In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[waz]

The original poster's claim we're discussing here said:

"A lot of South "Hindus" are already converted and keep their Hindu name for caste benefits..."

I agree with that only in part. A lot of people have been saved here, definitely more rife in the south, this legendary Christian quest to harvest souls in India

A lot of them, a handful known to me even, seem to have kept their old surnames for some reason. It could be because of caste reasons, I really can't say for certain.

You can never tell a Christian from their first name here, they mostly, or in a lot of cases keep the traditional Indian Hindi one but they're George or Mascarenas or Godinho etc for surnames.

but then you have a Jagan Mohan Reddy, for example, who is a Christian.

There's also lots of casteism and internal Xtian hate flung toward their own lot, there's dissenters, non believers, elitists (purane converts)

also, things vary state to state, Keralite ones are different from goan ones, who are different from Mizoram and Manipur ones so there's that too.

Impossible to explain, these dynamics.. unless you've experienced them from close range for sustained durations. Too much diversity, but it's not a weakness.

It's hard, even for Indians to wrap their heads around how things might work in another part of the country, the inner workings of a whole community that is different from them.

Jai !

Thanks for the informative post, I learnt a lot.

 

[crankthatskunk]

The "Hindu" nation is a myth.
55% population cannot rule over 45% by imposing their superiority and hegemony.
Killing them.

Hindutva is "Nazism" in another garb.

 

[Crixus]

Atleast muslims change their names ...christians are more decptive . During YSR time was not much in news getting a job was priority..............

Why ?

His father YSR Reddy was a christian too. Ex-CM of Andhra Pradesh.

Jagan Mohan Reddy's Brother in Law "Anil Kumar" is one of the Biggest and Richest christian missionary in India. Conversion is quite literally his Family Business.

https://newsmeter.in/ap-cms-brother-in-law-anil-kumar-in-vizag-to-spread-message-of-god/

Visakhapatnam: Chief Minister YS Jaganmohan Reddy’s brother-in-law Anil Kumar visited parts of Vizag Agency for evangelization.

Fifty year-old evangelist Brother Anil Kumar visited Paderu and few other places in Vizag Agency and explained teachings of gospel to the congregation of pastors .

Participating as chief guest at `Daiva Sevakula Sadassu’ (Pastors Meeting), organized by Love and Care organization at Paderu, Brother Anil Kumar said he visited parts of Vizag Agency to spread God’s message to the people.

There was a huge turnout at Brother Anil Kumar’s meeting. Brother Anil Kumar said all the people are brothers and sisters of God and they should follow His way of life for peace.

Brother Anil Kumar extorted all the pastors in Vizag Agency to spread the message of love and peace. He also presented copies of Bible, clothes to pastors and other people.

Jaganmohan Reddy and his family are Christians. Anil Kumar, who was born to Hindu Brahmin parents, converted to Christianity after his marriage to Jagan’s sister YS Sharmila in 1995.

Araku Vally MLA Setti Phalguna, Paderu MLA K Bhagyalakshmi and few other leaders and activists of YSR Congress Party also attended Brother Anil Kumar’s meeting at Paderu.

The YSR Congress Party leaders said Brother Anil Kumar visited different villages of Andhra Pradesh to spread the message of God.

 

[Sharma Ji]

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

and have you read the Islamic "manifesto" ?

I'm skating on thin ice now, so you can make a snarky remark and we can be done with it.

do elaborate a bit more on this so called "demand to subjugate Muslims and crush them" agenda of the Hindutva people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

According to the Indian census of 2011, old if you think about it.

16.6% belongs to "Schedule Castes" a reference to "Dalits" in official terms.
8.6% "Schedule Tribes"
15% Muslims
2% Sikhs
3% Christians

That's makes it 44% to 45% of population who are not Hindus.

From where the figure of 80% Hindu's population came from!!

55 + 16.6 + 8.6 = 80.2

It's all done with mirrors. That is why it is so gross an imposition.

You obviously have not been reading enough, or understand enough what exactly a Hindu Rashtra entails. You think it will be like any other republic in the world with just Hinduism as an official state religion.

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

They jest at scars that never felt a wound.

 

[Longhorn]

Don't see why an officially Hindu India will not be a democratic, liberal, secular tolerant country.

Where is the conflict ?

It's just a title anyway, we're already a Hindu nation. Not even religious here but India's identity, and what defines it is the old spiritual tradition of the land, Hinduism.

