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By the way most people have overlooked this but Murad Ali Shah visited USA several times in past two years and every time the reason given for the trip was "personal visit"

December 2020:


June 2021:

https://pakobserver.net/cm-murad-leaves-for-us-on-three-day-visit/

July 2021 (both Bilawal and Murad Ali Shah were in USA) :




September 2021 (third visit in 3 months by Murad Ali Shah)


What exactly were these private and personal visits?

@LeGenD

May be you can explain these "private visits" better
 
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And even that institute is not run by Sindh Government

It only gives them funds to pay off their liabilities
True...and thank you for putting that on record..btw one speech that went under rated today was of GDA's Fehmida Mirza..what she said in between the lines and how she charged sheet Sindh govt...
 
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On a more sad note my feeling is, short of a miracle , that it's over for PMIK. To my mind it's very simple. The very order that has sunk it's roots deep into the body of Pakistan for over 35 years, corrupt to the core felt threatened. The game of music chairs that we see for decades, with one corrupt coming in, raping the country and then the next corrupt coming to take turns to rape the country has won.

The achilles heel of PMIK was always the wafer thin majority. And the old order united, just simply threw money at few MNA's who true to principles of lotacracy were bought out. Rest will just be history.

The tragedy is over the last 35 years of Sharif/Zardari order rest of South Asia has risen. India which was a rickshaw pulling starving slum in 1990 today is roaring ahead. Bangladesh which was swamp that was drowning in poverty and Bay Bengal today is a emerging economic tiger.

This is what Sharifs and Zardari/Bhuttos have given Pakistan over the last 35 years. Yet these very people will be back in power - again to loot and plunder.

Democracy is best form of revenge says Zardari. More like the spunk that comes out of his penis is fcukin punishment on Pakistan. If I thought these people were democrats the sadness might be mediated but how the fcuk is a son of a daughter of father demoracy? And it's not much differant in PML-N where the daughter now stands as the heir. Pakistan might as well declare monarchy - least that way we would have stability. Sort of you get what you paid for and not fraud dressed as democracy.

This is democracy in Pakistan and how the old order is so entrenched. Apparently a PPP MNA accused of murder ran away to Dubai and now is coming back to vote in the no confidence against PMIK. And the fcukin courts have given a mand who tortured an d murdered a poor man protective bail? Pray please tell me how is this possible in a so called Islamic Republic????


The reality is a society, a nation, a system is only reflection of the people who make it. 50 million English people will produce United Kingdom. 80 million Turks will produce Turkey. What we get in Pakistan is what 200 million of Pakistan deserve. They are the makers and enablers of this foul system.

PMIK can do all he wants by invoking "Amr bil Maruf" but he overlooks that if such rightousness existed in Pakistan culture this rotten order would have been wiped out decades ago.

We saw a few days ago how a dead body was left on the wedding hall while people dined to their hearts content. God forbid what 70 years of Islam and Islamic preachin has done to the Pakistani people.

It certainly has not made them better or nurtured "amr bil maruf" in their hearts. PMIK spent to much time abroad and got carried away with high ideals. I wish him the best. Just retire to Bani Gala and write a book on his life.

Maybe few generations down the road when Pakistan has witnessed the rise of "amr bil maruf" things might begin to change and then IK is redeamed in history.

Adios Kaptaan!

Ps. Please somebody tell me how a half witted punk like Bilawal with zero credentials other than that he dropped out of a Bhutto underpass is better option then IK or Maryam who has achieved what in life?
 
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True...and thank you for putting that on record..btw one speech that went under rated today was of GDA's Fehmida Mirza..what she said in between the lines and how she charged sheet Sindh govt...

Yup

Sindh government and PPP hasn't done anything for Karachi or Sindh in its 14 years tenure

And these shameless scumbags call Imran Khan "nalaiq" and "naehal"
 
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Dear,
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PAK - US bilateral relations are NOT perfect (episodes of friction are in the mix and well-documented), but USA is NOT hostile to Pakistan in true sense of the word or in the manner imagined by some.

