If India does a Surgical strike in Pakistan, how would/should Pakistan respond??

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

" Pin pricks start wars "

This is a quote supposedly made by Napoleon Bonaparte.

My recommendations to Pakistani posters is to take this matter seriously. You Pakistanis have been a cause of the deaths of hundreds of thousand of muslims in india in retaliation to your comments and actions.

You Pakistanis live by your rhetoric and poke fun at india and degrade it and insult it and that riles their public up and then they strike at helpless muslims in india----rape, murder, pillaging, burning and looting of muslim businesses, ---name it and the indian muslims are victims of those atrocities.

I had a good indian friend Dr Mohammad---and he would say---" you Pakistanis have no clue what you do to us at these moments of crisis by you LOUD MOUTH THREATS TO INDIA ".

Pakistanis want to fight India---that is well and good---but the thing is capable warriors never take their enemies lightly and they never insult and degrade their opponents---.

So---please refrain from posting degrading cartoons---degrading comments---insults regarding physiology and attire and habbits.

Just learn to respect the enemy for who he is and what he is capable of---maybe you folks might see a change in your attitude and behavior as well.

 

[Xn Jin]

then KASHMIR badin KHALISTAN awal

 

[Winchester]

Wake up and smell the coffee! NDA is NOT UPA! they are very different!

Whats stopping you ???

As for these border skirmishes and who gets the upper hand.....well no one every punch is answered

3 civilians, 2 BSF men dead in Pak firing ahead of PM’s J&K visit: 10 key facts - Firstpost

As would be the case with any surgical strike !

Lets be clear here you guys wish that this was an Israel-Lebanon or Israel-Palestine scenario i mean doing to Lahore-Islamabad what Israel does in Beirut-Gaza your media would have loved it....Bollywood would start making movies about it but no that is not happening and the only thing preventing this is the knowledge that Pakistan will pay in the same coin.

 

[Blue Marlin]

india is not stupid enough to do that. india's policy towards Pakistan is to use militants to disrupt pakistans economic growth. this "could" be through the ttp in the north west of Pakistan and balochistan. this method drains Pakistan's resources to fight these people where it can be used elsewhere for development and investment. also with the militant threat deters investors and they stay way from Pakistan. the media also hypes things up and exaggerates on it internal and external affairs and that does not help also. also i noticed they (the media) always mention your nuclear armed and then mentions terrorist that is in my opinion the worst. now would be a good time to point out Pakistan nuclear security is greater than india's .and the general world opinion on Pakistan is negative. Pakistan need to focus on changing the world's perspective on Pakistan and balance your spending a bit more. one day Pakistan will be a great country and is on the slow path to being that. but it need to go a bit faster



(i do not want to directly blame anyone in terms of who supporting the militant's so i used the word "could")


one day both sides should come to being peaceful neighbours.

 

[FuturePAF]

india is not stupid enough to do that. india's policy towards Pakistan is to use militants to disrupt pakistans economic growth. this "could" be through the ttp in the north west of Pakistan and balochistan. this method drains Pakistan's resources to fight these people where it can be used elsewhere for development and investment.

also with the militant threat deters investors and they stay way from Pakistan. the media also hypes things up and exaggerates on it internal and external affairs and that does not help also. also i noticed they (the media) always mention your nuclear armed and then mentions terrorist that is in my opinion the worst.
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Great Points, Pakistan Needs to control its lose ends and contain its lawless quarters, while focusing on building up the economy and rebranding its image internally and world wide, as turkey has done over the past 30-40 years

military dictatorship to a modern democratic nation with a thriving economy, and surviving in a dangerous corner of the world, if not a roadmap for pakistan, at least in part a guide on some good choices to take

 

[SQ8]

At this point I am remember that song from that AB flick Mr Natwarlal.

