Imran Khan's two major demands in jail

[Communism]

You’re right that he doesn’t know how to play the political game, as the PM or how to manage the ebbs and flows of parliamentary democracy. What he is good at was exposing the decade of rot across the board in our system, which is part of why many of the elite are pushing back. The first part of solving a problem (such as IK supposedly pausing not stop some CPEC projects, to read the fine print, if I remember correctly) was stopping the bleeding; the unsustainable projects, especially in the wake of COVID.

It’s not just that he is a novice, but his team around him seemed to be winging it. I got to meet and watch Zulfi Bukhari at Columbia University in 2019 when Wajahat Khan was co-moderating a panel with Indian media and I watched Wajahat’s face sink in disappointment when Zulfi started making emotional arguments.

I think IK wanted to govern the country similar to how it is done in a presidential system. According to Ayesha Siddiqa, IK only came to parliament 3 times.

When he ordered the dissolving of the provincial assemblies it was to trigger elections, but the system didn’t follow its own rules either. They way “they” have handled this was also overly harsh. It makes it seem no one knows how to handle this situation. That is also the ugly truth, and “they” have decades of experience, you would have thought they could have done it with more decorum, not smash through a window and grab a former PM like a thug off the street.

Frankly, if we had a real bottom up meritocratic democracy, not based on who you know, we could have produced better candidates for our elected leaders, but we are only given a few choices from amongst the elite. They made IK into what he is today. Once by letting him build up his corruption fighting and charity raising platform, through the 2010s, and then by allowing horse trading to not let him complete his term. Pakistanis know they have a parliamentary democracy but want to see their elected prime minister complete their 5 year term, so perhaps most people want a presidential system.

So now we are at an impasse. A large portion of the population trust only him, and if not him only the PTI. Crushing IK and the PTI will create many disaffected people amongst the spectrum, particularly amongst people with the skills and financing, that if willing to re-invest in the country, including but not limited to remittances, would raise foreign invested confidence and boost FDI. ~$28 Billion invest from the GCC will only support the economy over the next 3-5 years, in the same way $30 billion so far from CPEC over the last 10 years only grew the economy so much. The amount lost in remittances from overseas Pakistanis is more than what foreigners are willing to loan. I have personal acquaintances that live on Central Park East, here in New York, that fled after Bhuttos nationalization, then their companies were confiscated (he might be a member of one of the “22 families”). Even under IK they didn’t go back in a big way, as far as I know. They want real reforms and know Pakistan can be a faster growing market then the US. But if real reforms are not done, by 2028, We will be back to where we are today if not worse off.

Most countries have risen on the basis of cheap loans from local investors and FDI on the most favorable terms. Local and overseas Pakistani investors need to be attracted to productive industries.

That is why IMHO, IK as the next President would work, if coupled with a coalition government (perhaps with the self proclaim left wing PPP) focused on the economy but also improving social services, and carry out serious reforms. Perhaps even with Bilawal as the PM and SMQ can return as FM. Under this kind of government, Bilawal can make a name for himself and he and his party will have an incentive to improve governance in Sindh, Karachi, and Southern Punjab.

Having a left wing government will also help Pakistan pivot to a more “liberal” mindset if “they” hold them accountable to it, which could help pivot Pakistan’s international image.

This is not about loyalty to one party, but realpolitik and the stability of the nation within the confines of having something like a real democracy. (I tried to support PML-N when they were in power between 2013-2018 in hopes they would focus on water management, but when they showed no real interest and the PTI did, I began to support the PTI).

IMHO, this maybe the best way to move past this impasse, considering the various interest groups. PML-N can sit out the next 5 years in opposition and get a chance to come back in 2028 without facing much of the backlash for the needed reforms for come. In this way, most people could regain some level of trust in the national institutions … if and only if major reforms and tax changes are carried out.

It really comes down to carrying out those reforms but also improving social services and growing the economy so we can grow out of our mess (the population is expected to grow 60% over the next 30 years, our demographic dividend). We also need to stop saying everything is a part of CPEC (as was done with the Japanese funded Fort Munro Steel Bridge) and diversify our infrastructure projects with other countries particularly in the west where many of the diaspora live and can be of best use. More transparent western investments (funded by overseas Pakistanis and foreign investors) could have a built in export market access. Also, with improvements in rule of law, you will attract the best and brightest to come teach at Pakistani universities or help raise crop yields 2-3x fold as caretaker IT minister Umar Saif hopes to do.

