In Iran nobody follows the line of the Mullahs

[Takaavar]

You must be having problems , not knowing shah ismail was azeri turk is like claiming bush was ugandan

Ismail was born to Martha and Shaykh Haydar on July 17, 1487 in Ardabil. His father, Haydar, was the sheikh of the Safaviyya Sufi order and a direct descendant of its Kurdish[10][11][12] founder, Safi-ad-din Ardabili (1252–1334). Ismail was the last in line of hereditary Grand Masters of the Safaviyah Sufi order, prior to his ascent to a ruling dynasty. As a boy only a year old, he lost his father, the leader of a growing Qizilbash Shi'i community in Iranian Azerbaijan, who died in battle. His mother, Martha, was the daughter of Uzun Hasan by his Pontic Greek wife Theodora, better known as Despina Khatun.[13] Theodora was the daughter of Emperor John IV of Trebizond. (She had married Uzun Hassan in a deal to protect Trebizond from the Ottomans.[14]) Ismail grew up bilingual, speaking Persian and Azeri.[15][16]

Ismail I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INDIC]

persian and turkic they spoke turkic in court , military , religious dignatirous , mate ive read many academic things that say safavids were turkic rulers with also persians together but because of shah ismail its regarded as azeri , but ive never ever seen seljuks as turco-persian , it had elements of persian culture and language but check rulers , founders , and many other things are turks . Safavids are called the safavid dynasty. the thing you said is trying to say mughals wasnt turkic and indians claiming mughal their own empire becouse it was in indian continent which was created by babur descendants of timur who is turkic.

Let me make you clear about Mughals. Mughals were Chughtai Turks. Babur wrote his autobiography in Chughtai Turkish language but later on it was translated into Persian language. Babur's grandson "Akbar the Great" married local Indian princess and thus Indianized themselves, although Persian remain the court language. They patronized Persian literature, Urdu languages developed because of Persian influence and little Turkic influence, even the music Mughals patronized was Persian.

In really there is nothing Turkic in Turkic legacy in India and Pakistan, its mostly Persian.

 

[Grand-Vizier]

Note that others can easily steal your history too (though we don't want because we already have a great one). For instance, based on these reasons I can argue Turk history is part of Persian history: Turks were Islamized by Persians, Turkish (particularly Ottoman Turkish) culture, from many aspects, is copy'n'paste of Persian culture, majority of Ottoman Turkish words were borrowed from Persian, many Turkish Sultans had Persian names (Khurram Sultan, Mihrimah, Mihrishah, Gul-jemal, you name it), etc.
Akkoyunlus and Karakoyunlus were a bunch of uncivilized nomads. Seljuk, Afshariye and Timurid dynasties were totally Persianized and their language were Persian as well. Btw, Shah Ismail was not Turkic, other Safavids were Azeri-speaking though, but all of them were quite pro-Iranian.

why would we steal someones non existent history other than like 2000 years ago , you are trying to steal our history , you go as far as nearly claiming seljuks but because you dont want to look like an idiot you instead say turco-persian , we dont need to steal anyones history , its too great already , although safavids was a turkic empire and clearly an azeri empire.

azeri dynasties that ruled iran

Atabegs of Azerbaijan, with their capital in Nakhchivan. At the height of their power, their borders reached south of Iran.

Eldiguzids (Atabegs of Azerbaijan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qara-Qoyunlu and Ağ-Qoyunlu Oghuz Turks. Qara-Qoyunlu means "Black-Sheep" and Ağ-Qoyunlu means "White-Sheep" in Azeri Turkish. Their capital was Tabriz. Most likely, the language they spoke was today's Azeri Turkish, as Shah Ismail's native language was Azeri Turkish and he descendet from Ağ-Qoyunlu.

Kara Koyunlu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Aq Qoyunlu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Safavids, with their capital in Tabriz. Safavid court and military language was Azeri Turkish. The founder of Safavid Empire, Shah İsmail, was also a poet in Azerbaijani language. He wrote 1400 verses in Azeri Turkish, in comparision to only 50 in Persian.

