Imran Khan Answers his Religious critics in this New interview.

[KingMamba]

If anyone knows something about body language they will tell you that his displayed his unwillingness to answer.

 

[Icewolf]

Sorry India don't consider them Kaffir and if any Muslim/Hindu in India call them Kaffir , Law can punish them under religious intolerance.

Due to such strict law, Indian Sunnis don't utter a word against Shia and Ahmedi in India... Along with USA , India is safest place for Shia and Ahmedi..

Hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!

 

[Musafir117]

Eid Mubark to all, Khan Sahib sadly you chose the same way which Bhutto and Zia was walking, they tried to take Allah's Laws in their hands and become gods and the history is not much old to know how they End!! And khan Sahib you again prove that you are not on the way of which started by great leader M A Jinnah, and history will tell that you was wrong.

 

[Old Navigator]

This will collapse the very fundamental of Pakistan, for which Pakistan was created. Either you remove "Islamic Republic" from the name or accept that anything against Islam should/shall be forever banned. Further, word "liberal" can also be added like "Liberal Republic of Pakistan"!

Qadianis were a separate community which had nothing to do with Islam and the Muslim' Ummah because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had falsely proclaimed himself to be a prophet in clear violation of the teachings of Islam and had declared that all those who did not believe in him were Kafirs. He even went to, the extent of laying a claim that he was Adam, Ibrahim, Moosa, Isa and even Muhammad, the Holy Prophet (PBUH). He had ventured to attribute to himself the verses of the Holy Qur'an, which were revealed entirely in relation to the Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). While, reciting "KALMA TAYYABA” when the Mirzais utter the word 'Muhammad', they predominently visualize Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. Likewise, they send Darood on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. Thus while reciting the `Kalma Tayyaba' and `Darood', they have in their mind Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani and by so doing they defile the fair name of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). In ' support of his contentions he referred to some passages from the following books:‑‑


(1) Haqeeqat‑ul‑Vahi, (2) Ruhani Khazain, Vols. 18 and 19, (3) Tuhfa Golarvia, (4) Tariaq‑ul‑Qaloob, (5) Zamima Anjam‑e‑Athum, (6) Aik Ghalati Ka Azala, (7) Tazkira, (8) Dafi‑ul‑Bala, (9) Durr‑e‑Sameen, (10) Kashti‑e‑Nooh, (11) Tabligh‑e‑Rasalat, (12) Nazool‑e‑Masih.

According to Muslims, Darood‑o‑Salam is the entitlement of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) by virtue of the verse of the Holy Qur'an

Muslims throughout the world uphold the cherished belief of absolute and unqualified finality of prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). They firmly and contemptuously reject the idea of arrival of any new Prophet after Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) According to the Holy Qur'an the Prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH is “KHATAM-UN-NABIYAIN” (last of the prophets) who himself declared in unambiguous words, that there could be no Prophet after him. However, Mirza Sahib claimed to be a Prophet and advanced the idea that Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) was not the final seal on prophethood but was the holder of seal for approving Prophets in future (Haqeeqat‑ul‑Vahi, pages 27‑28). He advanced the novel idea of second appearance (BASIT-E-SANIA) of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and claimed that in him Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) had again appeared in the world in Bruzi form and added that in his first appearance in Arabia he was like "HALAL" (moon of the first night) and that in his second appearance through him (Mirza Sahib) he was like "BADRE-E-KAMIL" (full moon). In this way, he not only claimed equality with but superiority over the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

It is the firm belief of Muslims that after Allah, the highest position in the universe is enjoyed by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and that no Muslim can imagine to be equal to him. What to speak of the Holy Prophet, no Muslim can claim to be equal to a companion (SAHABI) of the Holy Prophet. However, Mirza Sahib has ventured to claim complete equality and identity with Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). He asserted (in Khutba Ilhamia) that any person who differentiated between him and Mustafa (i.e. Hazrat Muhammad, PBUH neither saw nor recognised him (Mirza Sahib). He claimed that he got the name of Muhammad (PBUH) and Ahmad (PBUH) alongwith the status of prophethood because he was lost in the love of the Holy Prophet ( Ref: `Aik Ghalti Ka Azala')

However, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has ventured to show disrespect to Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) by claiming equality and identity with him. He also showed disrespect to the Holy places of Makka and Madeena by declaring Qadian as Haram like Makka and Madeena and by saying that a visit to Qadian was superior to and better than Nafli Hai. He went to the extent to using derogatory language about burial place of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). Apparently in his zeal to show superiority of the Holy Prophet over Christ and to repudiate the idea of ascendance of Christ from heavens