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USA have supported Pakistan on different counts through the years:

1. Bush administration and later Obama administration - both provided substantial amount of funds and military equipment to Pakistani armed forces to improve their capacity to fight terrorism (and war). Pakistan received ATGMs (TOW class), M113 APC, M-109 Self-propelled Howitzers, Perry-class Frigate, AN/TPS-77 (AESA) radar systems, T-37 trainer jets, P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, C-130E Hercules transport aircraft, AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, Scan Eagle UAVs and F-16 Block 52+ jet fighters. PAF was able to revamp and expand its fleet of F-16 jet fighters in fact.



2. Americans declared TTP a terrorist organization and assassinated its leaders and men from time-to-time.


Most notable kills:

Baitullah Mehsud (2009)
Hakimullah Mehsud (2013)
Mullah Fazlullah (2018)
Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud (2021)

3. FATF Grey List paved way for accountability in Pakistan. There wasn't any mechanism to check Pakistani Money Laundering activities otherwise.

The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) has been striving to create an enabling environment that facilitates both government and the private sector to gear up against money laundering and terror financing challenges. Technological advancements, the development of tax havens and complex corporate structures continue to enable criminals to hide their identity and their illicit activities such as drug trade, human trafficking, bribery, corruption and misappropriation of public funds. These are then introduced in the financial system and laundered for further use.


PTI-led GOP promised accountability and FATF-induced reforms were GOD SEND in this respect.

4. PAK-US relations are particularly constructive in economic matters. American companies provide lot of job opportunities in Pakistan. USA is also one of the largest export destinations for Pakistani goods.


PAK - US trade flows are beneficial to Pakistan due to being SURPLUS in our case (profits).

5. IMF bailout packages

Pakistan finds it difficult to manage its economic situation due to considerable gap between IMPORTS and EXPORTS (lack of industrial growth due to load-shedding, expensive electricity and competitive pressures). Consumption requirements continue to increase due to population growth while corruption is rampant and measures adopted to extracting valuable natural resources are unnecessarily politicized. There is overreliance on remittances to manage Balance-Of-Payments (BOP) in the end. Due to these dynamics, Pakistan often finds itself in BOP crisis phase and seeks IMF bailout package to address it (this matter is also politicized in Pakistani discourses).



Now keep in mind that IMF cannot provide bailout package(s) to Pakistan without American nod.

6. USAID programs in Pakistan



Scholarships
Funding of projects (Academic; Infrastructure)
Vaccination drives (Polio; COVID-19)

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Now imagine this - if USA had not supported Pakistan in any capacity whatsoever then what might be our situation? Venezuela 2.0 or worse? Pakistan have substantial amount of internal problems and lines of fault that USA can exploit to damage Pakistan in theory. This is the intended point.

Nuclear proliferation cannot be the source of leverage in international affairs; this is sure-shot way of inviting troubles. Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan is no longer with us but you may contact his family to find out how difficult things had become for him (and his family) when nuclear proliferation charges surfaced. These people could not even move around freely as a hint.


WE should come to terms with our limitations as a nation and NOT try to find enemies where they do NOT EXIT. This is NOT good for our country in the long-term.

Critic of USA and its Foreign Affairs is one thing (acceptable) but open-ended Anti-US narrative-building in Pakistani circles is HARMFUL. People do not seem to realize where things will head if this ill-advised trend continues.

