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Sura al-Kahf, verse 21]

Tafsir Number 13
The famous commentator of Sahih Bukhari and leading scholar in sight of Sunnis and Salafis/wahabisies.
Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani (rah) writes in his magnificent Fath ul Bari:

In view of the fact that the Jews and Christians were taking the graves of their Prophets as their qibla for the purpose of respect, and were paying attention towards them at the time of their prayers, their graves took the position of idols. For this reason the Muslims have been forbidden from this action. However, if someoneconstructs a mosque near the grave of a pious person for the prupose of seeking tabarruk and not for prostration or paying attention towards them, he will never be included in this prohibition.( Ibn Hajr al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-bari, vol. 3, p. 208)

for more on the proofs see: About Shrines,Tombs,etc Religious Standings | ahlu sunnah wal jamat


i just dont know how to tell these wahabis to respect the other side of the argument.

My brother, are you out of your mind ! Comparing description of Ulema e Karam of a Quranic verse to the Sahih Hadith of Muhammad SAW. There are differences among the ulema e karam over the event you have shared.
Besides there were many things that were allowed in previous commandments before Muhammad SAW time, that doesn't mean you are allowed to perform the same.

Read the Tafseer of the one of the oldest tafseer of Quran present today, Tafseer Ibn e Kaseer. Tafsir ibn Kathir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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On Friday a local Nineveh official, Zuhair al-Chalabi said that there is information that almost certainly confirms that members of the organization of the Islamic state in Iraq and the Levant dug up the grave of the Prophet Younis in the east of Mosul.

Al-Chalabi said in an interview for IraqiNews, that “The elements of ISIL controlled the mosque of the Prophet Younis in Mosul since they invaded the city. It is still held by them until now,” pointing out that “elements of ISIL engaged in the process of tampering with the contents of the Mosque.”

Al-Chalabi added that “there is almost certain information stating the fact that the elements of ISIL dug up the grave of the Prophet Younis.”

In just one day, ISIL members committed a series of horrific crimes which illustrate their hostile nature, said Iraqi police in Ninawa spokesman Maj. Ahmed al-Obaidi.

“They torched 11 churches and monasteries out of 35 scattered across the city of Mosul, and hours later destroyed statues of poets, literary and historical figures of which Mosul has long been proud,” he said.

Three Sunni clerics were killed at the hands of ISIL gunmen in different parts of Mosul, he added.

The clerics, named Khattab Hassan, 43, Riyadh al-Wandi, 39, and Abdul Ghafoor Salman, 48, had called on local residents to reject the ISIL and had refused to leave the city, al-Obaidi said.

The gunmen then demolished the historic grave of the prophet Yunus (Jonah) and the shrine of prophet Shayth (Seth), revered by Muslims and Christians alike, which are located inside centuries-old mosques, he said.


Religion of peace.
 
In pictures: Isis destroys Iraq shrines
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Images posted on social media appear to show the destruction of about a dozen places of worship across northern Iraq, in areas recently taken over by extremist militants.

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Some images showed the al-Qubba Husseiniya, a Shia shrine, being blown up in the city of Mosul.

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Militants used a bulldozer to destroy a shrine known as the "Girl's Tomb" in Mosul.

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They believe giving special veneration to graves and relics is against the teachings of Islam.

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Militants also destroyed the Saad bin Aqeel Husseiniya shrine in Tal Afar, approximately 50 km (35 miles) west of Mosul.

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The militants, believed to belong to Isis (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), are also reported to have attacked churches in Mosul.

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More images showed the Ahmed al-Rifai shrine and tomb in the Mahlabiya district near Tal Afar being attacked with a bulldozer.

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The militants have attacked Shia and Sunni shrines alike, and have vowed to continue destroying places of worship which they do not approve of.

BBC News - In pictures: Isis destroys Iraq shrines


I see the Indian mullahs who issue fatwa if an illegal roadside dargah is removed by authority are totally silent on Mosques destroyed by Muslim.
 
Sir , there are a lot of flaws in the so called Hadith science and I am willing to discuss it with you , but before that , I would like you to share your thoughts on history and origin of Hadith writing ... here are my views :

Islamic History & Archaeology

my view is very simple. If Hasan Shaybani or Abu Yusuf in their books narrate something from their teacher Abu Hanifa who narrates from his teacher Hammad who narrates from his teacher Ibrahim Nakhi who narrates from his teacher Ibn Masoud (r.a.) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly, if Malik in his book Muwatta narrates from his teacher Zuhri who narrates from his teacher Salim who narrates from his father Ibn Umar (r.a.) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly if Shafi narrates in his books from Malik who narrates from Zuhri and others who narrate from the students of the companions who narrate from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly, if in any of such books a hadith scholar narrates from Jafar as-Sadiq (r.a) who narrates from his father Muhammad al-Baqir (r.a) who narrates from his father Ali bin Hussain (r.a) who narrates from his father Hussain bin Ali (r.a) who narrates from his father Ali bin Abi Talib (r.a) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family), I will kiss the chain of these narrators and put the narration up on my head and take it as definite narration.