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had laid a claim that he was Ahmad and Muhammad and that he possessed all the qualities of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and all other Prophets. He claimed that finality of prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) was not affected due to his prophethood because he was none else but Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) (in Zilli or Broozi form). The Qadianis who believe in the teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad recite `Darood‑o‑Salam' for him, which according to Muslims is the entitlement of the Holy Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH). By sending `Darood' on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Qadianis treat him equal to Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and thereby relegate the Holy Prophet to the position of Mirza Sahib. This act of the Qadianis, prima facie, amounts to defiling the sacred and exalted name of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) which is punishable under section 29S‑C of the P.P.C

 

[SamantK]

This will collapse the very fundamental of Pakistan, for which Pakistan was created. Either you remove "Islamic Republic" from the name or accept that anything against Islam should/shall be forever banned. Further, word "liberal" can also be added like "Liberal Republic of Pakistan"!

I have to agree with you not on the collapse part but the real purpose of Pakistan then.

If Jinnah wanted a country for Muslims why make it secular then?
If he wanted a secular country in the first place then why the TNT?

In any case his main aim was to make a country where Indian Muslims would rule, obviously it was for Muslims to decide what rule and Islamic Republic seemed the most logical one.

So, I find it hard to believe when people say that Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan, cause if he did then he missed the simple logic above.

 

[Norwegian]

If Jinnah wanted a country for Muslims why make it secular then?
If he wanted a secular country in the first place then why the TNT?
In any case his main aim was to make a country where Indian Muslims would rule, obviously it was for Muslims to decide what rule and Islamic Republic seemed the most logical one.
So, I find it hard to believe when people say that Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan, cause if he did then he missed the simple logic above.

The idea of Jinnah for secular Pakistan was surprisingly very much similar to the idea of Jewish State for the Zionists. All your above questions are answered in Jinnah's policy speech held on 11 August 1947, three days before the birth of his nation:

There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make.

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, theHindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shia's, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some states in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.

Secularism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, at another occasion, Jinnah expressed minorities in a broadcast that was sent to the Americans in 1948:

The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims—Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.

Secularism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you can see clearly that Jinnah's vision for Pakistan and its minorities was pretty much similar to the Jewish and democratic nature of the State of Israel:
Jewish and democratic state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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@Natan

Correct me if I am wrong.

If anyone knows something about body language they will tell you that his displayed his unwillingness to answer.

LOL. Were you talking about me?

@Norwegian have u met them have u talked to them ?
if not then do i have u will understand
do they believe in hatm-e-nabuat ?
dont mistake lahore group with every qadiani group

Yes, I have met many Qadianis in my life. They do not believe in the movement of Khatm-e-Nabuwwat as it runs counter to their beliefs of prophethood in Islam and religion in general:
Prophethood (Ahmadiyya) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

u seem ignorant of religious matters
have u studied islam in detail?
have u read their text?

I have. Mirza Qadiani wrote at least 85 books. I haven't read all of them but studied some of them to understand core Qadiani beliefs. One good book I would recommend is: The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam. Here Mirza summarizes different aspects of the teachings of Islam as he sees it:
The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

these are sects within islam they dont believe in false prophets/messiah tell me if they do

What is false or what is not is not up to the mullahs to decide. Qadianis may call other Muslim sects kafir, and Muslims might call this sect kafir. Its not the first time one Islamic sect has accused another for apostasy.

thats why i called for legislation to protect them only legislative assemblies can annul this law
when did i said kill them

1974, 1984 constitutional amendments call for the systematic persecution of Qadianis:
Persecution of Ahmadis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unless this systematic unjust is annulled by IK / PTI against a specific religious minority, there will never be true justice in Pakistan.

its not as easy. we must realise IK has managed to create a very delicate alliance between people with contradictory ideologies. If there are people like you who are pro 'secular irreligious nature' then there also people like me who are pro 'non-secular religious nature.' Yet despite our ideological contradictions, we stand united under the banner of PTI (you support PTI, if im not wrong). Having said this, I know that me demanding too much of 'shariah' based governance will put our unity in jeopardy. Same goes for you. Your insistence on throwing islam out of everything will breed similar consequences. If anyone of us (ideological groups) try to drag this movement too much towards our ideological orientations, we will rip everything apart and descend back to the not so useful debates from which IK has somehow managed to pull us out (atleast for now).

Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was secular; Muslim and democratic and not pseudo-democracy or pseudo-theocracy as it is practiced today.