Qizilbash (Qızılbaş, meaning Red-Head in Azeri Turkish, refering to the red headgears they wore) consisted of Shia Turkoman tribes from Azerbaijan and Anatolia. The language Qizilbash used, I.E, the Safavid military langauge, was Azeri Turkish. Military titles was also in Azeri Turkish. For instance, after reforms of Shah Abbas, new military units were created, like Topchu (Topçu) and Tufengchi (Tüfəngçi), which means artillerymen and musketeer in Azeri Turkish.

It is estimated that during Safavid rule 1,200 Azerbaijani words entered Persian language

Safavid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Qajars. Qajars are the Kacarlu tribe, a branch of Azeri Turks. Qajar tribe still exist, they speak a dialect of Azeri Turkish.

Qajar dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Qajar dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and these are only some of the strong turkic empires - 16 turkic empires

Turkish presidential seal

Just some turkish empires

Great hunnic empire

Gokturk empire

Timurid empire

Mughal empire

Great seljuk empire

Ottoman empire - 1299-1922

Let me make you clear about Mughals. Mughals were Chughtai Turks. Babur wrote his autobiography in Chughtai Turkish language but later on it was translated into Persian language. Babur's grandson "Akbar the Great" married local Indian princess and thus Indianized themselves, although Persian remain the court language. They patronized Persian literature, Urdu languages developed because of Persian influence and little Turkic influence, even the music Mughals patronized was Persian.

In really there is nothing Turkic in Turkic legacy in India and Pakistan, its mostly Persian.

yh you know nothing , urdu word even comes from ordu which means army in turkic because in turkic empires in india because their was so much different ethnicities in the army .

The word Urdu is derived from the same Turkish word that has given English horde. Urdu arose in the contact situation which developed from the invasions of the Indian subcontinent by Turkic dynasties from the 11th century onwards,[19] first as Sultan Mahmud of the Ghaznavid empire conquered Punjab in the early 11th century, then when the Ghurids invaded northern India in the 12th century, and most decisively with the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate.

 

[INDIC]

@Grand-Vizier, Turkic people were conquered by Persian culture. Turks first borrowed Persian culture, soon entering in my country put universities, libraries and Temples on fire. The Great Nalanda University was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji.

Word Urdu is derived from the sentence,"zabaan e Urdu e muallah"

 

[stuka-j87]

Great hunnic empire

Gokturk empire

These are not really empires .they are confederations of different nomads tribes that are very far from the meaning of empire! even still there is a big controversy among historian about the origin of the Huns! the real turkic empire began with Seljuq.

 

[Grand-Vizier]

@Grand-Vizier, Turkic people were conquered by Persian culture. Turks first borrowed Persian culture, soon entering in my country put universities, libraries and Temples on fire. The Great Nalanda University was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji.

Word Urdu is derived from the sentence,"zabaan e Urdu e muallah"

ohh i see your pain , you are upset of continous getting ruled , you should be happy we never looted you like your british masters. Im sure you love them because they looted you.

 

[Grand-Vizier]

These are not really empires .they are confederations of different nomads tribes that are very far from the meaning of empire! even still there is a big controversy among historian about the origin of the Huns! the real turkic empire began with Seljuq.

no seljuq was the turkic empire for the west turks , seljuk , ottoman and then the turkish republic is the same but just a change of regimes , this is said by murat bardakci a very famous turkish historian.

3 hour program about turks , this guy learnt chinese , russian , english , french , abit of persian . at 2.52 you can understand you dont need to understand turkish. he learnt all these languages so he can study turkic history from original sources e.g chinese sources from history.

its very long to explain all of it but he explains everything very detailed , about all turkic history and answers many questions .

