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Shah Ismail ? Does that bring anything to mind? Ottomans never fought persians because it was azeri turks unfortunately we fought against. ( Safavids)

All Academic historical source all over the world know the Safavid as a Persian empire not Turkic . The Safavid were Persian in every manner of their life. The never claim their self as Turks !

All Academic historical source and maps you see the Safavid empire is called : "Safavid Persian Empire " or" Safavid Persia" ! not Aafavid Turks or Safavid Azeri empire !

Ismail, Nadir Shah, Seljuks, Akkoyunlus, Karakoyunlus, Timurids

Have you ever thought why the Seljuk empire is called Turko-Persian Empire ?
Even the Seljuks were highly Persianized in terms of culture , Official language , and even clothing ! they came to the power by direct help of great Persian Families and the empire was managed by Persian Vazirs. Even they make a Pedigree and claim that they are Descendants of Sassanid Kings ! that is a reality ! Go and educate your self
 
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All Academic historical source all over the world know the Safavid as a Persian empire not Turkic . The Safavid were Persian in every manner of their life. The never claim their self as Turks !

All Academic historical source and maps you see the Safavid empire is called : "Safavid Persian Empire " or" Safavid Persia" ! not Aafavid Turks or Safavid Azeri empire !



Have you ever thought why the Seljuk empire is called Turko-Persian Empire ?
Even the Seljuks were highly Persianized in terms of culture , Official language , and even clothing ! they came to the power by direct help of great Persian Families and the empire was managed by Persian Vazirs. Even they make a Pedigree and claim that they are Descendants of Sassanid Kings ! that is a reality ! Go and educate your self

joker nobody says to seljuk persian empire , probably persians who got ruled by us , safavid empire was found by shah ismail a azeri turk , and the reason it might be called safavid persian empire , although i never heard anyone say that is because it was located in lands where persians lived for many years.
 
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joker nobody says to seljuk persian empire
nobody said Persian empire ! was Turko-Persian empire ! read history about Turko-Persian empires and Turko-Persian traditions !

found by shah ismail a azeri turk

The Ayyubid dynasty was found by Saladin which was a Kurdish and that doesn't make the Ayyubid dynasty a Kurdish dynasty!

The Ayyubid dynasty was a 100 % Arabic ! like Safavid that they were 100 Persian empire ! they never claim their self Turk.
they fallowed they way of Persian culture in every manner of their life
 
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every azeri turk claims safavid as turkic , while , its 100% clear that seljuks was a turkic empire with persian influence , not a turco-persian empire .

Read this

Was the safavids persian

No, not really! Safavids were Azerbaijanis.

They did choose Shia Islam and with the force of the sword killed and forced hitherto Sunni Iranians to convert to Shia Islam. The Bektashi Sufi Order…


which was widespread in the Ottoman Empire (because the majority of Ottoman Janissaries were Shia-Sufis). The Janissaries were the heavy armored infantry or Foot Knights of the Ottoman Empire. They did have cavalry brigades too, but the Sipahis (Turkish Nobles) and Ghulams (mostly from Persian stock) were the bulk of the Ottoman Heavy Cavalry. Something noteworthy is that the Janissaries cousins in Iran (Persia) under the Safavid Dynasty (Persian-Turkic Cousins of the Ottomans) were similar to the Sipahis and Ghulams in that they were like the Janissary, elite soliders, however they were mostly horsemen. The Safavids and Ottomans were literally cousins that were of Turkic origins but spoke Persian in their courts, just like the Mughals in India.

Their tekkes or “lodges” were all over Anatolia as well as the Balkans. Among it’s most prominent Ottoman followers were Ali Pasha and Hussein Gradascevic. The order had close ties with the Janissary Corps, which was the bulk of the Ottoman Army (predominantly Sunni government). Later, when the Ottoman Sipahis (armored Ottoman Knights mostly from the Turkish Sunni nobility) promoted the abolition of the Janissaries, the Bektashi order was banned throughout the Ottoman Empire.