Nothing is going to happen beyond the usual posturing. What is happening is that the Indian military is dying to flex some of its muscles with the backing of the now less than totally popular BJP government which needs to assert itself and hence PM Modi is letting Doval call all the shots with Pakistan and has himself resigned to remain aloof from any major decision lest it become a screwup. Whilst the Pakistani military is giving its usual bravado whilst hoping that anything beyond border firing doesn't happen since it too stretched out at this stage.Add to that Nawaz Sharif is trying his best to avoid being a bystander in another "limited" scenario like Kargil because the man knows no better.

So all that it is then is the usual episode of the Military forces on each side are getting their chance to beat their chest whilst hoping that in case something major really does happen their brown pants will hide any bowel movement because of it.

 

[Tiger Genie]

anyone wishing for another war is either moronic teenager incapable of consequences that thinks starting a war is the sign of strength or a jihadi nut that thinks causing death is passport to heavenly harems.

If a surgical strike occurs current Pakistani volatility does increase the chance that Pak military will have no choice but to reciprocate which can escalate into full scale war, at least for a few days. The loss will be totally for poor jawans and civilians on both sides.

Unlike the NE attack, Pakistani side terrorists have been very careful however and have made it almost always a one way trip - they do not run back or rather or not allowed to return and so strikes into Pakistan have been unnecessary.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Great Points, Pakistan Needs to control its lose ends and contain its lawless quarters, while focusing on building up the economy and rebranding its image internally and world wide, as turkey has done over the past 30-40 years

military dictatorship to a modern democratic nation with a thriving economy, and surviving in a dangerous corner of the world, if not a roadmap for pakistan, at least in part a guide on some good choices to take

thanks. the economy is good in terms of accounting, this should paint a clear picture of pakistans economic out look
http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapters_15/Overview_of_the_Economy.pdf
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...my-set-to-embark-on-higher-growth-trajectory/

 

[Tiger Genie]

@FuturePAF - You start of admitting India is bigger stronger and better connected yet you completely ignore the other side's response action just like Pakistani military did in 1971 and again in their Kargil misadventure. If as you say a submarine tries to knowck out some Indian facility, what will prevent India from doing the same thrice over and using its advantages as you admitted, expose that as justified punishment rather than allow Pakistan to 'spin' it as anything else?

Do you think in that circumstance China can or will lift a finger? Will China risk a rift and trade sanctions against it from the USA and Europe risking its own well being just to prove its 'friendship' with Pakistan? Will Pakistan be silly enough to risk it all just on the 'trust' that China may help?

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

" Pin pricks start wars "

This is a quote supposedly made by Napoleon Bonaparte.

My recommendations to Pakistani posters is to take this matter seriously. You Pakistanis have been a cause of the deaths of hundreds of thousand of muslims in india in retaliation to your comments and actions.

You Pakistanis live by your rhetoric and poke fun at india and degrade it and insult it and that riles their public up and then they strike at helpless muslims in india----rape, murder, pillaging, burning and looting of muslim businesses, ---name it and the indian muslims are victims of those atrocities.

I had a good indian friend Dr Mohammad---and he would say---" you Pakistanis have no clue what you do to us at these moments of crisis by you LOUD MOUTH THREATS TO INDIA ".

Pakistanis want to fight India---that is well and good---but the thing is capable warriors never take their enemies lightly and they never insult and degrade their opponents---.

So---please refrain from posting degrading cartoons---degrading comments---insults regarding physiology and attire and habbits.

Just learn to respect the enemy for who he is and what he is capable of---maybe you folks might see a change in your attitude and behavior as well.

That is all fine to a certain extent, patience is a virtue, but there are limits. I cannot forget the non-sense these people spewed when innocent children died in the APS attack.

Every time something happens in India, the operation or something is not even over, and their media and people start blaming Pakistan. We've had enough of this non-sense. By overusing the same old script again and again, they aren't really helping themselves.

@FuturePAF - You start of admitting India is bigger stronger and better connected yet you completely ignore the other side's response action just like Pakistani military did in 1971 and again in their Kargil misadventure. If as you say a submarine tries to knowck out some Indian facility, what will prevent India from doing the same thrice over and using its advantages as you admitted, expose that as justified punishment rather than allow Pakistan to 'spin' it as anything else?