In IK i see someone who can make us grow out of these debates. But I fear we may end up fighting over IK's ideological orientation itself after his passing away if he ever becomes a great leader which we badly need. We have already seen this happening to Jinnah with everyone dragging him to their own side without knowing that it is only leading to growing fissures. If PTI is ever to outlive IK's lifetime, we must recognise that its a delicate stitch which is holding us all united under this banner.

True and agreed.

Ahmadis and Shias were most vocal and active for creation of Pakisan while Darul UloomDeoband's stance is also well known.

Jinnah himself was an Ismaili Khoja Shia. Many Qadianis contributed to the Pakistan movement, notably its first foreign minister Sir Zafrullah Khan.

In current Pakistan and for foreseeable furture, Deobandis are gonna remain in driving seat. Ahmadis and Shias of Pakistan should get used to it and stop complaining so much. They should have known what they were creating.

LOL. Well said!

If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?

Qadianis do not believe that they have a new religion. Its what other sects of Islam, mainly Sunnis force them to believe. After Ordinance XX was implemented during Zia regime, Qadianis can no longer regard themselves 'Muslim' or call their prayer houses 'Mosques'. Why? Because they do not share same beliefs held by traditional Muslims. Typical bigotry reflecting backwardness of Pakistan as a nation:
Ordinance XX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No wonder why so many Pakistani Qadianis have left their homeland for good and moved to Western secular states where no such religious bigotry of state exists, enforcing matters of faith for one particular minority in its constitution. LOLZ

Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

I have read most of them. If they call other Muslim sects kafir for disbelieving in their promised Messiah, other sects have freedom of speech to call Qadianis kafir for disbelieving prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last of all prophets. That's it. Use words, not weapons or law enforcement agencies to enforce certain religious dictates by Mullah theocrats against a particular minority sect. The only reason why Qadianis are specifically targeted is because they are a religious minority. Tyranny of majority is not part of Western liberal democracy. Islamic democracy is not real but fake form of democracy.

Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.

Bullshit! There is virtually NO divine claim to WHOSE beliefs are "correct" or "false" especially when original religion of Islam has been turned into hundreds if not thousands of different schools of thoughts, branches, sects and denominations in the last 1400 years:

Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.

LOL! What claim has you for which Islamic sect, branch, denomination is the "right" one?

EID namaz to aati nhi imran ko hahahaha

Aati hai. Kiyoon nahin aati.

You sir have won the argument with this mountain of undeniable evidence. I would give you a positive rating if I could.

LOL

you are repeating propaganda of lahori sect of qadianis who hide their belief saying mirza lanti was a reformer only not nabi. problem is it means they still hold him in high regards, so they endorse his views. if he viewed himself as prophet, and all muslims who refused to bow to him as kafir, then they really can't weasle their way out of disowning the core beliefs of that cult.

What Qadiani beliefs are is their problem. Why should other Muslim sects care about it? Of course they can publish books openly to criticize their unorthodox beliefs, but other than that not much is needed to ridicule Qadianis. In US there are mormons, scientologists and other christian cults that are ridiculed the same way without US constitution banning them for being not part of christianity.

 

[osama zafar]

Imran will be successful or else we are bound to decline into utter darkness by the governess of the current government.

 

[Natan]

Norwegian, you are correct regarding Jewish and democratic nature of Israel.

 

[Norwegian]

Imran will be successful or else we are bound to decline into utter darkness by the governess of the current government.

IK must change his stance on religion as this was not Jinnah's vision for Pakistan at all.

 

[Green Arrow]

I think,once in power, we might see a different IK.

 

[Musafir117]

For me Nawaz, Zardari, Imran are all butchers and it's on you which one you chose, an experience one or a Fresh one, the fresh on cut you so rough and cause more pain.

 

[osama zafar]

IK must change his stance on religion as this was not Jinnah's vision for Pakistan at all.

I am pretty sure the current government and how they are ruling, This was also not in Jinnahs vision but what can ya do eh?

 

[Norwegian]

I am pretty sure the current government and how they are ruling, This was also not in Jinnahs vision but what can ya do eh?

Any Pakistani leader who goes directly against Jinnah's and Iqbal's vision for Pakistan is a traitor!

 

[osama zafar]

Any Pakistani leader who goes directly against Jinnah's and Iqbal's vision for Pakistan is a traitor!

Agreed.

 

[ajpirzada]

Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was secular; Muslim and democratic and not pseudo-democracy or pseudo-theocracy as it is practiced today.

well this topic has been debated to death on this forum without any agreement. i can see in you the enthusiasm to prove secularism as the foundational principle of a Muslim PAkistan. But unfortunately, any discussion on this topic has - more often than not - led towards more polarization than unity.