Likewise for Ahmad bin Hanbal who was a student of Shafi and compiled his Musnad with 30,000 narartions. And likewise for Bukhari who was the student of Ahmad bin Hanbal who was the student of Ahmad bin Hanbal.

Moreover, If a single narration ends up being narrated by many yet independent chains, ill accept it with certainty.

My brother, are you out of your mind ! Comparing description of Ulema e Karam of a Quranic verse to the Sahih Hadith of Muhammad SAW. There are differences among the ulema e karam over the event you have shared.
Besides there were many things that were allowed in previous commandments before Muhammad SAW time, that doesn't mean you are allowed to perform the same.

Read the Tafseer of the one of the oldest tafseer of Quran present today, Tafseer Ibn e Kaseer. Tafsir ibn Kathir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I know what Ibn e Kathir (rha) says. There are other scholars as well who hold an opinion to the contrary. I have summarised and concluded what i have to say for my self on this subject in this post. I understand the position you take and respect your proofs.
 
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my view is very simple. If Hasan Shaybani or Abu Yusuf in their books narrate something from their teacher Abu Hanifa who narrates from his teacher Hammad who narrates from his teacher Ibrahim Nakhi who narrates from his teacher Ibn Masoud (r.a.) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly, if Malik in his book Muwatta narrates from his teacher Zuhri who narrates from his teacher Salim who narrates from his father Ibn Umar (r.a.) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly if Shafi narrates in his books from Malik who narrates from Zuhri and others who narrate from the students of the companions who narrate from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) then I take it as definite narration. Like wise for other chains depending on the people in it.

Similarly, if in any of such books a hadith scholar narrates from Jafar as-Sadiq (r.a) who narrates from his father Muhammad al-Baqir (r.a) who narrates from his father Ali bin Hussain (r.a) who narrates from his father Hussain bin Ali (r.a) who narrates from his father Ali bin Abi Talib (r.a) who narrates from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family), I will kiss the chain of these narrators and put the narration up on my head and take it as definite narration.

Likewise for Ahmad bin Hanbal who was a student of Shafi and compiled his Musnad with 30,000 narartions. And likewise for Bukhari who was the student of Ahmad bin Hanbal who was the student of Ahmad bin Hanbal.

Moreover, If a single narration ends up being narrated by many yet independent chains, ill accept it with certainty.



I know what Ibn e Kathir (rha) says. There are other scholars as well who hold an opinion to the contrary. I have summarised and concluded what i have to say for my self on this subject in this post. I understand the position you take and respect your proofs.

So brother,

You are proving that Ulema on that time, not have minds, and they made that kind of science which is full of flows!

Question 1> why Ulema want to compile the Hadiths! when thousand of thousand people remembered the Hadiths verbaly?
Question 2> Why Ulema distinguish Hadith Narrations as sahih ,Hasan and zadiyef?
Question 3> Why Ulema of that Generations created a Science of compiling of Haidth?

Please give me the answers of the questions!
Danish
 
So brother,

You are proving that Ulema on that time, not have minds, and they made that kind of science which is full of flows!

Question 1> why Ulema want to compile the Hadiths! when thousand of thousand people remembered the Hadiths verbaly?
Question 2> Why Ulema distinguish Hadith Narrations as sahih ,Hasan and zadiyef?
Question 3> Why Ulema of that Generations created a Science of compiling of Haidth?

Please give me the answers of the questions!
Danish

am i proving this? i thought i was writing in defence of hadith, usul al-hadith and hadith scholars. where did u get the impression that im saying otherwise?
 
am i proving this? i thought i was writing in defence of hadith, usul al-hadith and hadith scholars. where did u get the impression that im saying otherwise?
Brother,

I think in my post i dont said that! i just want to know for more clearity of my thoughts and for the benefits of others reading the posts!

Danish
 
For the first time in 1400 years there will be no Christian Mass held in Mosul.The end game is near for Christians in the ME.

Thank God that at least in Egypt the Army steamrolled those retards,gave the copts a breather which i'm sure it won't last forever though.
 
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