Do you think in that circumstance China can or will lift a finger? Will China risk a rift and trade sanctions against it from the USA and Europe risking its own well being just to prove its 'friendship' with Pakistan? Will Pakistan be silly enough to risk it all just on the 'trust' that China may help?

Please educate yourself before you wreck yourself.

No matter what USA and Europe do, you cannot enforce trade sanctions against an entity that your own economy is so well dependent on it. Please tell one instance where USA enforced such a trade sanction. Just one example would be enough.

Europe tried to enforce sanctions against Russia, yet they found a middle ground, because in the end they realized, with the closure of Gas supplies to Europe in main land winter, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Tiger Genie]

@Donatello - you are making my point ...when there is such dependency neither side will enter someone else's conflict. Which leaves Pakistan orphaned. As in the past.

 

[FuturePAF]

@FuturePAF - You start of admitting India is bigger stronger and better connected yet you completely ignore the other side's response action just like Pakistani military did in 1971 and again in their Kargil misadventure. If as you say a submarine tries to knowck out some Indian facility, what will prevent India from doing the same thrice over and using its advantages as you admitted, expose that as justified punishment rather than allow Pakistan to 'spin' it as anything else?

Do you think in that circumstance China can or will lift a finger? Will China risk a rift and trade sanctions against it from the USA and Europe risking its own well being just to prove its 'friendship' with Pakistan? Will Pakistan be silly enough to risk it all just on the 'trust' that China may help?

obviously india is stronger, but that alone is not decisive because these are not wars of total conquest, but shadow boxing, if short of a full fledged war, they are chest thumping contests, where the poor jawans suffer for the sake of the political leaders in Dehli and Islamabad

The point is Pakistan has to respond somehow, its goal will be to prevent a full fledged war but show a strong response, it has to save face (which should be the reason why india should know not to start surgical strikes in the first place, following a new false flag operation)

Second its Reponse will be three fold

1. Punitive; destroy something that causes some amount of awe (ammunition dump of high tech naval arms in mumbai naval base for all the world's media to see, focusing on the munitions and not the men, for example, or overload communications by taking out key nodes)
2. Absorb an Indian Counter-Counter Response; lose some C4ISR assets, ammo dumps, possibly a few minor naval assets, but in this show the world the conflict is "dangerously" escalating ... "red lines maybe" a future prime minister might say
3. call on the world to stop the escalation (as think tanks would say, "find an off ramp"), taking the strategic assets out for the satellites to convince the world that this has gone to far (this was not an option in 1971, and only faintly an option in 1999, in 2015 it is all to real)

China barely has to lift a finger to show solidarity with Pakistan, considering the good job india is doing to antagonize china vis a vi Vietnam and the south china sea, China will get a chance to play the neighborly statesman

Even minor Chinese actions, such as those in Ladakh, of walking some troops with tents around, are enough to shake up the Indian establishment, coupled that with some kind of minor economic action will be enough (freeze the export of something), and put it in place for the week or two weeks the conflict lasts, and then remove it like nothing happened when the conflict ends

businesses on all sides will want to get back to normal, because all sides have something to lose, but china will have done just enough vis a vi the rhetoric it says to Pakistan about their friendship

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in this way Pakistan will not have to have its troops move close to the indian land border than a regular border mobilization, and can use maybe four submarines a few hundred miles off the coast to bring baburs to bare

no repeat of kargil, and it will tie up some of the IN in ASW off its coast, allowing more of a chance for the government in Islamabad to ask the world to stop the escalation (its all about buying time and de-escalating, while showing pakistan has the ability to strike back, thats what its been about since 1971, with the exception of kargil)

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and this buying time position the Pakistani military has is passe
it is to buy time to do somethig useful

Pakistan needs to develop economically, culturally, and build up strong institutions so that it has a better offer it can give to the people of Indian occupied kashmir
once it is going in that direction, and it can gets it security situtation in check; it can start to provide opportunities to all citizens, kashmiris will want to be either part of pakistan or independent.

wooing the kashmiris should be what the Pakistani government should be doing, vis a vi the economy and governance

 

[Folkhindusnsikhs]

india will not, cannot and shall not strike.