So reconcile with the majority of the population’s aspirations and make the reforms (taxing the rich and cutting subsidies to unproductive industries) and attract investment into productive industries and not the real estate circus of plot trading on paper.

P.s. I never really watched cricket, so I didn’t care much that IK won the World Cup, only that it’s was a merit based win. Second, Pakistan is where india was 30 years ago, but if we learn the lessons from their experience, we could grow just as fast if not faster and catch up to them. No keeping up to regional health and education standards has us losing over 100,000 children to an early death unnecessarily and having our workers become uncompetitive, even when they go abroad.

2nd P.S. IK’s team failed in a lot of the execution and/or just maintaining what had already been built up.
1:41:00

Pakistan's only source of foreign funds are either


1: U.S. bribes to have full control over government policy.


2: Brotherly GCC/Saudi Money with very few strings attached at extremely subsidized rates.


3: Chinese Money with nearly zero strings attached at extremely subsidized rates.


The reason why you don't see other countries investing is because no one trusts Pakistan at all.


You are still peddling the Washington Narrative from the Trump Era, as your prophet, Imran Khan, was a Trump Administration appointee.


Hopefully the current technocrat setup that is clearly blessed by Washington can move the narrative forwards in PTI circles from at least the Trump Administration Narrative (Largely copied from the Indian Narrative), to the Biden Administration Narrative (That Pakistan needs to selectively default on Chinese loans, despite the fact that the reason Pakistan's percent of Chinese loans is increasing is due to the fact that Chinese loans are the most subsidized and apply the least force to the Pakistani leadership, therefore are the last to be paid back, as one pays back higher interest loans first).


Hopefully Pakistan bans all parties that are U.S. puppets, like Imran Khan and PTI, so that it can focus on development instead of being held hostage to geopolitics.


The U.S.'s preferred leader is obviously Imran Khan though, which is why every single CIA/Western backed media outlet is backing and has always backed Imran Khan.


The U.S.'s plan is to use Imran Khan as an Erdogan-like figure.


A Fake Anti-American that is under the full control of Washington.


Hopefully the COAS Asim Munir is able to protect PML(N) from U.S. machinations before the elections.


It's pretty clear that Nawaz Sharif and PML(N) is the only patriotic party in Pakistan that has any chance of developing Pakistan.


Imran Khan/PTI is intentionally incompetent (on U.S. orders), whose goal is to bankrupt Pakistan to force Pakistan to selectively default on Chinese loans and then be stuck under the direct U.S. control through a colonial viceroy (Either Imran Khan or his chosen COAS).


PPP/Bhutto is probably unintentionally incompetent and will end up serving a similar purpose.


If Pakistan is unlucky and gets a U.S. puppet COAS after Asim Munir's term is up, then Pakistan might be stuck in the same dilemma.

 

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan's only source of foreign funds are either


1: U.S. bribes to have full control over government policy.


2: Brotherly GCC/Saudi Money with very few strings attached at extremely subsidized rates.


3: Chinese Money with nearly zero strings attached at extremely subsidized rates.


The reason why you don't see other countries investing is because no one trusts Pakistan at all.


You are still peddling the Washington Narrative from the Trump Era, as your prophet, Imran Khan, was a Trump Administration appointee.


Hopefully the current technocrat setup that is clearly blessed by Washington can move the narrative forwards in PTI circles from at least the Trump Administration Narrative (Largely copied from the Indian Narrative), to the Biden Administration Narrative (That Pakistan needs to selectively default on Chinese loans, despite the fact that the reason Pakistan's percent of Chinese loans is increasing is due to the fact that Chinese loans are the most subsidized and apply the least force to the Pakistani leadership, therefore are the last to be paid back, as one pays back higher interest loans first).


Hopefully Pakistan bans all parties that are U.S. puppets, like Imran Khan and PTI, so that it can focus on development instead of being held hostage to geopolitics.


The U.S.'s preferred leader is obviously Imran Khan though, which is why every single CIA/Western backed media outlet is backing and has always backed Imran Khan.


The U.S.'s plan is to use Imran Khan as an Erdogan-like figure.


