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IN MIG-29K + Vikramaditya

100 baaton ki ek baat... In conventional warfare pakistan armed force are numerically and qualitatively inferior to Indian armed forces. There shouldnt be any question about that in anyone's mind.

As far as I can see I dont really think that pakistan will be able to challenge India's might in conventional terms. If pakistan prepares its defences well then maybe it wont loose much of its territories but will still end up loosing quite a few assets.

Though no war is nice , any war that pakistan fights with India will have disastourous consequences for her. I dont know if fellow pakistan brothers accept India's domination in conventional sense or not but for the ones that dont will have to face the hard truth that in a few years India's conventional superiority will turn into supremacy.

IMO the gap exists more on the navy and AF front as compared to Army.

If I talk only about the topic then also I can confidently say that Mig 29k on Vikramaditya will be a very severe threat to China and pakistan. Pakistan simply doesnt have the assets to nuetralise such threats, even if they use their cruise missiles etc the plain fact is that a carrier will be india's last line of defence and the stratergic depth that Vikramaditya will have due to frigates and destroyers of IN will make it nearly invincible.

It is a well proven fact as in 1971 Pakistani Naval Installations and Naval vesseles were pounded by IAF and IN aircrafts repeteadly.

PAF was kept busy by IAF and hence no air support.

This time it wont be different unless PN gets its dedicated naval fighters like many other navies of the world.

GB
 
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It is a well proven fact as in 1971 Pakistani Naval Installations and Naval vesseles were pounded by IAF and IN aircrafts repeteadly.

PAF was kept busy by IAF and hence no air support.

This time it wont be different unless PN gets its dedicated naval fighters like many other navies of the world.

GB

IN biggest advantage in 71 was the AShM while PN did not even have anti AShM systems on board their ships. so once the AshM is fired the ship is a dead meat.
and yes PN desperately needs a dedicated Naval MRCA.
 
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IN biggest advantage in 71 was the AShM while PN did not even have anti AShM systems on board their ships. so once the AshM is fired the ship is a dead meat.
and yes PN desperately needs a dedicated Naval MRCA.

Meri Jaan PNS Khyber was having Anti-AShM systems on board.

They confused the Indian AShM's for aircrafts and by the time they realized what has hit them, it was too late.

PNS Shahjahan being a minesweeper couldn't do much against the AShM. A minesweeper is supposed to fight against the mines not AShMs.

I would refer article from pakdef.info

1971 Indo/Pak Naval War

Refer articles First Attack and Second Attack from Pakistan Navy >> 1971 War Sections.

GB
 
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MIG-29K lacks only one thing- AESA radar...but once ELTA-52 is completed ...this wont be much of a problem...

BTW when india is already developing an AESA radar with israel...then why we are trying to develop another one on our own...seems like FGFA and MCA concept...way to go ARYAWARTA..
 
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MIG-29K lacks only one thing- AESA radar...but once ELTA-52 is completed ...this wont be much of a problem...

BTW when india is already developing an AESA radar with israel...then why we are trying to develop another one on our own...seems like FGFA and MCA concept...way to go ARYAWARTA..

Even Su-30MKI does not have AESA yet.

Besides I never heard of MiG-29K (or even Su-30MKI) getting ELTA-52. Will you please enlight us more on it?

GB
 
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as much as flanker getting AESA is concerned ...they are set to get one in the next upgradation...but it will be ELTA or any russian one ...i dont know....
about MIG-29 , i was just saying that IFF it is required then there will not be any problem because we will have our own radar to incorporate into...
 
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garibnawaz...this time around Pakistan has cruise Missiles have you ever thought about it? Many things have changed after 71 what makes you think this time it will be the same? please provide solid reasons..
 
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garibnawaz...this time around Pakistan has cruise Missiles have you ever thought about it? Many things have changed after 71 what makes you think this time it will be the same? please provide solid reasons..

I didnot said this time it will be the same with regards to cruise missiles. I said it with regards to PN not having its own fighters.

I was countering the claim that we have Anti AShM systems on our boats on which I said that PN had even in 1971 and yet Indian Cruise Missiles hit the PN vessels.

Please read it carefully.

GB
 
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garibnawaz...this time around Pakistan has cruise Missiles have you ever thought about it? Many things have changed after 71 what makes you think this time it will be the same? please provide solid reasons..

Yes many things have changed but why you forget that the change is from both sides and from our side more better.

1. Boeing P8s
2. Project 28 Anti Submarine Warfare Corvette
3. Arihant
4. Akula-II
5. Vikrant class aircraft carriers
6. Brahmos world's fastest supersonic cruise missile launched from ship, submarine, land and Air.
7. Scorpène submarines

The GOI have given approval of SSNs project also.
 
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