Imran Khan campaigns for Zac Goldsmith against Pakistan Origin Sadiq Khan?

[WAJsal]

I too dont think british public have any issues, IK is not a well known personality in UK, sorry to surprise you. He has got fan following(as politician) in pakistani crowd only and zac will use him to neutralize sadiq's appeal.

I thought that was quite obvious...I was talking about his popularity in Pakistani crowd. IK is easily the favorite by a huge margin among Overseas Pakistanis. Zac is using that to his advantage.

We don't need Western Democracy and the way we are trying to implement it, isn't working.

Any system can work, any..If you have honest people leading the system. System has some obvious flaws, but the real problem lies with the Feudal-Elite in our Parliament which is making sure we do not rise.

2. There is lust for power 3. corruption.

Is this not hypocrisy? you support PMLN and even after realizing the problems in the country you continue to support PMLN, that's where the problem lies. Vote for Pakistan, not some personal gains or etc, etc.

1. We are not tolerant,

Not a problem.

2. There is lust for power

Will exist in a corrupt society.

3. corruption.

Same as last point.
Now the problem is people like you, educated realizing the flaws and doing nothing to change that. We are corrupt as a society, from our 'sabzi wala' to our 'shop-keeper'. We have a corrupt PM; the real problem is knowing that he is corrupt and still voting for him. You know he is corrupt and does that stop you from supporting him? don't you think that is the real problem. I would love to hear your views on Panama Papers, would love to hear views of any PMLN supporters views on Panama Papers.
And here i thought people would actually wake-up, silly me.

 

[Edevelop]

I thought that was quite obvious...I was talking about his popularity in Pakistani crowd. IK is easily the favorite by a huge margin among Overseas Pakistanis. Zac is using that to his advantage.

Any system can work, any..If you have honest people leading the system. System has some obvious flaws, but the real problem lies with the Feudal-Elite in our Parliament which is making sure we do not rise.

Is this not hypocrisy? you support PMLN and even after realizing the problems in the country you continue to support PMLN, that's where the problem lies. Vote for Pakistan, not some personal gains or etc, etc.

Not a problem.

Will exist in a corrupt society.

Same as last point.
Now the problem is people like you, educated realizing the flaws and doing nothing to change that. We are corrupt as a society, from our 'sabzi wala' to our 'shop-keeper'. We have a corrupt PM; the real problem is knowing that he is corrupt and still voting for him. You know he is corrupt and does that stop you from supporting him? don't you think that is the real problem. I would love to hear your views on Panama Papers, would love to hear views of any PMLN supporters views on Panama Papers.
And here i thought people would actually wake-up, silly me.

I disagree with your view that any system will work. How hard is it to figure and research our ancestors in the past were far better as a society who knew their, limitations, family traditions, and means of living in peace.

In the 21st century, the problem with Pakistanis or rather, Muslims is they try to go against their nature. Inferiority complexes has gotten so deep, they are annoyed with their culture, they think westernization is the solution to everything. The 'Sabzi Wala' you just mentioned probably will tell you he wants to an Elite. Thats his or her inspiration. They want concrete homes rather than mud bricks, burgers rather than daal, and English speaking schools rather than Punjabi for their kids. Admit it. this whole society is big reason why we are fcked up.

Politicians whether in Pakistan or anywhere else in the world, they are all corrupt. The difference is our people loot openly while in the West they do it by other means such as lobbying and corporations.

As far as Panama Papers are concerns, its funny how our people are perceiving it. The Prime Minister and Chief Minister actually don't have their names on it. Its their kids and the fact is they have been living and earning overseas since exile. You can't argue with them only. Almost every other General and Politician have kids living in the West, including Imran Khan...

Sending money is not illegal, any ordinary person has the right to send if they want. Now to prove if its corrupt money or money laundering, thats the job of Judicial Commission and NAB. If they can prove it independently, nothing better. But to have double standards, even right now at this moment thinking someone like Cameron and Putin have done nothing wrong to resign while the Sharifs have is totally absurd and hypocritical. Its not hard to understand. Imran and opposiiton are after Sharifs because they are in his way to become Prime Minister. Its power dejavu all over again...

I have a very good reason to support PML. I do because I see they they are better than what we have at present and they are the only party delivering on economy and development. In 70 years, they are second to Ayub.

 

[WAJsal]

I disagree with your view that any system will work. How hard is it to figure and research our ancestors in the past were far better as a society who knew their, limitations, family traditions, and means of living in peace.