 

[Tiger Genie]

obviously india is stronger, but that alone is not decisive because these are not wars of total conquest, but shadow boxing, if short of a full fledged war, they are chest thumping contests, where the poor jawans suffer for the sake of the political leaders in Dehli and Islamabad

The point is Pakistan has to respond somehow, its goal will be to prevent a full fledged war but show a strong response, it has to save face (which should be the reason why india should know not to start surgical strikes in the first place, following a new false flag operation)

Second its Reponse will be three fold

1. Punitive; destroy something that causes some amount of awe (ammunition dump of high tech naval arms in mumbai naval base for all the world's media to see, focusing on the munitions and not the men, for example, or overload communications by taking out key nodes)
2. Absorb an Indian Counter-Counter Response; lose some C4ISR assets, ammo dumps, possibly a few minor naval assets, but in this show the world the conflict is "dangerously" escalating ... "red lines maybe" a future prime minister might say
3. call on the world to stop the escalation (as think tanks would say, "find an off ramp"), taking the strategic assets out for the satellites to convince the world that this has gone to far (this was not an option in 1971, and only faintly an option in 1999, in 2015 it is all to real)

China barely has to lift a finger to show solidarity with Pakistan, considering the good job india is doing to antagonize china vis a vi Vietnam and the south china sea, China will get a chance to play the neighborly statesman

Even minor Chinese actions, such as those in Ladakh, of walking some troops with tents around, are enough to shake up the Indian establishment, coupled that with some kind of minor economic action will be enough (freeze the export of something), and put it in place for the week or two weeks the conflict lasts, and then remove it like nothing happened when the conflict ends

businesses on all sides will want to get back to normal, because all sides have something to lose, but china will have done just enough vis a vi the rhetoric it says to Pakistan about their friendship

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in this way Pakistan will not have to have its troops move close to the indian land border than a regular border mobilization, and can use maybe four submarines a few hundred miles off the coast to bring baburs to bare

no repeat of kargil, and it will tie up some of the IN in ASW off its coast, allowing more of a chance for the government in Islamabad to ask the world to stop the escalation (its all about buying time and de-escalating, while showing pakistan has the ability to strike back, thats what its been about since 1971, with the exception of kargil)

Ask yourself how much of this is calculated guesswork vs assumptions and wishful thinking.

That aside, your fundamental point that Pakistan has to 'do something'....that do something is BEFORE inviting any surgical strike. As I pointed out, even if the cross border terrorism escalates several times over, as long as the terrorists do not try to or succeed in returning alive to Pakistan, India will not have to perform any strategic surgery. When the terrorists are caught alive (happens very very rarely) Pakistan simply denies they are Pakistani. If their communication is sourced, Pakistan can simply reuse the Lakhvi routine.

Even tactically I think it would be advantageous for India to just kill the terrorists before they are able to return home to Pakistan and then incur the expense of surgical strikes.

The Myanmar episode was completely different because the terrorists returned and hid away in the jungle across the border.

 

[Folkhindusnsikhs]

Ask yourself how much of this is calculated guesswork vs assumptions and wishful thinking.

That aside, your fundamental point that Pakistan has to 'do something'....that do something is BEFORE inviting any surgical strike. As I pointed out, even if the cross border terrorism escalates several times over, as long as the terrorists do not try to or succeed in returning alive to Pakistan, India will not have to perform any strategic surgery. When the terrorists are caught alive (happens very very rarely) Pakistan simply denies they are Pakistani. If their communication is sourced, Pakistan can simply reuse the Lakhvi routine.

Even tactically I think it would be advantageous for India to just kill the terrorists before they are able to return home to Pakistan and then incur the expense of surgical strikes.

The Myanmar episode was completely different because the terrorists returned and hid away in the jungle across the border.

Your prime minister modi is the mother of all terrorists, sit down you delusional idiot. The only shooting you guys will do, is into a durex.