The Battle of Chaldiran (also Chaldoran or Çaldıran) occurred on 23 August 1514 and ended with a decisive victory for the Ottoman Empire over the Safavids. As a result the Ottomans gained control over the eastern half of Anatolia. The Ottomans had a , better equipped army with experiance of European warfare tactics they had introduced and tested on their European borders while the Iranians relied mainly on ancient oriental tactics. The Iranian Shah Ismail I was wounded and almost captured in the conflict. Following the victory Ottomans captured Tabriz, and Safavids did not threaten them again for nearly a century. It also brought an end to the Alevi uprisings in Anatolia.

The Battle of Chaldiran demonstrated that firearms were a decisive factor in warfare.

The outcome at Chaldiran had many consequences. Perhaps most significantly, it established the border between the two empires, which remains the border between Turkey and Iran today. With the establishment of that border, Tabriz became a frontier city, uncomfortably close to the Ottoman enemy. That consideration would be a major factor in the decision to move the Safavid capital to Qazvin, in the mid-16th century, and finally to Isfahan, in central Persia, in 1598.

The Safavids made drastic domestic changes after the defeat at Chaldiran. The Safavids spoke a Turkic language but, following the loss of their Anatolian territories which formed the heartland of their Turkic support switched to Persian. The Safavid royal family also moved away from extreme, eschatological, Alevi sect and adopted Shia sect as the official religion of the empire – the position of the Shah as Mahdi being incompatible with the recent defeat . The Sunni majority of Iran was also forcibly converted to Shia while those, mostly qizilbash, who refused to abandon the previous worship of the Shah were executed.

Two Turkish Empires: The Ottoman Sunni Turks vs. Safavid Shia Turks « Sons of Sunnah
 
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Very funny Ottoman-Turk.I laughed a lot in the article and the source you provided.Just read a little of that site's articles.Their hatreds of Persians is so obvious that you should be blind not to see that.This is a Sunni extremist site.

Don't humiliate yourself more than this by providing these jokes to back your claim
 
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Shah Ismail was the grandson of Uzun Hasan, Sultan of Aq Qoyunlu. Aq Qoyunlu were from Bayindir tribe of Turkmens. So Shah Ismail had Turkish blood.

after a bit of research i found why it may be called safavid of persia is because it ruled persia the land.

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Very funny Ottoman-Turk.I laughed a lot in the article and the source you provided.Just read a little of that site's articles.Their hatreds of Persians is so obvious that you should be blind not to see that.This is a Sunni extremist site.

Don't humiliate yourself more than this by providing these jokes to back your claim

Muhammad Reza Pahlavis mother was also Azeri Turk, His wife Farah Diba was half Gilaki half Azeri. So Pahlavi Dynasty was Turk, wasn't it? - see it wasnt , even if it was turks it wasnt but safavids was clearly turk that ruled the land of persia.

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Very funny Ottoman-Turk.I laughed a lot in the article and the source you provided.Just read a little of that site's articles.Their hatreds of Persians is so obvious that you should be blind not to see that.This is a Sunni extremist site.

Don't humiliate yourself more than this by providing these jokes to back your claim

I aint humiliating , infact you are the one getting upset from facts but you seem to be no different from the anti-turks from iran , while there are some proper logical iranians on this forum.
 
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Shah Ismail was the grandson of Uzun Hasan, Sultan of Aq Qoyunlu. Aq Qoyunlu were from Bayindir tribe of Turkmens. So Shah Ismail had Turkish blood.

after a bit of research i found why it may be called safavid of persia is because it ruled persia the land.



Muhammad Reza Pahlavis mother was also Azeri Turk, His wife Farah Diba was half Gilaki half Azeri. So Pahlavi Dynasty was Turk, wasn't it? - see it wasnt , even if it was turks it wasnt but safavids was clearly turk that ruled the land of persia.



I aint humiliating , infact you are the one getting upset from facts but you seem to be no different from the anti-turks from iran , while there are some proper logical iranians on this forum.

Your level of ignorance has put every other one to shame.Ok everyone on this planet is Turk.
Now get out of this section,you have ruined every thread with Pan Turkic BS.Not a wonder even your Turkish mates denounce you.

