If JF-17 as good as the F-16.

[Steakhouse]

Have fun then. Don't quote me if you got nothing to say.

Q



I will have fun and I won't quote you because I really don't care what you have to say.

 

[xyxmt]

Even Pakistan prefer second hand F-16's to JF-17. So proper question should be that If JF-17 is as good as F-16, why Pakistan is inducting F-16?


Frankly, we all know the truth.

they cannot make it fast enough, genius!

 

[Darth Vader]

Yes I have this question for a time if the JF-17 as good as the F-16 why China never inducted?.

Simple they are going for more modern planes China is way bigger than pakistan and they are competing with us which is going for 5th gene jets it will idiotic of china to invest in plane which doesnt meat their requirement and have better options available to them
you cant put f16 jf 17 tejas against f 22 f 35 pak fa no matter good jf 17 or 16 or tejas is so they are inducting planes which are more capable

 

[hussain0216]

Even Pakistan prefer second hand F-16's to JF-17. So proper question should be that If JF-17 is as good as F-16, why Pakistan is inducting F-16?


Frankly, we all know the truth.

50 block 1 JF 17s have been made these will all be upgraded to block 2 and a further 50 block 2s will be produced so by around 2017/18 Pakistan will have 100 Block 2 JF17s


In the meantime the F16 is a very potent aircraft that will continue service with the PAF for the foreseeable future and Pakistan will gradually add to both fleets and then exercise a 5th gen option

 

[acid rain]

Yes, the truth is that the Tejas is most powerful supa powa airplane in whole universe...Tejas can defeat the whole world. Tejas can fly in outer space...Tejas will take indians to Mars. Tejas can walk on water and turn jet fuel into wine. All hail the Tejas.

Don't know about tejas, but according to pakistani posters the super duper jf 17 will be used to shoot down India's space rockets, India's satellites, India's aircraft carriers and will take down IAF.....truly a multi role super star.

China cannot legally by anything as they are under arms embargo.

He's right..The Chinese did probably copy from the lavi.

 

[fatman17]

JFT has been compared to the F16 block 15 @ 80% of the F16 capabilities. The F16 is a mature platform with numerous varients. We need the J FT to mature (block II - III) before we can really compare their capabilities. But one thing is clear, the JFT is more capable than all the other types in PAF inventory (F7, Mirage). At this juncture that is the key point.

Yes I have this question for a time if the JF-17 as good as the F-16 why China never inducted?.

China opted for the heavier J10A/B/C, however J10 cannot replace all their J6/J7 regiments. When the JFT/FC-1 is fitted with a chinese engine, then we may see at least 300 FC-1s in the chinese airforce.

 

[Wasteland]

Well China has its own J-10B and JF-17 BLOCK II will be quite close to to F-16 BLOCK 52 and China already has several planes they are now focused on J-10 and J-16 and J-15 and 5th Generation Fighter Jets.

BULLSHIT! JF-17 block II and even block III will be nowhere close to F-16 block 52 !! not in radar performance, and not in combat range, and not in weapons load, not in electronic warfare capabilities, and not in weapons quality !! the F-16 block 52 has the APG-68V9 radar with a range of 300km and it's impossible to jam, even Rafale couldn't jam it with it's SPECTRA !

While the poor JF-17 radar has a range of nearly 130km ! it can detect F-16 from a range of about 40-50 km , and F-16 can detect JF-17 from a range of more than 120km !

And the Chinese air to air missiles performance sucks compared to AIM-120 or even AIM-7 Sparrow ! simply >

F-16 = combat proven

JF-17 = bullshit proven

 

[Zarvan]

BULLSHIT! JF-17 block II and even block III will be nowhere close to F-16 block 52 !! not in radar performance, and not in combat range, and not in weapons load, and not in weapons quality !! the F-16 block 52 has the APG-68V9 radar with a range of 300km and it's impossible to jam, even Rafale couldn't jam it with it's SPECTRA !

While the poor JF-17 radar has a range of nearly 130km ! it can detect F-16 from a range of about 40-50 km , and F-16 can detect JF-17 from a range of more than 120km !

And the Chinese air to air missiles performance sucks compared to AIM-120 or even AIM-7 Sparrow ! simply >

F-16 = combat proven

JF-17 = bullshit proven

JF-17 BLOCK II is close to BLOCK-52 but you can live in denial

 

[ares]

JF-17 BLOCK II is close to BLOCK-52 but you can live in denial

If that were true, at one third the price tag of F-16 Blk 52 and equivalent performance, JF-17 should have been selling like hot cakes.