Any system can work! Dictatorship, semi-dictatorship, semi-democracy. I can make a mention of some of the countries who are doing well with the mentioned systems. Democracy can work in Pakistan. For any system to work you need honest people in the government. You can impose an Islamic Shariat system, it can't work with these ruling-elite's families present-period. Thus the need to remove these parasites, these people opposed partition collaborated with the British. Strengthened politically by Dictators, first by Ayub Khan, later by Zia. These elite families are a curse.

Admit it. this whole society is big reason why we are fcked up.

The society has hopes in people like Edhi. All hope is not lost. Real problem lies at the top, get rid of the corrupt politicians. Look at our pathetic Interior minister, he will try to blackmail known-corrupt-thieves and say he has evidence and files. Ever wondered why this idiots doesn't take any action against any of them? Grow up! they hide each others trails.

Politicians whether in Pakistan or anywhere else in the world, they are all corrupt. The difference is our people loot openly while in the West they do it by other means such as lobbying and corporations.

And one still supports them. You are giving me a headache. You realize the flaws, realize the ones responsible for these flaws too.

As far as Panama Papers are concerns, its funny how our people are perceiving it. The Prime Minister and Chief Minister actually don't have their names on it. Its their kids and the fact is they have been living and earning overseas since exile. You can't argue with them only. Almost every other General and Politician have kids living in the West, including Imran Khan...

They are directly involved. Money-triail leads to PM Nawaz. I was expecting better than this. BTW, where did the money originate from? the PM is accused of corruption, money laundering, not declaring his assets and of course lying. Proper investigation will reveal it all in detail. What do you make of the contradictory statements and the present documents? I don't think you will fall for the lies.

I have a very good reason to support PML. I do because I see they they are better than what we have at present and they are the only party delivering on economy and development. In 70 years, they are second to Ayub.

A Ruling-Elite-family, strengthened by their 'siyasi father' Zia-ul-haq. PMLN is no different than PPP: two corrupt-feudal-families. I can't wait for Maryam Nawaz to take over her father and people call this a democracy. So apparently you accept there is corruption in the country and you still support PMLN who are in power? don't you think that is the real problem?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Any system can work! Dictatorship, semi-dictatorship, semi-democracy. I can make a mention of some of the countries who are doing well with the mentioned systems. Democracy can work in Pakistan. For any system to work you need honest people in the government. You can impose an Islamic Shariat system, it can't work with these ruling-elite's families present-period. Thus the need to remove these parasites, these people opposed partition collaborated with the British. Strengthened politically by Dictators, first by Ayub Khan, later by Zia. These elite families are a curse.

The society has hopes in people like Edhi. All hope is not lost. Real problem lies at the top, get rid of the corrupt politicians. Look at our pathetic Interior minister, he will try to blackmail known-corrupt-thieves and say he has evidence and files. Ever wondered why this idiots doesn't take any action against any of them? Grow up! they hide each others trails.

And one still supports them. You are giving me a headache. You realize the flaws, realize the ones responsible for these flaws too.

They are directly involved. Money-triail leads to PM Nawaz. I was expecting better than this. BTW, where did the money originate from? the PM is accused of corruption, money laundering, not declaring his assets and of course lying. Proper investigation will reveal it all in detail. What do you make of the contradictory statements and the present documents? I don't think you will fall for the lies.

A Ruling-Elite-family, strengthened by their 'siyasi father' Zia-ul-haq. PMLN is no different than PPP: two corrupt-feudal-families. I can't wait for Maryam Nawaz to take over her father and people call this a democracy. So apparently you accept there is corruption in the country and you still support PMLN who are in power? don't you think that is the real problem?

> Brilliant response , 1 system does not fits all and when folks in power are incompetent any
system will fail Could not have summed it up any better


> International implementation of democracy (US/Europe/ UK) , is vastly different in it's
implementation vs what ever that system is running in Pakistan - unless honest quality
folks come to top the system is bad worse system of world

 

[Azadkashmir]

Oh please, Sadiq is a coconut politician. He only has brown 'chamri'. For people trying to show him as an individual taking a stand on moral issues, know this guy has basically bent over backwards to woo the Zionist lobby (http://www.foa.org.uk/new/sadiq-khan-i-do-not-support-boycotts-of-israel/, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rty-star-Khan-damns-leader-anti-Semitism.html).