A Fake Anti-American that is under the full control of Washington.


Hopefully the COAS Asim Munir is able to protect PML(N) from U.S. machinations before the elections.


It's pretty clear that Nawaz Sharif and PML(N) is the only patriotic party in Pakistan that has any chance of developing Pakistan.


Imran Khan/PTI is intentionally incompetent (on U.S. orders), whose goal is to bankrupt Pakistan to force Pakistan to selectively default on Chinese loans and then be stuck under the direct U.S. control through a colonial viceroy (Either Imran Khan or his chosen COAS).


PPP/Bhutto is probably unintentionally incompetent and will end up serving a similar purpose.


If Pakistan is unlucky and gets a U.S. puppet COAS after Asim Munir's term is up, then Pakistan might be stuck in the same dilemma.

There were many good people in the PML-N led government, when he was the CM of Punjab. But many of these deals being signed had no pathway for sustainability. The IPPs for example have no link to re-industrialization promised in CPEC phase 2.

IK is no agent of the US. If anything, he has no friends internationally, and thought he could run the country from within our own resources. His fault was his naïveté and his black and white mindset while his team were not prepared to govern. IK did come in at a key time to close out the Afghan war, for which he was well suited to deal with Trump, and he could be STILL useful in dealing with the Afghans to make a lasting peace on the western border.

He is also not a puppet of the US, because “they” wanted him to meet Putin in a meeting set up by China, to secure national interests, and IK paid the price for it. When it came to modernization, IK agreed that a Pakistan should follow the Chinese model and always pointed to how China raised hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

As you said, Pakistan is dependent on Western, GCC, or Chinese money. But this is because we have burdened ourselves with debts we can’t pay back and aren’t taxing our non-productive wealthy approximately to the level of their consumption.

What the technocratic setup has to achieve is good economics first and foremost, but not at the expense of any long term national interests. Which means they will have to try to maximize what they can do from within national tax revenue.

The other benefit, if done correctly, is in a technocratic government the best people can be recruited like Umar Saif, outside of politics and potential harassment of organization like NAB.

The fundamental issue is the best people don’t get to rise or stay on a meritocratic basis.

2:16:30 (in the Umar Saif interview in the earlier post); people have a shortcut mindset in Pakistan

But, a technocratic government is also a shortcut, as local talent will not grow from the ground up and the common man’s aspirations won’t be heard. The Chinese model may work for a time but huge gaps/alienation between the elite and regular man will grow to unsustainable levels. A democracy, if done right, can be the pressure release of the common man.

The reason many people want IK, is that, on a big picture level he will stand up for national interests, and try to Shepard programs that protect the poorest amongst us. A basic social safety net.

If they don’t want IK to return they have to do everything he was trying to accomplish and do it well, economically but also in terms of legal protections and civil liberties. But all this will be expensive, and will require raising taxes on the rich, initially until the economy can grow to pick up the slack.

If they can do it, and make it last, regardless of government, then I doubt IK will want to come back to the political circus and consider his mission accomplished. That’s probably what he is thinking in his jail cell in Attock.

 

[Communism]

There were many good people in the PML-N led government, when he was the CM of Punjab. But many of these deals being signed had no pathway for sustainability. The IPPs for example have no link to re-industrialization promised in CPEC phase 2.

IK is no agent of the US. If anything, he has no friends internationally, and thought he could run the country from within our own resources. His fault was his naïveté and his black and white mindset while his team were not prepared to govern. IK did come in at a key time to close out the Afghan war, for which he was well suited to deal with Trump, and he could be useful in dealing with the Afghans.

He is also not a puppet of the US, because “they” wanted him to meet Putin in a meeting set up by China, to secure national interests, and IK paid the price for it. When it came to modernization, IK agreed that a Pakistan should follow the Chinese model and always pointed to how China raised hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

As you said, Pakistan is dependent on Western, GCC, or Chinese money. But this is because we have burdened ourselves with debts we can’t pay back and aren’t taxing our non-productive wealthy approximately to the level of their consumption.

What the technocratic setup has to achieve is good economics first and foremost, but not at the expense of any long term national interests. Which means they will have to try to maximize what they can do from within national tax revenue.