Pakistan - US relations have gone COLD on the military front but do WE want the same in economic front? Supposed alternatives are never sufficient - no market is a substitute to Western hemisphere.
Let me give you response one by one to your each point.
1) USA was Pakistan's ally in 1965 and Soviets were allies of India, in 1965 war US put arm embargo on Pakistan and as a result we could not recover from.the affects of war, we helped US beat USSR the greatest enemy west had ever faced, and made US into the sole Super power and US after the war put sanctions on us and stopped arms sale to us including F 16s. In 1999 Kargil war US supported India and forced Pakistan to withdraw troops, After 2001 Pakistan again supported USA but what USA did they started cooperation with India and made Nuclear deal with them, US started attacking Pakistan with drones and many times threaten us with direct attack, in 2011 US bombed Pakistan Army Checkpost with Apache helicopters and killed dozens of Pakistani Soldiers, after the Taliban started defeating US, US started putting blame on Pakistan for its failure and threatening us with sanctions, US gave open permission to India to run Terrorist training camps to attack Pakistan from Afghanistan. Even as of today US has blocked Viper gunships of Pakistan and even stopped Turkey to give T129 gunships to Pakistan.
2) declaring TTP terrorist organization means nothing when they were given support by US, NDS and RAW one way or another.
3) FATF Grey List has caused Pakistan loses of billions of dollars, as far as Money Laundering is concerned US itself is a hub of money laundering, trillions of dollars of American money is laundered all around the world including cayman Islands from US. UK is also hub of money laundering, also Switzerland and many other countries but they are FATF members and put other countries into Grey and black list.
4) I am glad you accepted that IMF is controlled by USA, I hope my fellow Pakistani see this. I already know this and IMF policies are the reason Pakistan is suffering. IMF is another tool for economic war that is already imposed on Pakistan.
5) USAID is and was used to further the goals and agendas of US gov in Pakistan and mostly projects were against the interest of Pakistan one way or another, also such NGO based aid programs are being used for intelligence work as evident from the 2011 operation in Abbotabad.
6) and you talk about Nuclear proliferation and infact US, France and Britain are the one who have given Nuclear Technology and weapons to Israel.
I just gave you one of the reactions Pakistan may or may not resort to if pushed. If US can go against all international norms why can't Pakistan, even without giving nuclear tech to anyone Pakistan is far more powerful and dangerous if made an enemy than Iran or North Korea.
It is not Pakistan who is responsible for the current crisis but US, Pakistan has proof of US involvement in this no trust motion. Pakistan has clearly stated that Pakistan want good relations will all countries.
Just denying the facts will do you no good, you know the history of USA in regime changes around the world.
How can you even deny such facts even US presidents including Biden has used the term regime change in his speeches for example for Turkey.
Pakistan wants good relation with US but US is interfering in Pakistani politics in form of sponsoring regime change and harming us like in FATF, wants us to to serve their interests and be their puppets.
 
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By the way most people have overlooked this but Murad Ali Shah visited USA several times in past two years and every time the reason given for the trip was "personal visit"

December 2020:


June 2021:

https://pakobserver.net/cm-murad-leaves-for-us-on-three-day-visit/

July 2021 (both Bilawal and Murad Ali Shah were in USA) :




September 2021 (third visit in 3 months by Murad Ali Shah)


What exactly were these private and personal visits?

@LeGenD

May be you can explain these "private visits" better

Fazlur Rehman and Maryam, who are not members of the assembly or any sort of officials, were holding meetings with US officials. So were Hamza and Shahbaz Sharif.
 
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Fazlur Rehman and Maryam, who are not members of the assembly or any sort of officials, were holding meetings with US officials. So were Hamza and Shahbaz Sharif.

Murad Ali Shah visited USA three times in three months in 2021 (June, July and September)

It was the same time when USA was leaving Afghanistan
 
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Fazlur Rehman and Maryam, who are not members of the assembly or any sort of officials, were holding meetings with US officials. So were Hamza and Shahbaz Sharif.

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Well IK is still a decade shy of playing Erdogan. We haven't seen such level of prosperity to lay infront of Tanks.
Allah Khan ka Hami o Nasir ho. It will be a miracle if he survives.

You will be surprised, there will be people ready to do that. No big deal.
 
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after 2 hours of kanjar -khana-

Iyaka Na'budu Wa Iyaka Nastaeen - imran hyporite​


Stop writing Quranic verses in the same post where you also describe the condition of your house.

