In Iran nobody follows the line of the Mullahs

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While I appreciate the resilience of Iran, what you've written about Turkey is pure bad taste and is not even objective.
If you look at the HDI chart, you will find all Western countries in the first 40. The only middle countries are Qatar and Libya.
And the reason is not their scientific achievment. Its oil.
Iran has one of the largest oil resources in the world. God has blessed them with this gift.
If Turkey compares with Iran in HDI without oil, then give them the due credit.

Firstly, look at GDP as a whole is stupid. It's better to look at GDP per captia PPP wise. The difference between Turkey and Iran is minimal. However, when ones looks at the HDI. Iran has a higher standard of living than Turkey and Iran would be considered more developed.

The sole reason Turkey even exports weaponry is due to the fact it isn't under sanctions and has access to western technology while Iran doesn't. Even that so, scientifically Iran is more advanced than Turkey and will eclipse Turkey in the coming years.

You cannot fault Iran for having Oil and Gas, even with this blessing. Unlike Turkey, Iran has fought a devastating war against Iraq, had a western imposed dictator and now has been facing sanctions since they choose to oust a dictator. Iran has planted the seed of success with its hard work and will power, while Turkey opted for a short cut which entailed in selling its soul and dignity.

No reason to be mad, all I stated was Turkey in this thread earlier was made out to be much better than Iran which its clearly not

 

[KingMamba]

Article written by some suckular western bootlicker and posted by an iranian islamophobic athiest living in netherlands says it all. A complete BS thread.

You really didn't pull any punches.

 

[Kamal_Jamal]

Don't compare other natural resources with oil. Many middle east countries are running only on oil.
Without oil and gas, Iran would have crippled under sanctions.
Whether Iran would still have had the same foreign policy? I don't know. But sanctions would have hurt many times more.

While I appreciate the resilience of Iran, what you've written about Turkey is pure bad taste and is not even objective.
If you look at the HDI chart, you will find all Western countries in the first 40. The only middle countries are Qatar and Libya.
And the reason is not their scientific achievment. Its oil.
Iran has one of the largest oil resources in the world. God has blessed them with this gift.
If Turkey compares with Iran in HDI without oil, then give them the due credit.

The sanctions wouldn't firstly exist if Iran didn't have Oil, so it's a two way street. You again cannot fault Iran for having Oil. It's like saying Britain would be nothing had it not been an Island and next to German in WW2. You are given advantages and disadvantages, and it's you chosen to use it wisely.

Please, historically and modernly Iran/Persian has always out shined Turkey/Ottoman in the science and technology field. But my post wasn't a attack on Turkey. Merely pointing out the view, Turkey isn't much better than Turkey if not at all.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Well a perso-turk allience would shatter SA. I hope if that happens both nations would benifit from.trade and energy demands. What would SA reaction would be if the iranians do indeed ecome secular and powerful economically? In your opinion.

I prefer Mullahs to Persians. Persians gonna support Kurds automatically, in case of getting power, which is highly nonprobable. In current situation, Iranian Turks have at least somewhat power using Shia cover.

Persians and Kurds are more a threat than Arabs. Those people are more eager to collaborate with Jews.

 

[Azatavrear]

I don't understand why people think Turkey has it "better" than Iran when it clearly doesn't. If Iran was a puppet state like Turkey and aligned itself with Western interest, Iran would surpass Turkey in every way imaginable. But unlike Turkey, Iran has honour and pride, and is an independent nation which has chosen it's own direction. Iran is being punished for choosing its own destiny.

Well said, no country (especially Turkey) or a none Iranian has the right or the moral high ground to dictate to Iran on how they should run their country....who the hell do they think they are....that is an insult. if anything they should learn from Iran's wisdom and stfu.

Any change in Iran must come from within Iran by Iranians if so desired by the Iranians. If other countries want to help all they got to do is to take the peaceful route (instead of warmongering) and open good and sincere relations with Iran, and in time more moderate Iranian leaders will emerge and their won't be any need for hardliners.

 

[Serpentine]

I prefer Mullahs to Persians. Persians gonna support Kurds automatically, in case of getting power, which is highly nonprobable. In current situation, Iranian Turks have at least somewhat power using Shia cover.

Persians and Kurds are more a threat than Arabs. Those people are more eager to collaborate with Jews.

Mr Paranoid strikes again.
Seriously,how old are you?Once you claimed you read a lot of books,I think you read fantasy and fairy books.
How does it feel being a racist?

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Mr Paranoid strikes again.
Seriously,how old are you?Once you claimed you read a lot of books,I think you read fantasy and fairy books.
How does it feel being a racist?

I am old enough to know geostrategy. Racism happens when one despises the other. I aint despising anyone. As Persians and Kurds defend their goals, i defend my own.