The other benefit, if done correctly, is in a technocratic government the best people can be recruited like Umar Saif, outside of politics and potential harassment of organization like NAB.

The fundamental issue is the best people don’t get to rise or stay on a meritocratic basis.

2:16:30 (in the Umar Saif interview in the earlier post); people have a shortcut mindset in Pakistan

But, a technocratic government is also a shortcut, as local talent will not grow from the ground up and the common man’s aspirations won’t be heard. The Chinese model may work for a time but huge gaps/alienation between the elite and regular man will grow to unsustainable levels. A democracy, if done right, can be the pressure release of the common man.

The reason many people want IK, is that, on a big picture level he will stand up for national interests, and try to Shepard programs that protect the poorest amongst us. A basic social safety net.

If they don’t want IK to return they have to do everything he was trying to accomplish and do it well, economically but also in terms of legal protections and civil liberties. But all this will be expensive, and will require raising taxes on the rich, initially until the economy can grow to pick up the slack.

If they can do it, and make it last, regardless of government, then I doubt IK will want to come back to the political circus and consider his mission accomplished. That’s probably what he is thinking in his jail cell in Attock.

You post lots of "imran khan wanted to do".


I form my analysis on what actually happened, not democratic populist political claptrap.


Imran Khan was clearly a Trump Administration Appointee that the Pakistani Military Establishment thought they could use to trade CPEC with the U.S. for free money from the U.S..


This was the reason for the Pakistani Military Establishment's total complicity with the CIA Panama Papers Coup against Nawaz Sharif and PML(N) [Also because the Pakistani Military Establishment didn't like Nawaz Sharif for local political reasons as well]


Imran Khan was totally incompetent at that job, and Bajwa was trying franticly to get him out of office with a no confidence vote within the first year of Imran Khan coming into office, but the Pakistani Military Establishment had done too good a job at demonizing PML(N) and valorizing the now nearly total U.S. puppet Imran Khan.


The U.S. finally losing patience with Imran Khan finally gave Bajwa the leverage he needed to replace Imran Khan with Shehbaz Sharif, but it was too late.


Imran Khan had already destroyed Pakistan's economy to the point of requiring an IMF bailout, which means the Pakistani Military Establishment had to bow to the U.S. on many issues that the Pakistani Military Establishment didn't want to have to bow down on.


Asim Munir comes in, and has to clean up the Project Imran mess, and has to toe the line with the U.S. for now.


Asim Munir is clearly patriotic and wants to get Pakistan back to being able to have a more independent foreign policy.


I have faith that this last chance that Pakistan has with this current Technocratic Interim Government setup will do the trick, as it is literally Pakistan's last chance of gaining/regaining sovereignty.

 

[epebble]

He asked for english Quran because he can't read arabic Quran

Nothing wrong; most Christians can't read Latin or Greek bible. But why not Urdu Quran? can't he read Urdu well?

 

[FuturePAF]

You post lots of "imran khan wanted to do".


I form my analysis on what actually happened, not democratic populist political claptrap.


Imran Khan was clearly a Trump Administration Appointee that the Pakistani Military Establishment thought they could use to trade CPEC with the U.S. for free money from the U.S..


This was the reason for the Pakistani Military Establishment's total complicity with the CIA Panama Papers Coup against Nawaz Sharif and PML(N) [Also because the Pakistani Military Establishment didn't like Nawaz Sharif for local political reasons as well]


Imran Khan was totally incompetent at that job, and Bajwa was trying franticly to get him out of office with a no confidence vote within the first year of Imran Khan coming into office, but the Pakistani Military Establishment had done too good a job at demonizing PML(N) and valorizing the now nearly total U.S. puppet Imran Khan.


The U.S. finally losing patience with Imran Khan finally gave Bajwa the leverage he needed to replace Imran Khan with Shehbaz Sharif, but it was too late.


Imran Khan had already destroyed Pakistan's economy to the point of requiring an IMF bailout, which means the Pakistani Military Establishment had to bow to the U.S. on many issues that the Pakistani Military Establishment didn't want to have to bow down on.


Asim Munir comes in, and has to clean up the Project Imran mess, and has to toe the line with the U.S. for now.


Asim Munir is clearly patriotic and wants to get Pakistan back to being able to have a more independent foreign policy.


