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as much as i want the above to be true but the ground reality is unfortunately different. his allies are abandoning him. the army will not want him to be impeached and humiliated, that being the extent of their support.

Principally as this is the first time that an Impeachment order against the president has taken place, the steps taken and the guidelines provided are as such; the four assembles will pass an resolution for the President to take fresh vote of confidence failing to do so the president will be Impeached. If all four assembles are able to pass the resolution which most definitely will be able to when the president receives the order to take fresh vote of confidence than he has three options, 1.to take fresh vote of confidence 2.to resign 3.to face impeachment. He can resign at anytime however if the impeachment process start the cry for trial might be brought immediately through the charge sheet which is allegedly based on 8 points, now it is up to him how he wants to go, the army and isi will stay out they wont take part in this, they are under the present government and they are not the decision makers, the army will not come politics anymore this is the last statue that needs to be smashed towards the ground as to say "agari bhoot hai".
 
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Principally as this is the first time that an Impeachment order against the president has taken place, the steps taken and the guidelines provided are as such; the four assembles will pass an resolution for the President to take fresh vote of confidence failing to do so the president will be Impeached. If all four assembles are able to pass the resolution which most definitely will be able to when the president receives the order to take fresh vote of confidence than he has three options, 1.to take fresh vote of confidence 2.to resign 3.to face impeachment. He can resign at anytime however if the impeachment process start the cry for trial might be brought immediately through the charge sheet which is allegedly based on 8 points, now it is up to him how he wants to go, the army and isi will stay out they wont take part in this, they are under the present government and they are not the decision makers, the army will not come politics anymore this is the last statue that needs to be smashed towards the ground as to say "agari bhoot hai".

Under the constitution of Pakistan, there is no need for the provincial assemblies to pass any resolutions to start off the impeachment process. This is a useless PR stunt on the part of the dynamic duo NS and Zardari.

Nothing from the provincial assemblies is binding on the President of Pakistan.

I also think that those stating that Army will stay out are jumping to conclusion here. Army can and will influence the outcome to a great extent.
 
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The President house threw a grand party to mark the Independence day. It went on all night from the 13th to the morning! I dunno why they are saying the coalition government didn't allow it on the 14th, its always happened on the thirteenth and is an all nighter!

It kinda shows you the attitude of Musharraf. I don't think he'll blink, interceptor. Your move, let's see the impeachment already. "Sher aya, sher aya" bohot hogaya.
 
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Under the constitution of Pakistan, there is no need for the provincial assemblies to pass any resolutions to start off the impeachment process. This is a useless PR stunt on the part of the dynamic duo NS and Zardari.

Nothing from the provincial assemblies is binding on the President of Pakistan.

I also think that those stating that Army will stay out are jumping to conclusion here. Army can and will influence the outcome to a great extent.

And to back up my points (if articles such as this one are to be believed), just came across this article. Musharraf deserves both of the things he is asking for, right to stay in Pakistan with full VVIP security and also indemnity from legal actions against him:

Musharraf links quitting to failsafe indemnity

* Resignation and impeachment on hold until matter is resolved
* US, UK and Saudis back in secret loop
* Army high command standing by

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Last ditch efforts behind the scenes to secure an acceptable guarantee of “safe passage” and indemnity for President Pervez Musharraf’s are continuing and may delay the announcement of his resignation speech originally planned for August 14 (today), informed sources have told Daily Times.

It is learnt that there is an understanding between the coalition partners and President Musharraf that he will resign before impeachment proceedings can begin in earnest against him.

But President Musharraf is refusing to take “safe passage” to mean an immediate exile out of the country following his resignation. He is insisting on two conditions: first, that he will be entitled to stay in his house in Chak Shahzad on the outskirts of Islamabad and be provided full security and privileges as allowed under law to all presidents; second, that cast-iron guarantees of indemnity from any action against him following his resignation will be provided, preferably through an act of parliament.

It is also learnt that the army high command is standing by President Musharraf in these two demands. The last thing the army wants is to see either the impeachment of a former army chief or action against him by the civilians on any count. It may be noted that the current high commanders of the army were his partners in government when he was ruling the roost and took policy initiatives that later rebounded on his government and which could form the basis of any charge sheet against him.

US, UK, Saudis: Sources told Daily Times that the coalition partners were divided on the issue of what sort of indemnity and safe passage to provide him, with Mr Nawaz Sharif taking a harder line than Asif Zardari. President Musharraf’s international friends, the Saudis, Americans and British, are also running around to help both sides devise an acceptable formula for his “safe passage”.