I dont care about PTI vs PML issues. I dont support either party but trying to show Sadiq as some moral crusader up against evil Zionist Goldsmith is just pure intellectual dishonesty.

for all you people out there the rothschild are the dynasty responsible for our colonisation aka british empire, and world war, 1,2 and he owns isreal. i hope putin assinates these guys.

 

[Naveed Hussain Rind]

Common grow up. whats the big deal .
what about nawaz's personal and close friend who is personally responsible of killing many muslims and biggest enemy of Pakistan MODI

 

[Edevelop]

Any system can work! Dictatorship, semi-dictatorship, semi-democracy. I can make a mention of some of the countries who are doing well with the mentioned systems. Democracy can work in Pakistan. For any system to work you need honest people in the government. You can impose an Islamic Shariat system, it can't work with these ruling-elite's families present-period. Thus the need to remove these parasites, these people opposed partition collaborated with the British. Strengthened politically by Dictators, first by Ayub Khan, later by Zia. These elite families are a curse.

The society has hopes in people like Edhi. All hope is not lost. Real problem lies at the top, get rid of the corrupt politicians. Look at our pathetic Interior minister, he will try to blackmail known-corrupt-thieves and say he has evidence and files. Ever wondered why this idiots doesn't take any action against any of them? Grow up! they hide each others trails.

And one still supports them. You are giving me a headache. You realize the flaws, realize the ones responsible for these flaws too.

They are directly involved. Money-triail leads to PM Nawaz. I was expecting better than this. BTW, where did the money originate from? the PM is accused of corruption, money laundering, not declaring his assets and of course lying. Proper investigation will reveal it all in detail. What do you make of the contradictory statements and the present documents? I don't think you will fall for the lies.

A Ruling-Elite-family, strengthened by their 'siyasi father' Zia-ul-haq. PMLN is no different than PPP: two corrupt-feudal-families. I can't wait for Maryam Nawaz to take over her father and people call this a democracy. So apparently you accept there is corruption in the country and you still support PMLN who are in power? don't you think that is the real problem?

Hahaha typical short sighted response... Come on dude maybe you should try cutting more of my paragraphs to suit your self.

This is the last time I'm going to speak on this.

What has dictatorship done ? Yahya Khan drank all day, Zia created Islamic extremism and Musharraf looted and let others loot. If not in Pakistan, can you at least give me examples of somewhere else where it has been successful ? Can you explain what Sisi of Egypt and his predecessors were able to achieve ? What leaders of North Korea have done other than surprising their own people ?

Often you hear things like educated people being needed to run the country, but has anyone ever considered educated people being corrupt ? Who could be more educated than bureaucrats ?

Corruption is anything dishonest or fraudulent in pursuit of self interest. Here are some types you should learn ; Political Corruption, Administrative Corruption, Systemic Corruption, Corporate Corruption, Petty Corruption, and Legal and Moral Corruption, If you think PTI is clean(er), have a look:

Political Corruption: Seeking rewards in return for political favours.

http://www.zemtv.com/2015/12/25/video-leaked-jahangir-tareen-distributed-money-to-purchase-vote/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/966946/...ti-received-funds-from-jewish-indian-lobbies/
https://defence.pk/threads/pti-qwp-look-for-face-saving-as-re-alliance-‘imminent’.383766/
http://www.dawn.com/news/1210865
http://tribune.com.pk/story/938448/airing-dirty-laundry-pti-taken-over-by-a-mafia-claims-wajih/
http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/05/07/pti-ejaz-chaudhry-hurled-with-eggs-from-pti-female-workers/
http://www.dawn.com/news/1239374
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/14375-imran-endorses-aleems-integrityignores-his-income-sources

Administrative Corruption: Favouritism to certain individuals

https://defence.pk/threads/asad-umar’s-‘favourite’-appointed-chief-of-kp-energy-department.418840/
https://defence.pk/threads/kp-cm-backs-corruption-accused-minister.427269/
http://www.dawn.com/news/1238765

Systemic Corruption: Something prevalent throughout all levels of society.

http://daily.lanadrama.com/video/x2...red-shah-mehmood-qureshi-from-gaddi-nasheeni/
http://www.dawn.com/news/1204452

Corporate Corruption: Carried out by a corporation or by individuals who are identified with the company

http://www.dawn.com/news/1144656
https://defence.pk/threads/imran-khan-lost-donation-money-in-real-estate-gambling.199525/

Petty Corruption: Done on the low-level, impacting individuals

http://tribune.com.pk/story/915846/dj-butt-threatens-to-take-pti-to-court/

Legal and Moral Corruption:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15198-imran-avoids-attending-na-but-gets-salary-regularly
http://www.dawn.com/news/1125908
http://nation.com.pk/national/31-De...ceived-treatment-at-shaukat-khanum-imran-khan
http://www.rediff.com/news/aug/14imran.htm

Edhi is a true philantrophist but guess what even he has to say something about Imran Khan

 

[TMA]

Well when Pakistanis are Living overseas (educated one) we don't vote based on our ethnicity we vote based on agenda and proposal presented.