I have faith that this last chance that Pakistan has with this current Technocratic Interim Government setup will do the trick, as it is literally Pakistan's last chance of gaining/regaining sovereignty.

Pakistan’s economy was already destroyed when IK came into office. It was limping along during IK’s term because the debt incurred under the PML-N (and previous governments) were unsustainable. He had no room to maneuver, that’s where the “he wanted” to do came from. What’s the point of having a democratic government if you can’t have programs to meet even the basic aspirations of the people.

At this point “they” are gonna do what they want to do and or have to do anyway to save the economy. Hopefully; they won’t do anymore shortcuts and will carry out real reforms. For the sake of the nation, let’s hope the technocratic government has some competent economists on board. Perhaps when the economy is back on track, we can talk about regaining our sovereignty, but for now at least “they” will be the face of their own decisions. No political party can be blamed for these decisions. The political parties can spend this time reflecting on what has occurred and how they can do better.

 

[Communism]

Pakistan’s economy was already destroyed when IK came into office. It was limping along during IK’s term because the debt incurred under the PML-N (and previous governments) were unsustainable. He had no room to maneuver, that’s where the “he wanted” to do came from. What’s the point of having a democratic government if you can’t have programs to meet even the basic aspirations of the people.

At this point “they” are gonna do what they want to do and or have to do anyway to save the economy. Hopefully; they won’t do anymore shortcuts and will carry out real reforms. For the sake of the nation, let’s hope the technocratic government has some competent economists on board. Perhaps when the economy is back on track, we can talk about regaining our sovereignty, but for now at least “they” will be the face of their own decisions. No political party can be blamed for these decisions. The political parties can spend this time reflecting on what has occurred and how they can do better.

Total bullshit.


I'm an investor in Pakistani equities.


I'm an American, not a Pakistani.


Pakistani Democratic Populist Political Claptrap is certainly not going to work on me.


I know what the actual economic data says, don't even try to bullshit me about what Imran Khan did economically.

 

[FuturePAF]

Total bullshit.


I'm an investor in Pakistani equities.


I'm an American, not a Pakistani.


Pakistani Democratic Populist Political Claptrap is certainly not going to work on me.


I know what the actual economic data says, don't even try to bullshit me about what Imran Khan did economically.

If it was all hunky dory under NS, why did the nation have to go to the IMF nearly right after his government ended in 2018. I never said the economy was booming under IK, I said it was limping along, and remember Covid was no help either.

As for the “populist political claptrap”, what sense is it to have a democratically elected government if they are just going to look after equities traders and not properly fund the services for common person. Pakistan might as well have an economically competent but autocratic government like in East Asia.

42:15-47:00
Umar Saif worked with Shabaz Sharif and is the now IT minister. Paraphrasing him; The disenfranchised youth don’t believe their lives have improved, not high has been done for them and 500,000 people turn 18 every month in Pakistan.

 

[Communism]

If it was all hunky dory under NS, why did the nation have to go to the IMF nearly right after his government ended in 2018. I never said the economy was booming under IK, I said it was limping along, and remember Covid was no help either.

As for the “populist political claptrap”, what sense is it to have a democratically elected government if they are just going to look after equities traders and not properly fund the services for common person. Pakistan might as well have an economically competent but autocratic government like in East Asia.

42:15-47:00
Umar Saif worked with Shabaz Sharif and is the now IT minister. The disenfranchised youth don’t believe their lives have improved.

Exactly.


The Pakistani Voter's Economic Preferences for Government Policy are totally suicidal.


They shouldn't really be allowed to vote until the GDP per capita is high enough for them to actually know what the hell they are doing.


If Nawaz Sharif had 100% of the vote and never got couped from 1990 till 2023, I am certain that Pakistan would have a higher GDP per capita than India right now.

 

[teX]

If it was all hunky dory under NS, why did the nation have to go to the IMF nearly right after his government ended in 2018. I never said the economy was booming under IK, I said it was limping along, and remember Covid was no help either.

As for the “populist political claptrap”, what sense is it to have a democratically elected government if they are just going to look after equities traders and not properly fund the services for common person. Pakistan might as well have an economically competent but autocratic government like in East Asia.

42:15-47:00
Umar Saif worked with Shabaz Sharif and is the now IT minister. The disenfranchised youth don’t believe their lives have improved.