The problem for the government is that it wants President Musharraf to quit immediately because it has already launched the run-up to the impeachment process and any delay in it will lead to a loss of credibility, especially if Mr Sharif is not on board and tries to exploit the situation by taking a different position from that taken by Mr Zardari. The danger is that if the deadlock is not resolved quickly and the impeachment process continues apace, the situation will become more intractable and even precipitous.

“Either the government must provide the proper guarantee quickly so that the president can resign immediately or put the impeachment process on hold until this matter is sorted out to our mutual satisfaction,” said a presidential aide to Daily Times.

Meanwhile, Mr Sharif has refused to comply with Mr Zardari’s demand that the PML-N rejoin the cabinet in earnest and take up the three big slots earmarked for it, namely finance, petroleum and commerce. The PML-N’s position is that it will not join the cabinet in earnest until the impeachment of President Musharraf is concluded and the judges have been restored.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080814/wl_nm/pakistan_politics_musharraf_dc_3

LONDON (Reuters) - Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its website on Thursday, citing government officials and a member of his circle.

The paper quoted an unnamed senior Pakistani government member as saying that a deal had been brokered between Musharraf and members of the newly elected coalition government.

"The president will neither be impeached nor prosecuted on any charges. He will try and stay in Pakistan," the paper quoted the official as saying.

Musharraf had demanded he be allowed to retire to his farm in Islamabad and that there be no moves to prosecute him once out of office, the Financial Times said.

It quoted a senior government official as saying Pakistan's powerful army had insisted Musharraf's demands be met.

Musharraf, a close U.S. ally, has been under pressure to stand aside from Pakistan's ruling government coalition, led by the party of assassinated former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

The former army chief, who seized power in a 1999 coup, has been isolated since his allies lost a February election.

His plummeting political fortunes have heightened concerns in the United States and among its allies about the stability of Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Muslim state that is also a hiding place for al Qaeda leaders.

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report - Yahoo! News
 
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Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report

LONDON (Reuters) - Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf will resign rather than face impeachment by parliament, the Financial Times said on its website on Thursday, citing government officials and a member of his circle.

The paper quoted an unnamed senior Pakistani government member as saying that a deal had been brokered between Musharraf and members of the newly elected coalition government.

"The president will neither be impeached nor prosecuted on any charges. He will try and stay in Pakistan," the paper quoted the official as saying.

Musharraf had demanded he be allowed to retire to his farm in Islamabad and that there be no moves to prosecute him once out of office, the Financial Times said.

It quoted a senior government official as saying Pakistan's powerful army had insisted Musharraf's demands be met.

Musharraf, a close U.S. ally, has been under pressure to stand aside from Pakistan's ruling government coalition, led by the party of assassinated former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

The former army chief, who seized power in a 1999 coup, has been isolated since his allies lost a February election.

His plummeting political fortunes have heightened concerns in the United States and among its allies about the stability of Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Muslim state that is also a hiding place for al Qaeda leaders.

Pakistan's Musharraf to resign as president: report - Yahoo! News
 
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ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, under mounting pressure to resign, called on Thursday for reconciliation to tackle economic problems and Islamist militancy.

But Musharraf's appeal apparently failed to check coalition government attempts to force him from power, with coalition officials saying preparations to impeach the president were on track.

Musharraf, speaking in a televised Independence Day address, neither referred to the plan to impeach him by the coalition led by the party of assassinated former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto or to the calls for him to step down. y also did not refer to the calls for him to step down.

"If we want to put our economy on the right track and fight terrorism then we need political stability. Unless we bring political stability, I think we can't fight them properly, he said.

"Political stability, in my view, can only be brought through a reconciliation approach as opposed to confrontation," the former chief and a firm U.S. ally said in his first public comments since the coalition announced its impeachment plan last week.

Musharraf has been at the centre of a political crisis since last year that has heightened concerns in the United States and among its allies about the stability of Pakistan, a nuclear-armed Muslim state that is also a hiding place for al Qaeda leaders.

Musharraf seized power in a 1999 coup but has been isolated since his allies lost a February election. Speculation has been rife that he would quit rather than face impeachment, though his spokesman has denied that.

The uncertainty is unnerving investors, with the rupee setting a new low of around 75.05/15 to the dollar on Wednesday and stocks hovering near two-year lows. Referring to the rupee, Musharraf said the flight of capital out of the country had to be stopped.

