In favor of Hindutva; by a Pakistani muslim

[fitpOsitive]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.
At the time of partition, muslims were 23% of the total population, yet they demanded a separate country. My forefathers supported that idea, I also stick to it.
However, Hindus were 76 percent, and even today, they are 80%(if I may consider bodh, jains as Hindus as well) in India. And yet they are not allowed to declare India as a Hindu country.

My question is why not?

If USA can write : In god(christian god) we trust, why can't a Hindu do the same? If top leadership in USA and Germany and even in Russia today declares themselves Christians, Pakistan and Iran can use the name Islamic republic, why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic?

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

Individual thoughts please.
@Joe Shearer dont kill me for my thoughts, but I really think that Hindus are victim here.
@Nilgiri @pothead @Soumitra @jamahir

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.

You don't sound crazy. Just hostile to the idea of a secular nation, that demands that religion should not determine the rights of our citizens.

 

[pothead]

Well, the ship has long sailed.
I doubt Hindus are even 70% in India as of today.

A lot of South "Hindus" are already converted and keep their Hindu name for caste benefits...

 

[fitpOsitive]

You don't sound crazy. Just hostile to the idea of a secular nation, that demands that religion should not determine the rights of our citizens.

But Majority is demanding Hindutva country.

 

[Joe Shearer]

My question is why not?

Very simple. Our question is - why? What have the others done to deserve being put in the second class of citizenship?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Very simple. Our question is - why? What have the others done to deserve being put in the second class of citizenship?

Yeah that I was also thinking. Hindutva shouldn't mean that all others are second class citizens.

 

[Joe Shearer]

why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic

We Indians decided, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, most prominently, the Parsis. Nobody is pushed by declaring ourselves as secular; what disadvantages do Hindus suffer? What is this laughable assumption of victimhood? Other than push other faiths down, what does that achieve?

 

[Gadkari]

Well, I may sound crazy, but yes, I fully support the idea of constitution of a Hindu national country in our neighborhood.
At the time of partition, muslims were 24% of the total population, yet they demanded a separate country. My forefathers supported that idea, I also stick to it.
However, Hindus were 85 percent, and even today, they are 80% in India. And yet they are not allowed to declare India as a Hindu country.

My question is why not?

If USA can write : In god(christian god) we trust, why can't a Hindu do the same? If top leadership in USA and Germany and even in Russia today declares themselves Christians, Pakistan and Iran can use the name Islamic republic, why only Hindu is pushed to declare themselves as secular? Why can't Hindus also write Hindu republic or Sanatana Republic?

I kick this bigotry and superlative hypocrisy. In my humble opinion, Hindus reserve full right to declare India as Hindus Rashtra.

Individual thoughts please.
@Joe Shearer dont kill me for my thoughts, but I really think that Hindus are victim here.
@Nilgiri @pothead @Soumitra @jamahir

India is already a Hindu country.

The problem is that the lot you mentioned just do not want to admit it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

We Indians decided, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, most prominently, the Parsis. Nobody is pushed by declaring ourselves as secular; what disadvantages do Hindus suffer? What is this laughable assumption of victimhood? Other than push other faiths down, what does that achieve?

And sense of country being a home country.

India is already a Hindu country.

The problem is that the lot you mentioned just do not want to admit it.

Yes, but Hindutva concept is not yet completely applied, yes?

 

[Joe Shearer]

But Majority is demanding Hindutva country.

Count again. 39% is the majority? What do you say about the views of the 61% who didn't want this to be a Hindu country, but a country where Hindus live with their head held high? Like the Muslims? Why do I need to put down @jamahir, or @xeuss, or @Naofumi, or @Mad Scientist 2.0, or @AfrazulMandal to prove my self-worth?

Who's next? The Sikhs? They've already been given the treatment, and the entire nation came out stinking due to that. Should we wallow in that shit once again?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Count again. 39% is the majority? What do you say about the views of the 61% who didn't want this to be a Hindu country, but a country where Hindus live with their head held high? Like the Muslims? Why do I need to put down @jamahir, or @xeuss, or @Naofumi, or @Mad Scientist 2.0, or @AfrazulMandal to prove my self-worth?

Who's next? The Sikhs? They've already been given the treatment, and the entire nation came out stinking due to that. Should we wallow in that shit once again?

What is this 39%? Voters of BJP?

 

[Kabira]

India was always hindutva nation. Even Congress was just pseudo secular. But current BJP is nazi like party. Muslims were 2nd class citizens under Congress rule but now millions of them will become stateless and end up in concentration camps being build all over India.

 

[Gadkari]

Yes, but Hindutva concept is not yet completely applied, yes?

They are applied, but not implemented.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Yeah that I was also thinking. Hindutva shouldn't mean that all others are second class citizens.

I am afraid you are mixing Hindu and Hindutva...yes there are similarities.

So, Is Hinduism and Hindutva the Same Thing?
Unlike Hinduism, the word ‘Hindutva’ didn’t come into popular discourse until 1923. It was coined by V.D. Savarkar in his text. For him, ‘Hindutva’ wasn’t the same as Hinduism. It had nothing to do with the practices and beliefs of the religion, but was only concerned with the political domination of the Hindus. Given this, it can be said that Hinduism and Hindutva are not the same, but they aren’t contradictory either. What Hinduism does in the social lives of the people, Hindutva does so in the political life. Hindutva is an ideology of Brahminical supremacy, and to achieve that goal, the best tool is to practice the religion of Hinduism.

https://feminisminindia.com/2020/02/10/hinduism-vs-hindutva-distinction-convenience/

 

[Gadkari]

I am afraid you are mixing Hindu and Hindutva...yes there are similarities.

So, Is Hinduism and Hindutva the Same Thing?
Unlike Hinduism, the word ‘Hindutva’ didn’t come into popular discourse until 1923. It was coined by V.D. Savarkar in his text. For him, ‘Hindutva’ wasn’t the same as Hinduism. It had nothing to do with the practices and beliefs of the religion, but was only concerned with the political domination of the Hindus. Given this, it can be said that Hinduism and Hindutva are not the same, but they aren’t contradictory either. What Hinduism does in the social lives of the people, Hindutva does so in the political life. Hindutva is an ideology of Brahminical supremacy, and to achieve that goal, the best tool is to practice the religion of Hinduism.

https://feminisminindia.com/2020/02/10/hinduism-vs-hindutva-distinction-convenience/

There is a Supreme court ruling that says its the same thing.

And that puts an end to that argument.