Exactly.


The Pakistani Voter's Economic Preferences for Government Policy are totally suicidal.


They shouldn't really be allowed to vote until the GDP per capita is high enough for them to actually know what the hell they are doing.


If Nawaz Sharif had 100% of the vote and never got couped from 1990 till 2023, I am certain that Pakistan would have a higher GDP per capita than India right now.

Many jokers have joined pdf or suddenly turned jokers

 

[imadul]

I'm not much optimistic about future of country
People are loosing hope and future is looking dark

PTI was the last hope of people of Pakistan to bring a change after decades of disappointment from 2 dynastic families and military and they had a lot of expectations from PTI

Since the toppling of PTI government
You can see the anger frustration in people
They felt betrayed
But still there was hope to get PTI back in government

But after 9 may everyone who left PTI have been at hit list of PTI supporters

Doesn't matter which position he held in PTI government and PTI
If he tried to side with military or malign PTI or khan
He was brutally attacked by PTI supporters
Be it Asad Umar, pervez Khattak, fawad chaudhry or even Shireen mazari today


Right now
The public trusts only 1 person IMRAN AHMAD KHAN NIAZI
People's hopes are bounded to him

But if doesn't come back
Or took a U turn after his come back


There'll no hope or lead for people to follow
There'll be no one to trust

Then there'll be chaos in country

It is darkest before the dawn.
It is very dark and long night where evil running amok.
Traitor sadist army chief has crossed all limits to perpetuate his rule.

Unless army comes to an internal consensus like that of Aug 17, 1988.

 

[FuturePAF]

Exactly.


The Pakistani Voter's Economic Preferences for Government Policy are totally suicidal.


They shouldn't really be allowed to vote until the GDP per capita is high enough for them to actually know what the hell they are doing.


If Nawaz Sharif had 100% of the vote and never got couped from 1990 till 2023, I am certain that Pakistan would have a higher GDP per capita than India right now.

So there you go, you say the democratic aspirations of the people should take a back seat, until when? Who’s to say they will ever be met unless we have the right to vote out a party that isn’t performing.

The most growth will come from education. The million or so that can right now join the IT industry need training, as the IT minister himself points out in those two interviews. The large percentage of the rural residents can be trained to better manage their crops and increase yields 2-3x if coupled with loans.

If you want to control the population and maximize GDP per capita, find a way to adequately educate and employ men and women, so they will have marriages later and have fewer kids. Perpetual Serfdom doesn’t make the most productive workers.

 

[Communism]

So there you go, you say the democratic aspirations of the people should take a back seat, until when? Who’s to say they will ever be met unless we have the right to vote out a party that isn’t performing.

The most growth will come from education. The million or so that can right now join the IT industry need training, as the IT minister himself points out in those two interviews. The large percentage of the rural residents can be trained to better manage their crops and increase yields 2-3x if coupled with loans.

If you want to control the population and maximize GDP per capita, find a way to adequately educate and employ men and women, so they will have marriages later and have fewer kids. Perpetual Serfdom doesn’t make the most productive workers.

All of the things you are highlighting are a problem with Pakistan's extremely poor governance ability.


Any attempt to fix them through Government will most likely lead to more wasted money without any actual results.


A better plan is to attempt to bypass that lack of governance ability by using very simple market processes to have a "minimally viable" economy and then build from there.


The things you want all require competence in governance that Pakistan has never shown at any point in time ever in history.


If Pakistan ever had the capability to do what you wanted, it would have already accomplished it under Bhutto and the PPP long ago.


Simply totally forget about the East Asian (Sino-sphere) Economic Model.


It requires far too much competence in governance that even non-basket cases outside of the Sino-sphere have never shown the ability to implement it in a way that does better than market or managed market economies.

 

[FuturePAF]

All of the things you are highlighting are a problem with Pakistan's extremely poor governance ability.


Any attempt to fix them through Government will most likely lead to more wasted money without any actual results.


A better plan is to attempt to bypass that lack of governance ability by using very simple market processes to have a "minimally viable" economy and then build from there.


The things you want all require competence in governance that Pakistan has never shown at any point in time ever in history.

That’s is why I have always advocated, for nearly a decade now, that all political party members need to go to a real law/management school above a certain level in government.