Financial markets were closed on Thursday.

ERA OF REPRESSION OVER

Musharraf's popularity began to evaporate last year when he clashed with the judiciary and imposed a brief period of emergency rule to ensure another term.

Hours after Musharraf spoke, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, a senior leader of Bhutto's party, said in his speech to mark 62ns Independence Day his government believed in reconciliation between political parties.

Gilani did not mention Musharraf, or respond to his appeal, but in a veiled reference to him said: "The era of repression is over forever. Dictatorship has become a tale of the past."

Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who was toppled by Musharraf in 1999, said his usurper must face the consequences of his actions.

"If someone breaks constitution, breaks laws...should he be rewarded or punished?" he asked while addressing a rally in the eastern city of Lahore.

Bhutto party spokesman Farhatullah Babar, who is also on a team preparing impeachment charges, said the process to impeach Musharraf was on track and Musharraf had to quit.

Gilani also spoke about the campaign against militancy, saying the problem had to be faced. "The war against extremism and terrorism is a war for our own survival."

Underscoring the threat, shortly before noisy Independence Day celebrations began, a suicide bomb attack on police killed seven people in the eastern city of Lahore.

As the pressure mounts on Musharraf, a crucial question is how the army will react. Coalition leaders said on Tuesday the army, which has ruled for more than half the country's history, would not intervene to back its old boss.
 
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Israel ready to provide security to Musharraf?

Friday, August 15, 2008

By Hamid Mir

ISLAMABAD: Israeli President Shimon Peres is desperately trying to help his friend President Pervez Musharraf and is putting indirect pressure on the coalition government through different diplomatic channels not to impeach him, Foreign Office sources reveal.

The sources claim that Peres wants a safe exit for Musharraf and he is also ready to provide security to his friend outside Pakistan. These sources also claim that Peres and Musharraf are in regular contact with each other for the last three years. Both met first in Davos in January 2005 and since then they have been writing letters to each other and exchanging pleasantries on telephone regularly.

According to the sources, Peres wrote his first-ever official letter to Musharraf in October 2007, appreciating his efforts in the fight against terrorism. Musharraf, in his response, thanked the Israeli president for his support and good wishes. These letters were exchanged through diplomatic channels of Turkey.

Peres called his Pakistani friend again a few days ago. Though the details of their conversation were not available with the Foreign Office yet it is believed that Peres offered his friend some help.

Informed sources are of the view that Israel has strong friendly relations with Turkey and is in a position to provide security to Musharraf in Turkey. One close friend of Musharraf is also busy in lobbying for him in the Jewish lobby in the US these days. This friend of Musharraf has met many leaders of the World Jewish Congress recently. Musharraf even praised this friend publicly in recognition of his services for facilitating him to address the Jewish lobby in New York. This special friend still enjoys ministerial status in Pakistan without being elected and despite the fact that he is an American citizen. It has been learnt that the same friend is requesting his American Jewish contacts to do something for the safe exit of Musharraf through Israeli President Shimon Peres.

Peres had openly said in October 2001 that he prayed for the life of Musharraf every morning as he (Musharraf) had signed his death warrant by changing the Afghan policy of Pakistan. After that, Musharraf also came into contact with the late Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon. He also met Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak in January this year in Paris.

Diplomatic sources claim that Musharraf is the most popular Pakistani leader in Israel. He was the first Pakistani leader who was invited to address the World Jewish Congress in the US in 2005. After that historic event, the then foreign minister of Pakistan Khurshid Kasuri met his Israeli counterpart Silvon Shalom in Turkey in 2005.

Musharraf had asked the Foreign Office in early 2007 to prepare a plan for the recognition of Israel but it did not materialise due to the political turmoil started in March 2007. It is also pertinent to mention here that Indian National Security Adviser MK Narayanan was the first foreign leader to come out openly in support of Musharraf on Wednesday, saying his impeachment would only help extremist elements in the country. The same Indian leader had declared on December 19, 2007 that India could trust Musharraf but not Benazir Bhutto.

Musharraf knows that he is still popular among the Indian and Israeli establishments and has a lot of friends in Western capitals as well. If provided a safe exit, he can find a new role for himself in international diplomacy.