Actually matters little if a government ever officially makes a declaration of the place being a "Hindu Rashtra"

This doesn't even have to be political, it's just common sense. Most people associate India with it's unique culture and traditions and heritage. This place has also successfully absorbed foreign traditions such as the Abrahamic ones, gave refuge to the Zoroastrians, and sprouted a few new ones and offshoots like Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism along the way.

They can keep calling it Hindustan or make an official change, who cares ?

You are right, a name doesn't matter.
However, I would posit that a country where Hindu mobs can force people of minority religions to chant " jai Shri Ram" with impunity, is not going the way of democracy, secularism, liberalism or tolerance.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You obviously have not been reading enough, or understand enough what exactly a Hindu Rashtra entails. You think it will be like any other republic in the world with just Hinduism as an official state religion.

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

What impressed me was the massive ignorance displayed by them. It is this ignorance that gives them the illusion that their path is the right one.

You can never tell a Christian from their first name here, they mostly, or in a lot of cases keep the traditional Indian Hindi one but they're George or Mascarenas or Godinho etc for surnames.

but then you have a Jagan Mohan Reddy, for example, who is a Christian.

@xeuss

See what I mean?

 

[Sharma Ji]

They jest at scars that never felt a wound.

They should bleed a lot

for whom they knew naught.


3/10 milega ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

The "Hindu" nation is a myth.
55% population cannot rule over 45% by imposing their superiority and hegemony.
Killing them.

Hindutva is "Nazism" in another garb.

They didn't, until recently, thanks to electoral demographics.

They should bleed a lot

for whom they knew naught.


3/10 milega ?

-3, perhaps.

 

[fitpOsitive]

You obviously have not been reading enough, or understand enough what exactly a Hindu Rashtra entails. You think it will be like any other republic in the world with just Hinduism as an official state religion.

If you carefully study Hindutva, it is nothing more than a demand to subjugate primarily Muslims and Islam. If you look at their manifestos, every agenda and policy is about Muslims and how to crush them. I find it ludicrous you are willingly endorsing such a call.

I understand many things, but just because someone intends something, I can not deny their basic rights.
BTW, many people intended many things about Pakistan and Muslims, and here we are, and there they were.

Just for clarity, when did Pakistani Muslims oppose the idea of india becoming a hindu nation?

Never.
But see, our prime minister was shouting about something in UN. I seriously didn't liked that. We are after all neighbors.

Did that Imran Hosein throw up in you or something?

See, in whole of this platform, only you cought me there.
You are special indeed.

 

[Sharma Ji]

-3, perhaps.

of whom they knew naught ?

humey bhi sikhao na, pleej.

 

[Joe Shearer]

of whom they knew naught ?

humey bhi sikhao na, pleej.

Quote please.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Do you know what percentage of population of India is

a- Dalit
b- Jains
c- Sikhs

79.somthing is Hindu, that's all I know. And there is an uproar of what I am advocating here.
So, it will be better now that Indian govt is holding a poll in India, and if majority says yes, then I will say, go ahead. There is no harm in it for Pakistan. And trust me on that. Pakistan k liay khair hi khair hai is main.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Good points for Pakistan with an extremist Hindutva India as a neighbor.

-Even not officially declared a Hindutva, suddenly India is getting all the bad vibes in intl' press, social media...an intolerant Hindu nationalist BJP/Modi, a fascist state, vibes of ideology of hate, bigotry, majoritarian supremacist state and what not...all in intl' press like WSJ, the Telegraph, NYT, hundreds more...so all this goes in favor of Pakistan....Shhhh, don't tell this to the Hundutvadis, let them go full throttle ahead.


-Suddenly Pakistan is looking to be tolerant, inclusive to quite an extent, less bigoted country than India, Pakistan was always a more tolerant society, but the intl' media and the western/Indian lobbies painted a lopsided picture of Pakistan, now that has changed drastically.

-It will be good for Pakistan, Indian ideologue that since India is secular and that there are 200 million muslims in India, than why a separate Muslim nation Pakistan was needed, and the reason India never accepted Pakistan...that will be quashed.

-It will give weight and authenticity to the two nation theory....lots of good points for Pakistan and India too.

Many more positives for Pakistan.

 

[Jackdaws]

USA says "In God we Trust" ; not a Christian God. Any politician in India can declare his faith. And this stupidity Hindutva brigade will end sooner rather than later. 5-7 more years.