Can you bring something to discuss? Or are we gonna go with personal attacks?

 

[Serpentine]

I am old enough to know geostrategy. Racism happens when one despises the other. I aint despising anyone. As Persians and Kurds defend their goals, i defend my own.

Can you bring something to discuss? Or are we gonna go with personal attacks?

No personal attacks.I'm saying you are paranoid,and yes,you are.
Iran is not just about Persians,Iran belongs to whole Iranians.I don't know when you Turks want to get over It?Why do you think Iranians are danger to you?When we look at history,Ottomans were always a great danger to Iran more than danger of Iran to Ottomans.Get over it.Kurds are your problem.Iran has never helped Kurds or PKK.But Turkey hosts some Azeri separatist groups who none of them are even Iranian Azeris,isn't that a danger to us?

 

[Azatavrear]

Hahah top joker , i cant belive it a guy is saying Seljuk empire was persian that is funnier than anything. Its saying persian culture , so you are saying Alparslan is persian or others , even you know you are chatting total BS its like saying aztec empire was germans. Before in the other thread many persians even accepted that they have been ruled by Turks more than persians in the last 1000 years while so they dont get embarrased they tried to say it was influenced by persian , which is infact correct to an extent depending on which empire it was.

You Anatolian toork can learn alot from my Iranian Turkish friends.....You live on stolen lands, bask in an illusion of grandeur and proven to be a disgrace to Islam with your god ataturk and you think you can dictate Persians their history.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

No personal attacks.I'm saying you are paranoid,and yes,you are.
Iran is not just about Persians,Iran belongs to whole Iranians.I don't know when you Turks want to get over It?Why do you think Iranians are danger to you?When we look at history,Ottomans were always a great danger to Iran more than danger of Iran to Ottomans.Get over it.Kurds are your problem.Iran has never helped Kurds or PKK.But Turkey hosts some Azeri separatist groups who none of them are even Iranian Azeris,isn't that a danger to us?

What paranoid? All i said: If tomorrow USA attacks, topples Iranian regime, Turkey should be ready to protect Turkic bridge in Iran. And I am not sure Turkish government has that much brain. I dont wanna see a Persian entity and a Kurdish entity standing NeXT to eachother.

You started Talking about history now, i aint. Secondly, you say Iran belongs to whole Iranians. True today, but what about tomorrow? What If something like Syria happens to Iran?

 

[Serpentine]

What paranoid? All i said: If tomorrow USA attacks, topples Iranian regime, Turkey should be ready to protect Turkic bridge in Iran. And I am not sure Turkish government has that much brain. I dont wanna see a Persian entity and a Kurdish entity standing NeXT to eachother.

You started Talking about history now, i aint. Secondly, you say Iran belongs to whole Iranians. True today, but what about tomorrow? What If something like Syria happens to Iran?

Thanks to Turkey and other Arab regimes,Syria is in this situation.Iran will never be like Syria.
What do you mean protect Turkic bridge in Iran?Iranian Azeris will never allow Turkey to tell them what to do or not.They have much more love for their own country than Turkey or any other country.
What about tomorrow?Even if current govenment falls,The new state will still belong to Iranians.Nothing different.The era of Ultra nationalism has been ended years ago.But it seems you guys can't get over it.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Thanks to Turkey and other Arab regimes,Syria is in this situation.Iran will never be like Syria.
What do you mean protect Turkic bridge in Iran?Iranian Azeris will never allow Turkey to tell them what to do or not.They have much more love for their own country than Turkey or any other country.
What about tomorrow?Even if current govenment falls,The new state will still belong to Iranians.Nothing different.The era of Ultra nationalism has been ended years ago.But it seems you guys can't get over it.

I respect your opinion.

 

[revojam]

Stop this useless flame war , we were talking about mullahs of iran....

 

[Grand-Vizier]

The sanctions wouldn't firstly exist if Iran didn't have Oil, so it's a two way street. You again cannot fault Iran for having Oil. It's like saying Britain would be nothing had it not been an Island and next to German in WW2. You are given advantages and disadvantages, and it's you chosen to use it wisely.

Please, historically and modernly Iran/Persian has always out shined Turkey/Ottoman in the science and technology field. But my post wasn't a attack on Turkey. Merely pointing out the view, Turkey isn't much better than Turkey if not at all.

They are not tired of getting ruled by us and we are not tired of ruling them , today they are a desert with oil while we are a beatiful country visited by 31 million tourists and make modern weapons while their attack helicopter looks like a childrens built toy.

 

[Surenas]

They are not tired of getting ruled by us and we are not tired of ruling them , today they are a desert with oil while we are a beatiful country visited by 31 million tourists and make modern weapons while their attack helicopter looks like a childrens built toy.

You are so ignorant my friend. Read books or go travel, because that will take a lot of your prejudices away.