Highly placed sources in the coalition government claim that Musharraf is now completely isolated and he has informed Asif Ali Zardari, through the governor Punjab, that he would resign if provided special indemnity. However, the coalition government is not ready to provide him indemnity and in that case he would face the first-ever humiliating impeachment process, which would definitely make history in Pakistan.

Israel ready to provide security to Musharraf?
 
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Looking for the brains behind terror cells: M.K. Narayanan

KUALA LUMPUR: Indian intelligence agencies have uncovered 800 terrorist cells operating with “external support,” and are looking for the brains behind them within the country, National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan has said. “We are concerned that there is a great deal of external inspiration and support, we are also concerned and are looking at a mastermind within the country,” he told The Straits Times here.

He was replying to a question about investigations into the recent blasts in Bangalore and Ahmedabad.

Mr. Narayanan said intelligence agents had “disrupted” several modules, some of which were “not entirely foreign.”

“Clearly, there is some kind of organisation. We have to find out if that organisation is localised or there is an external group or module operating,” he said.

Impeachment worry


Mr. Narayanan said it was not important from the Indian point of view whether Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf was impeached or not. “But it leaves a big vacuum and we are deeply concerned about this vacuum because it leaves the radical extremist outfits with freedom to do what they like, not merely on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border but clearly our side of the border too.”

He said, “Like nature abhors a vacuum, we abhor the political vacuum that exists in Pakistan. It greatly worries us.”

Maintaining that the situation was evolving in a manner that nobody could quite reach a conclusion, Mr. Narayanan said he thought the impeachment of President Musharraf might not take place.

“And if at all he has to go, he will be allowed to go in grace and some sort of a compromise would be reached. Obviously that is not happening. Mr. Nawaz Sharif [leader of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz] is very angry.”

Mr. Narayanan said a large number of people in the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) were unhappy about Benazir Bhutto’s assassination and most of them attributed it to the ISI or some such agency.

As for Afghanistan, Mr. Narayanan said India would not abandon that country in the wake of the attack on its mission in Kabul, saying New Delhi and the rest of the world were not prepared for it. India would “strengthen security very substantially” for its mission in Kabul.

Mr. Narayanan said one of the reasons for the attack could be that those behind it wanted to get India out of Afghanistan.

“Quite obviously Pakistan wishes to be the only country in Afghanistan so it can have Afghanistan as its client state,” he said, adding it was something that not only India but also the rest of the world were not prepared for.

Noting that the Kabul attack marked an entirely new stage in the levels of acrimony and violence, Mr. Narayanan warned that “therefore we expect that something would be done rather than mere words.”

He said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had made it extremely clear, without raising his voice, to Pakistan at the recent SAARC summit in Colombo that “it could not be business as usual.”

“I think the message went home. Pakistan Prime Minister Gilani got the message.” Coming from Dr. Singh, it had the “most devastating effect.”


Mr. Narayanan said New Delhi had never accused Pakistan’s political hierarchy of being involved in the attack on the Indian embassy.

“ISI is behind it, according to whatever information we have,” he said, adding it was hoped that the political leadership would take some action against either the rogue elements in it or the ISI operating without control.

Commenting on the Line of Control, Mr. Narayanan said there had been increased infiltrations, increased activity and firings. “Pakistan denies it but clearly that is not the truth.” On dialogue with Pakistan, he said India was maintaining and would like to emphasise the importance of composite dialogue. – PTI


The Hindu : National : Looking for the brains behind terror cells: M.K. Narayanan
 
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A profoundly sad event in the tumultuous history of Politics in Pakistan, much now seems to depend on whether Mr. Pervaiz Musharraf, Shah e Mardan, will be able to live in Pakistan.

Just a an observation - the following two years will no tbe kind to neither Zardari nor Sharif
 
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(Israeli)Q: Sir, are you satisfied with the coalition that's been built to go after al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden? And also, what response have you gotten from neighboring moderate Arab governments?

FM PERES: Satisfaction will not be the right description, because in politics, you don't order a la carte; you have to make comparisons among different alternatives. And I believe the war against bin Laden is not a permanent one, but the first dish on the agenda.

I understand, and I think it's right, that the first act should be to get hold of bin Laden and to get hold of the ones who give him shelter also and bring tragedy on the heads of their own people. And I understand perfectly well that in order to do so, you need the support of some Muslim countries, primarily the Pakistanis. I know it wasn't simple for the United States, for example, to tell the Indians that right now Pakistan must enjoy special relations. And we know it's not simple for the Pakistanis either; we can see the demonstrations in the streets against Musharraf.