Yet the only country buying it, is the one, which has no where else to buy from and for monetary and political reasons nothing else to buy.

 

[A2Z]

When the JFT/FC-1 is fitted with a chinese engine, then we may see at least 300 FC-1s in the chinese airforce.

Any idea when would JF-17 get chinese engine. Thunder with chinese engine would be good news.

 

[princefaisal]

F-16 has been flying in the air since 1974 (40 years) and has been modified several times and still there is room for it. All these modifications were done by highly qualified professionals of modern industry of the United States, where there is no restrictions in spending money on research works. Every small part of the F-16 has been specially designed and perfectly placed according to the requirement. But in JF-17 case, limited resources (financially and technically) are available. Credible source of RD-93 was not ensured previously but lots of time spent in resolving this issue. Then no one was willing to provide avionics and radar system but after passing years we managed to get a better avionics and radar from China. Similarly weapon systems also take time to mature. So with limited resources, Pakistan has build a very good fighter in the shape of JF-17.This can only be achieved through dedication, commitment, integrity and constant hard work of all the team members of PAF. With the passage of time, it will receive modifications and will inshallah surpass the F-16 in every sector. But the important thing is that it is indigenously build with no issues of spares supply during war.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

When the JFT/FC-1 is fitted with a chinese engine, then we may see at least 300 FC-1s in the chinese airforce.

J-10 uses Russian Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN engine. That did not stop Chinese inducting J-10s.

 

[My-Analogous]

BULLSHIT! JF-17 block II and even block III will be nowhere close to F-16 block 52 !! not in radar performance, and not in combat range, and not in weapons load, not in electronic warfare capabilities, and not in weapons quality !! the F-16 block 52 has the APG-68V9 radar with a range of 300km and it's impossible to jam, even Rafale couldn't jam it with it's SPECTRA !

While the poor JF-17 radar has a range of nearly 130km ! it can detect F-16 from a range of about 40-50 km , and F-16 can detect JF-17 from a range of more than 120km !

And the Chinese air to air missiles performance sucks compared to AIM-120 or even AIM-7 Sparrow ! simply >

F-16 = combat proven

JF-17 = bullshit proven

Reference please.
& Guess what both platform is in use of PAF and PAF is happy with JF17.

 

[Wasteland]

Reference please.
& Guess what both platform is in use of PAF and PAF is happy with JF17.

Yeah and i know Pakistan has the F-16 block 52 , it's just superior, radar, electronic warfare suite, and very small RCS. Comparing it to JF-17 block 99999 is just humiliation to the F-16 !!

ITT Supplies AIDEWS Pods for Pakistan F-16s | Defense: Aviation International News

V9 radar
AN/APG-68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


and here's the shit JF-17 radar
KLJ-7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Manticore]

Yeah and i know Pakistan has the F-16 block 52 , it's just superior, radar, electronic warfare suite, and very small RCS. Comparing it to JF-17 block 99999 is just humiliation to the F-16 !!

ITT Supplies AIDEWS Pods for Pakistan F-16s | Defense: Aviation International News

V9 radar
AN/APG-68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


and here's the shit JF-17 radar
KLJ-7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Will you be shooting a bvr from 300km?
If you just need situational awareness and longer range, then AWACS and refueler might help jft. Refuelers and antiship missiles etc which are not operational with paf f16s.
gambit has speculated that the rcs of a clean jft is in the same ballpark as the f16

As long as the jft remains a light fighter with smaller dimensions, lesser thrust engine, it wont have the same capability however will provide similar capability to paf for certain important missions . You dont always have to bring a gun for a knife fight

BULLSHIT! JF-17 block II and even block III will be nowhere close to F-16 block 52 !! not in radar performance, and not in combat range, and not in weapons load, not in electronic warfare capabilities, and not in weapons quality !! the F-16 block 52 has the APG-68V9 radar with a range of 300km and it's impossible to jam, even Rafale couldn't jam it with it's SPECTRA !

While the poor JF-17 radar has a range of nearly 130km ! it can detect F-16 from a range of about 40-50 km , and F-16 can detect JF-17 from a range of more than 120km !

And the Chinese air to air missiles performance sucks compared to AIM-120 or even AIM-7 Sparrow ! simply >

F-16 = combat proven

JF-17 = bullshit proven

sd10=sparrow? wow