Patwaris like you are the reason Pakistan had been suffering for 70 years. Curse you, and your generation of patwaris. Your time has ended. Keep crying ; your baseless bitching is very entertaining.
 
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Is Imran planning to call for an early election in Pakistan? :what:
 
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By the way most people have overlooked this but Murad Ali Shah visited USA several times in past two years and every time the reason given for the trip was "personal visit"

December 2020:


June 2021:

https://pakobserver.net/cm-murad-leaves-for-us-on-three-day-visit/

July 2021 (both Bilawal and Murad Ali Shah were in USA) :




September 2021 (third visit in 3 months by Murad Ali Shah)


What exactly were these private and personal visits?

@LeGenD

May be you can explain these "private visits" better

Pakistan People's Party (PPP) have political presence in USA.


Benefits:

1. Fund-raising possibilities
2. Building contacts with American politicians

This would be common knowledge in Pakistani political circles.

Tehmina Durrani disclosed this matter in her book (My Feudal Lord) several years ago.

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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) also have political presence in USA.


PTI should be able to do what PPP can do in USA.



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Political wings in USA are illegal or something?
 
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On a more sad note my feeling is, short of a miracle , that it's over for PMIK. To my mind it's very simple. The very order that has sunk it's roots deep into the body of Pakistan for over 35 years, corrupt to the core felt threatened. The game of music chairs that we see for decades, with one corrupt coming in, raping the country and then the next corrupt coming to take turns to rape the country has won.

The achilles heel of PMIK was always the wafer thin majority. And the old order united, just simply threw money at few MNA's who true to principles of lotacracy were bought out. Rest will just be history.

The tragedy is over the last 35 years of Sharif/Zardari order rest of South Asia has risen. India which was a rickshaw pulling starving slum in 1990 today is roaring ahead. Bangladesh which was swamp that was drowning in poverty and Bay Bengal today is a emerging economic tiger.

This is what Sharifs and Zardari/Bhuttos have given Pakistan over the last 35 years. Yet these very people will be back in power - again to loot and plunder.

Democracy is best form of revenge says Zardari. More like the spunk that comes out of his penis is fcukin punishment on Pakistan. If I thought these people were democrats the sadness might be mediated but how the fcuk is a son of a daughter of father demoracy? And it's not much differant in PML-N where the daughter now stands as the heir. Pakistan might as well declare monarchy - least that way we would have stability. Sort of you get what you paid for and not fraud dressed as democracy.

This is democracy in Pakistan and how the old order is so entrenched. Apparently a PPP MNA accused of murder ran away to Dubai and now is coming back to vote in the no confidence against PMIK. And the fcukin courts have given a mand who tortured an d murdered a poor man protective bail? Pray please tell me how is this possible in a so called Islamic Republic????


The reality is a society, a nation, a system is only reflection of the people who make it. 50 million English people will produce United Kingdom. 80 million Turks will produce Turkey. What we get in Pakistan is what 200 million of Pakistan deserve. They are the makers and enablers of this foul system.

PMIK can do all he wants by invoking "Amr bil Maruf" but he overlooks that if such rightousness existed in Pakistan culture this rotten order would have been wiped out decades ago.

We saw a few days ago how a dead body was left on the wedding hall while people dined to their hearts content. God forbid what 70 years of Islam and Islamic preachin has done to the Pakistani people.

It certainly has not made them better or nurtured "amr bil maruf" in their hearts. PMIK spent to much time abroad and got carried away with high ideals. I wish him the best. Just retire to Bani Gala and write a book on his life.

Maybe few generations down the road when Pakistan has witnessed the rise of "amr bil maruf" things might begin to change and then IK is redeamed in history.

Adios Kaptaan!

Ps. Please somebody tell me how a half witted punk like Bilawal with zero credentials other than that he dropped out of a Bhutto underpass is better option then IK or Maryam who has achieved what in life?

I feel your frustration brother. Pakistan will be left in the dark. The gap with India will grow large to such an extent that we'll just be pummeled in each and every conflict with them in the future. Let's hope for the best......
 
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