Ethnic line voting and identify is a very Pakistani thing that ends the moment we fly out of the airport

So perhaps the overall package presented by Goldsmith was more appropriate hardly any difficult task to understand. (Not that anyone is following any election)

Similar to perhaps in US election every one supports a particular country but folks vote along the lines of damage control

Does it really end? I know many who vote based upon kinship/ethnic/racial ties.

 

[WAJsal]

> Brilliant response , 1 system does not fits all and when folks in power are incompetent any
system will fail Could not have summed it up any better


> International implementation of democracy (US/Europe/ UK) , is vastly different in it's
implementation vs what ever that system is running in Pakistan - unless honest quality
folks come to top the system is bad worse system of world

Thank you. Any system requires honest people for it to work.

Hahaha typical short sighted response... Come on dude maybe you should try cutting more of my paragraphs to suit your self.

I will give a honest reply here...some of your previous posts gave my inner-thoughts regarding giving up on Pakistan and Pakistanis a real case. I had to give it a couple of hours of thought before i could reply. I was really disappointing.
Please do not take it personally my good Pakistani friend. It was really hurting to read someone accepting we have a corrupt society, corrupt politicians and that we have a system that does not work. Regardless of what you truly believe you go on to support the system; The status-quo. You don't believe it delivers, yet you support it. I was only hurt, i did not have the strength to give a detailed reply. That is the truth and i just couldn't run away from the discussion too. (Again please do not take it personally, this is a honest reply)

What has dictatorship done ? Yahya Khan drank all day, Zia created Islamic extremism and Musharraf looted and let others loot. If not in Pakistan, can you at least give me examples of somewhere else where it has been successful ? Can you explain what Sisi of Egypt and his predecessors were able to achieve ? What leaders of North Korea have done other than surprising their own people ?

And are these mentioned dictators in anyway honest? You are not getting my point. Take a look at KSA, are they as a country not developed? take a look at the rest of the Middle East. Was Libya not an example under Qaddafi? We have history on our side. If you have honest people any system can work.
When we had Sahaba taking over the Prophet how well was the system working? Is Hazrat Umar not an example for us? the very system corrupted our society when it was taken over by the coming generations. Did the system fail or did the honest people ruling fail the system? try to understand my point. If democracy can work in India it can work in Pakistan too.
PS: Zia was also known as 'Siayasi father' of many politicians. These dictators only destroyed the country and strengthened a class of people.

Who could be more educated than bureaucrats ?

Who could be a bigger slave than a bureaucrats. Bureaucrats have destroyed this country. They serve only a class of people and their bank accounts.

@cb4 , please make a mention of similar links of the doings of PMLN in the past and currently. Tell me how PMLN is any better? You are incorrect to think i will defend PTI, i am actually disappointed in PTI. I have somewhat given up on PTI, along with the likes of @Bratva ,@niaz and many of our good friends. It has essentially been hijacked. But is PMLN or PPP any better? they are not even in the same league as PTI.

Edhi is a true philantrophist but guess what even he has to say something about Imran Khan

I'd be an idiot to defend this. I am not a slave or an idiot.

Why are you bringing Imran Khan in the discussion? he has nothing to do with it. I thought we were talking about NS and his family all along.

 

[SBD-3]

Well when Pakistanis are Living overseas (educated one) we don't vote based on our ethnicity we vote based on agenda and proposal presented.

As if other than areas in UK your vote would count
While Indians are now penetrating every country I am yet to see any efforts by Pakistanis. You know why because Pakistanis are in the state of denial.If Pakistan adopts Singapore based approach of only holding one nationality, I am dead sure that 99.99% of such expats would shun their green passport even without giving it a thought.
So if you can vote in US, isn't it better to use American for yourself since you vow to protect their national for their Passport?
For that I praise @Viper0011. that at least he doesn't show hypocrisy like the most of the people here.