Sure, we need to concentrate on a minimally viable economy but we need to not create oligarchs (like Ukraine or Russia), but need to leave space for SMEs which can employ most of the population, as in the US. We should be doing something similar to what happened in Poland after the fall of communism.

Pakistan also needs to study what the Japanese did with MITI and set up a ministry focus on building ion the companies that can be internationally competitive. The government can attracted local and foreign investors the way Israel does and match their equity in an investment fund (something also mentioned by Dr. Umar Saif, I listened to all 4 hours of his interviews on the Pakistan experience).

The majority of the population needs to at least be able to carry its own costs, and grow along with the nation as it grows. This will create a sustainable middle class, and make Pakistan an attractive market for investors and for its geo-economic interests.

If I understood you correctly, You said Pakistan should not ditch China, and I agree. Pakistan can perhaps invite Chinese advisors in governance and management and help Pakistan reform the education of government officials. It need not be the Chinese. The Japanese would be really good at this as well.

 

[Meengla]

Islamic touch!

Reality is that he is demanding A-class:

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You know the old Urdu saying about Elephant's teeth! That's Imran!! Meeting Bajwa in private while publicly cursing him. Asking for 'real freedom' but, on the eve of his arrest, (finally) proposing to even speak with PDM.
Please enjoy reading about Haathi ke Daant below (Indians too would relate to this--but, hey, it's in Urdu )

What is the meaning of this Hindi proverb "hathi ke daant khane ke aur, dikhane ke aur?

Answer (1 of 21): What we can see from a picture of elephant? we can see the teeth. But elephant doesn't use it to eat. This is for his safety. But the function of tooth is to chew food. He has another set of tooth to eat. Here first part of the dialogue "hathi ke daant khane ke aur” means eleph...

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"we can see the teeth. But elephant doesn't use it to eat. This is for his safety. But the function of tooth is to chew food. He has another set of tooth to eat. Here first part of the dialogue "hathi ke daant khane ke aur” means elephant has different set of tooth to eat and the second part of the dialogue “dikhane ke aur” means another set to show. It is a proverb. Which people used to say when, someone show something which is not true but do opposite in the behind. It is said towards double faced people. Hope I can make you understand."

 

[Communism]

That’s is why I have always advocated, for nearly a decade now, that all political party members need to go to a real law/management school above a certain level in government.

Sure, we need to concentrate on a minimally viable economy but we need to not create oligarchs (like Ukraine or Russia), but need to leave space for SMEs which can employ most of the population, as in the US. We should be doing something similar to what happened in Poland after the fall of communism.

Pakistan also needs to study what the Japanese did with MITI and set up a ministry focus on building ion the companies that can be internationally competitive. The government can attracted local and foreign investors the way Israel does and match their equity in an investment fund (something also mentioned by Dr. Umar Saif, I listened to all 4 hours of his interviews on the Pakistan experience).

The majority of the population needs to at least be able to carry its own costs, and grow along with the nation as it grows. This will create a sustainable middle class, and make Pakistan an attractive market for investors and for its geo-economic interests.

If I understood you correctly, You said Pakistan should not ditch China, and I agree. Pakistan can perhaps invite Chinese advisors in governance and management and help Pakistan reform the education of government officials. It need not be the Chinese. The Japanese would be really good at this as well.

No.


What I'm saying is that Pakistan should study the Pinochet Hyper-capitalist Washington Consensus Neoliberal model and the Putin Hyper-capitalist Washington Consensus Neoliberal model.


Try to avoid things that require competence in governance like a plague.


Don't pretend to be a Sino-sphere country at all.


Pakistan should use realistic models, like Pinochet's Chile and Putin's Russia.


Once Pakistan is able to set up that "minimally viable" economic core, the investments shouldn't be hard to get, as the U.S., Saudi, and China have been waiting decades for Pakistan to get it's shit together and would be glad to have another viably run country to invest in.


You can take advisors from Sino-sphere countries but try to get actual people from Sino-sphere countries to do the running if you are going to use those models.


If you want to implement a Washington Consensus Neoliberal model, be more wary of "advisors" that are generally going to be U.S. or western spies/viceroys.


Try to get businesspeople instead of western officials if you want advice in Washington Consensus Neoliberalism, if you don't want to get colonized (once again).