IHS Janes | China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year.

[farhan_9909]

Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
02 February 2014

Pakistan could sign a deal to buy up to six submarines from China before the end of 2014, senior Pakistani government officials have told IHS Jane's .

A Pakistani government minister revealed in March 2011 that China had offered to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan although he did not specify details of the boats on offer. Western officials in Islamabad suggest that China's subsequent international marketing of the 'S20' or Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) suggests it could be a potential option for Pakistan.

A senior Pakistani government official told IHS Jane's that "the technical details are almost done.
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The next question is whether it would be The Yuan class as quoted by janes or the Upgraded Yuan-A

China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year, say officials - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Kompromat]

They are keeping it tight deliberately. The sub we will buy is still in development. AIP and Pumpjet are two key features.

 

[That Guy]

It's the S20, which means it's the scaled down version of the Yuan class.

Still, it's not bad, the PN is in desperate need of newer subs. This will alleviate some of the problems and shortcomings the PN is currently facing.

 

[farhan_9909]

AIP is must Though i want a Variant with SLCM launch capability such as the Dolphin class submarine of Israel navy

Babur cruise missile payload is similar to tomahawk which can carry a warhead of even upto 200kt.

6 of them with each having atleast 8 of them will give us a Good second strike capability

Anyway God some specs of S-20.Not sure if PN is negotiating for S-20 But here are the known specs of S-20 submarine by china

CSOC S20 SSK SubmarineCSOC was also showcasing a new submarine on its stand at IDEX: The S20. The CSOC representative gave us the following specifications for this new submarine:
Length: 66 meters
Breadth: 8 meters
Maximum Draft: 8 meters
Displacement (submerged): 2,200 tons
Maximum speed: about 20 Knots

Crew: 40The person declined to disclose the maximum depth and endurance of the S20. We were told the weapons fit may varry according to customer requirements but the S20 may accommodate heavy torpedoes and anti-ship missiles from six torpedo tubes and deploy mines and special forces. It may also be fitted with AIP (air-independent propulsion) system if a customer requires. Finally the CSOC representative declined to comment any similarities of the S20 with the existing Type 041 (Yuan class) submarine currently in service with the Chinese Navy.

Chinese Shipbuilder CSOC unveiled new Frigate, LHD and Submarine designs at IDEX 2013

 

[RAMPAGE]

Hope we get ToT for the AIP and the sensors at least.

 

[Superboy]

How does S20 compare to Scorpene? It seems bigger. Beam 8 meters compared to Scorpene's 6.2 meters.

 

[fatman17]

China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year, say officials

Author:Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad

Last posted:2014-02-03

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Pakistan's submarine fleet currently comprises Agosta 90B boats (second-of-class Saad is pictured) and ageing Agosta 70 vessels. (DCNS)

Pakistan could sign a deal to buy up to six submarines from China before the end of 2014, senior Pakistani government officials have stated.
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A Pakistani government minister revealed in March 2011 that China had offered to sell up to six submarines to Pakistan although he did not specify details of the boats on offer. Western officials in Islamabad suggest that China's subsequent international marketing of the 'S20' or Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) suggests it could be a potential option for Pakistan.

A senior Pakistani government official told stated that "the technical details are almost done. The present discussions are mainly about the financing details". A second Pakistani government official confirmed that "the contract is in an advanced stage and discussions will not linger on for too long. Realistically, we should have a deal by end 2014".

Pakistan's submarine fleet currently comprises Agosta 90B boats (second-of-class Saad is pictured) and ageing Agosta 70 vessels. (DCNS)

The submarine contract would further cement China's rapidly growing role as the main supplier of military hardware to Pakistan's armed forces and fill an important gap in Pakistan Navy (PN) capabilities. The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s. In 2009, the PN sought to purchase three German-built Type 214 submarines, but the plan was put on hold due to costs that at the time were reported to be in excess of USD2 billion.

Recent Sino-Pakistan contracts of potential interest to Islamabad's strategic interests include China's agreement to provide two large civil nuclear reactors to be based close to Karachi. According to Pakistani officials China's Eximbank agreed to extend a USD6.5 billion loan for the two reactors.

Additionally, the Sino-Pakistani-built JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft is reportedly the subject of talks between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia: a potential deal that Western officials said would not be discussed without Beijing's explicit consent.

COMMENT
A Sino-Pakistan submarine contract will be closely watched by Western officials for any signs that may suggest progression towards nuclear-powered boats. Pakistan's defence planners consider the absence of such a platform - which they would eventually want to see armed with submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missiles - as major disadvantage in a potential conflict with India.
However, Western officials believe China will hesitate to extend such advanced technology to Pakistan given the potential for a harsh reaction from the United States and its allies.
China's international marketing of the 'S20' or Yuan-class SSK suggests it could be a potential option for Pakistan.
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[monitor]

there were talks about Qing class sub which is biggest conventional power sub for Pakistan navy. now it seems China not going to sell its advance weapons to Pakistan but rather scale down version in name of Pakistan specific version . and Pakistan will claim it has fulfill our requirement .

 

[Kompromat]

@monitor

Qing is a 'testbed'.

 

[Genesis]

Either way from what I heard, this export sub isn't going to have AIP, maybe a few other features, but I heard that it is a deliberate move and any modification should be simple enough if the buyer wants it. I'm sure the west sells the system.

This is done to keep military secret also to cut cost I heard.

But the way things, maybe it will come with it, China does have it. We will have to see. But either way, easily upgradable.

 

[fatman17]

navy will not sign any agreement without AIP and modifications for western sensors.

 

[Jf Thunder]

what kind of sub is it?

 

[fatman17]

what kind of sub is it?

one that runs underwater....

 

[Jf Thunder]

one that runs underwater....

what i meant to say was is it nuclear or conventional diesel powered?

 

[Kompromat]

Either way from what I heard, this export sub isn't going to have AIP, maybe a few other features, but I heard that it is a deliberate move and any modification should be simple enough if the buyer wants it. I'm sure the west sells the system.

This is done to keep military secret also to cut cost I heard.

But the way things, maybe it will come with it, China does have it. We will have to see. But either way, easily
upgradable.

We want a 100% AIP fleet. Navy isn't going to accept anything else. We already operate AIP and odds of Pakistani input into Chinese AIP are bright.

What we want will be built according to our specs. We want to integrate Babur SLCM into most of our subs. One major reason we didn't buy the U-214s was that the Germans didn't allow us to have that capability on their subs.