Now, we are not children. We are not light-minded. As long as we don't have an alternative, we have to support the alternative which is available, even if you don't like it. But eventually, there will be no forgiveness to any country, Muslim or otherwise, that cause terror or support terror, directly, indirectly. And as I have said, I believe that this time, the camp against terror will be by far wider than ever before, maybe including Russia, China, India. You know, even the former non-aligned camp is disappearing because you cannot be non-aligned in face of death and terror. And that's why I said that the differences between East and West and North and South are disappearing. And if you ask me, I don't regret it that the world is becoming more united and more focused.

October 23, 2001 Remarks by Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres at a National press club morning newsmaker The national press club , Washington D.C. "New Middle East Realities In The Wake Of September The 11th"


Now try and misuse these words in every way in your power even ignore them if you feel so, Israel secret meetings it was all over the news if you recall, whose war... WoT their "front line ally" the "most allied ally" he is "our friend"....

They have been backing Musharraf long ago since the day he took power, he was instantly backed by the US, did you see how fast they took sanctions off Pakistan, he is a traitor one the must face a fair trial, but that will depend on his actions if still wants to stand stiff and still is reluctant for a fight than he will and should be tried.
 
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President Musharraf’s meeting with Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak

January 29th, 2008 by Kashif Aziz

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President Pervez Musharraf met with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak twice during his recent tour of Europe.

According to Haaretz.com, leading Israeli news site, the officials held two meetings in Paris - the first one brief, and the second one approximately an hour long.

Barak expressed to the Pakistani president his concern over the growing strength of extremist Islamic movements in Pakistan, and said he feared Pakistan’s nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of extremists.

Musharaff reportedly told Barak that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal was well guarded.

DAWN reports that, Mr Barak had taken the initiative and approached President Musharraf. He introduced himself and praised the president’s role in the war on terror, saying: “We support your people and back you due to your significance in securing world peace”.

President Musharraf reportedly placed his hand on Mr Barak’s shoulder and replied: “Thank you very much. God willing, I hope you will make progress in the peace process”.

Government of Pakistan has officially declared this as a “chance” meeting. Foreign Office Spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said the two dignitaries exchanged greetings and parted. “It was nothing more than a chance meeting and nothing was discussed there.”

Regarding the reported second meeting, the spokesman said he wasn’t aware of it.

Pakistan and Israel have no diplomatic ties and their officials rarely meet. But there have been several ‘chance meetings’ between the two sides in the past, apart from an arranged meeting between the then foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri and his then Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom in Turkey in 2005.

President Musharraf’s meeting with Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak | Pakistan Politics, Current Affairs, Business and Lifestyle | Chowrangi

Musharraf met Israeli defence minister

By Baqir Sajjad Syed

January 29, 2008

ISLAMABAD, Jan 28: President Pervez Musharraf last week met Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak in Paris and the Foreign Office described it as ‘a chance encounter’.

There are reports that the two leaders met again and discussed the nuclear arms issues, especially the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and Iran’s nuclear programme; the Middle East peace process; and the situation in Gaza.

The second meeting is said to have lasted about an hour.

Pakistan and Israel have no diplomatic ties and their officials rarely meet. But there have been several ‘chance meetings’ between the two sides in the past, apart from an arranged meeting between the then foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri and his then Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom in Turkey in 2005.

Foreign Office Spokesman Mohammad Sadiq confirmed to Dawn that President Musharraf had met Mr Barak in the lobby of Raphael Hotel in Paris on January 22 by chance when the president was leaving the hotel.

Both of them were staying in the same hotel.

According to the Israeli media, Mr Barak had taken the initiative and approached President Musharraf. He introduced himself and praised the president’s role in the war on terror, saying: “We support your people and back you due to your significance in securing world peace”.

President Musharraf reportedly placed his hand on Mr Barak’s shoulder and replied: “Thank you very much. God willing, I hope you will make progress in the peace process”.


Mr Sadiq said the two dignitaries exchanged greetings and parted. “It was nothing more than a chance meeting and nothing was discussed there.”

Regarding the reported second meeting, the spokesman said he wasn’t aware of it.

Diplomatic sources indicate that there have been extensive contacts between Israel and Pakistan at various levels. These meetings were said to have focussed on the nuclear issue.

Musharraf met Israeli defence minister -DAWN - Top Stories; January 29, 2008

To elaborate on the Israel - Musharraf connections.
 
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