I ask Mods again to ban this ID.He is Ottoman-Turk member who is already banned.This is his new profile.
 
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every azeri turk claims safavid as turkic

who are they ? history is not change by the people's opinion ! 500 years ago 100 % of people around the world thought that the Sun spin around the Earth ! so what people belive is absolutely not important in hisitory ! Students learn history around the world by reading the valid academic source not by opinion of people !

its 100% clear that seljuks was a turkic empire with persian influence , not a turco-persian empire .

read history in all academic source the seljuks empire called turco-persian empire. the turco-persian empires were empires which were ruled by turkic origin families and managed by Persians.

The Safavids spoke a Turkic language

the officail language of safavid were Persian .

I told you before :

The Ayyubid dynasty was found by Saladin which was a Kurdish and that doesn't make the Ayyubid dynasty a Kurdish dynasty!

The Ayyubid dynasty was a 100 % Arabic ! like Safavid that they were 100 Persian empire ! they never claim their self Turk.
they fallowed they way of Persian culture in every manner of their life
 
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persian and turkic they spoke turkic in court , military , religious dignatirous , mate ive read many academic things that say safavids were turkic rulers with also persians together but because of shah ismail its regarded as azeri , but ive never ever seen seljuks as turco-persian , it had elements of persian culture and language but check rulers , founders , and many other things are turks . Safavids are called the safavid dynasty. the thing you said is trying to say mughals wasnt turkic and indians claiming mughal their own empire becouse it was in indian continent which was created by babur descendants of timur who is turkic.
 
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The funny thing is you torks are trying to steal Iranian history by creating propaganda that likes of shah ismail and the others were torkish, they were iranic people. I undersatnd that you lowlife mongols who live in stolen lands have no history; that is fine, I have sympathy for you. but please don't try and steal Iranian history in daylight.

Armenia is our iranic brothers and we will always defend them again bunch of mongols.

Armenians were influenced by Iranic people, but they r NOT iranic prople though.
 
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armenians are already Aryan and they were one of our states till 100 years ago.

yes I know they r Indo-european group and Aryans, but they r NOT Iranic people. Armenian language is not part of Indo-Iranian language tree.
 
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yes I know they r Indo-european group and Aryans, but they r NOT Iranic people. Armenian language is not part of Indo-Iranian language tree.
being Aryan is a reason for us to be their friend.the same with azeris.
 
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The funny thing is you torks are trying to steal Iranian history by creating propaganda that likes of shah ismail and the others were torkish, they were iranic people. I undersatnd that you lowlife mongols who live in stolen lands have no history; that is fine, I have sympathy for you. but please don't try and steal Iranian history in daylight.

Armenia is our iranic brothers and we will always defend them again bunch of mongols.

You must be having problems , not knowing shah ismail was azeri turk is like claiming bush was ugandan

being Aryan is a reason for us to be their friend.the same with azeris.

mate azeris are turkish and this doesnt mean they cant be your friends but they are like one nation two state with us.
 
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Shah Ismail, Nadir Shah, Seljuks, Akkoyunlus, Karakoyunlus, Timurids, they are all part of Turkic history. Iran is part of Turkic world. :) It is not insult but reality. Get used to it.

Note that others can easily steal your history too (though we don't want because we already have a great one). For instance, based on these reasons I can argue Turk history is part of Persian history: Turks were Islamized by Persians, Turkish (particularly Ottoman Turkish) culture, from many aspects, is copy'n'paste of Persian culture, majority of Ottoman Turkish words were borrowed from Persian, many Turkish Sultans had Persian names (Khurram Sultan, Mihrimah, Mihrishah, Gul-jemal, you name it), etc.
Akkoyunlus and Karakoyunlus were a bunch of uncivilized nomads. Seljuk, Afshariye and Timurid dynasties were totally Persianized and their language were Persian as well. Btw, Shah Ismail was not Turkic, other Safavids were Azeri-speaking though, but all of them were quite pro-Iranian.
 
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