 

[Serpentine]

Mods please close the thread.It has turned in to Turkish propaganda playground.
This Grand vizier or Ottoman-Turk is ruining every single thread in Iran and Turkish section.

 

[stuka-j87]

its very long to explain all of it but he explains everything very detailed , about all turkic history and answers many questions .

thanks , i will see

 

[TurAr]

I think there must be an agreement between Turkish and Iranian community in this forum to not bring Azeri Turk or Kurdish issues. I really want to learn something, and i'm reading the discussions here with the hope of maybe it might contribute my knowledge, but no, there is nothing other than baseless accusations from both sides.

So guys, lets not compare Turkey and Iran anymore. Both are great countries and nations other than their current regimes/governments.

Let's end this here, shall we?

 

[stuka-j87]

So guys, lets not compare Turkey and Iran anymore. Both are great countries and nations other than their current regimes/governments.

Let's end this here, shall we?

100 % agree

 

[revojam]

This thread is about iranin mullahs dont close it because of flame war , just ban the troublemakers.

 

[Azatavrear]

Armenians were influenced by Iranic people, but they r NOT iranic prople though.

That is true......the eleventh commandment was written by the blood of Armenians however Armenian and Persians history together goes too far back and our roots are way too deep to argue over such little things. Look at my Avatar, that is an Armenian chariot Archer in Persepolis.

Also, Azerbaijan was the name of a Persian province long before Turkish invasions and Azari meant you are from that part of Iran, many great Persian leaders came from there and nothing to do with Turks. The Turkic Azeris that the Turkish members here refer to are the long lost Turkified Iranian Azaris who now live in Stalins created Azerbaijan. Turks like to claim all Azeris as Turks in Persian history which is not true.

To be on topic I would guess there are more Iranians who support the regime than not.....I wonder what the percentage would be in Tehran though.

 

[bdslph]

IRan is democratic country no need to follow Imams
Imams in IRAN dont force ppl to follow

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Note that others can easily steal your history too (though we don't want because we already have a great one). For instance, based on these reasons I can argue Turk history is part of Persian history: Turks were Islamized by Persians, Turkish (particularly Ottoman Turkish) culture, from many aspects, is copy'n'paste of Persian culture, majority of Ottoman Turkish words were borrowed from Persian, many Turkish Sultans had Persian names (Khurram Sultan, Mihrimah, Mihrishah, Gul-jemal, you name it), etc.
Akkoyunlus and Karakoyunlus were a bunch of uncivilized nomads. Seljuk, Afshariye and Timurid dynasties were totally Persianized and their language were Persian as well. Btw, Shah Ismail was not Turkic, other Safavids were Azeri-speaking though, but all of them were quite pro-Iranian.

Too many posts to answer, I reply to yours only. Ottoman Turkish is partially Turkish, partially Persian, partially Arabic language. There are development stages in Ottoman Turkish language. From 16th century till 19th century, we are seeing strong Persian influence in Ottoman court, while Shah Ismail spoke plain Turkish. Safavids were speaking Turkish, not Azeri. It is a word invented much later. You may try to steal whatever you want from Turks. Good luck. Seljuks, Afshars and Timurids are Asian originated dynasties. People were Turkic speaking, but the court were speaking Turkic language with Persian loan words.

Nevertheless, You talk about civilization. Do you think Iran has now civilization anymore? You are being ruled by Mullahs, Shia form of Islamic theocracy. Is that what you call Persian culture, civilization? Someone posts a thread called "nobody follows the line of Mullahs". When or if Mullahs go, what is gonna come? Shah regime? democracy? Persian nation-state? Dont make me laugh.

In case of Mullahs toppled, Do You think you can build an Iranian history without mentioning Turkish empires? Do you think you can build a secular society without giving rights to Turks of Iran, or Arabs of Khuzestan. Islam, Arabs and Turks are part of Iran, as well as Iran is part of Turkic geography and history.

And Seljuks were Turks, we have the honor of defeating East Roman empire. Do not try to steal it.