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Pentagon say F35 fighter jet lost against F16 because it had no stealth paint | Daily Mail Online
US latest F-35 stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by F-16 from 1970s | Daily Mail Online
In any case, PAF F-16s have repeatedly shot down EF Typhoons during mock combat, the Typhoons on the other hand have made mince meat of the SU-30 MKI. .... F-35 should be least of your worries.
Which army will be entering Israeli air space?
the F 35 is not an interceptor. It will not be fielded against planes directly above it and it is not meant to be used in that context.
Read on the direction the drone plus the F 35 is taking and you will understand how it is meant to be fielded. . I agree that the decreased radar signature is not going to make it invisible but will give it significant advantages.
Yes, I agree that our borders are very close together and 5th generation jets will be useless if they are flying into the other country directly or flying in from a forward base, but rather the purpose of 5th generation fighters in this context is to fly at a distance using their BVR's to take out enemy planes without getting in their range. As the radar signature decreases the distance needed for enemy fighters to lock on to the jet increases also.
With BVR's missiles moving above 100 KM range and radar detection being difficult 5th generation planes will be far away from the actual fighting but still giving air cover.
The F 35 have not been designed to partake in close combat, and there is no situation where America will have to field it in that purpose. Yes, it may not suit the nations which buy it but will make American Air force much more capable and for the American purposes is a very potent jet.
correct, alright. Mig-29 had BVR F-16 didn't.Corrected for you
Keep dreaming though. JF 17 will be shot down before it could even come near a F-35. This won't be your first and your last delusion on PDF.
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Dammmmnnnnn----I just can't believe that this troll thread is 5 pages long----. It was started for the sake of fun.
Dude---this is just a troll thread
Yeah---I cannot believe that it has gone 5 pages----over 2000 views and close to 70 posts
However, they ignore the fact that the WVR engagement ability as a whole was not being judged, its extensive RAM coating was not applied, the software and technology that it would make use in a dogfight was not used, its IRST, JHMCS, and other sensors were not tested. And as for the argument of it being bulky, it is, however the internal weapons bays, reduces its signature and its drag coefficient, thus improving its flight characteristics in full configuration vs its opponent.
What you've suggested here from the start makes some sense, and has some arguments in its favour, but it is false, simply put, such sweeping statements are usually not applicable.
Do you understand what exercises are?
Sir, would be able to save our sky with JF17 ? I am a big fan of your. We don't have a huge budget but we are a defensive force. Can we take America and India if it come to war ? It won't be difficult for us to produce JF17 if we come to war. Thanks in advance.
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Sir,
Why do you think that you have to fight the U S? We are the only sane and stable muslim state left in the region. The oncoming of isis has given us a new life.
Truthfully----we won't be able to save our skies from India alone if it has the courage to absorb its losses---if it can absorb a loss of a 100 aircraft in the first few days.
As I have stated many a times that Paf has deceived the nation for its preparedness to take on IAF. Amongst many a things----to fight an enemy is a mental thing as well.
WHEN DOUBTS & CONCERNS CREEP UP---MISTAKES HAPPEN. And you may ask how to create doubts and concerns----. In our case---you need to have a potent weapon---something that may create concern in the enemy. So---when there is concern---there are doubts---when there are doubts---mistakes happen---courage comes into question.
At this time---PAF does not have any air craft in its arsenal that can make that claim going into the battle from day one.
But--if its aircraft make a decisive strike at the enemy in the first 48 hours and come out ahead----then you can say---okay---now the enemy has concerns----but that is after the fact----. It is like a maybe----it is like betting on a cricket game---. You just cannot build a nations strength on maybe alone or on bets---you should never take the enemy of being stupid and weak and you should never doubt their courage.
Now there is a way to use the strength of the JF 17---you have to compliment it with the presence of a heavy aircraft to give it cover and position it for air defense.
That could be a euro fighter, SU 35, a J 11, F 16 BLK 60 or an F 18 super hornet.
And to those---who want to say cost is a factor---please---this discussion is not for you. Paf has been hijacked by a fighter mafia which believes in smaller aircraft.
It has been 14 years since 9 / 11. Paf had every opportunity to strengthen its assets---it has tragically failed to meet that target---it is full of excuses, excuses and more excuses.
Sir thanks for a detailed reply. It means it is all hoax and we are not at all prepared to take on our arch enemy. Yes i agree with you that we have not done anything in last 10 to 15 years but your first post made me optimistic. Thanks for clarifying it though.
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Hi,
In the last 14 years--the Air force Air chief---the air marshall should have been charged for high treason----the first time was that did not procure a potent air suoeriority fighter in the forst 3 to 4 years after the sanctions came off---2. after the strike on the base in Karachi that destroyed the surveillance planes---that would be the naval chief as well 3. when the terrorists destroyed the aircraft at Kamra---.
If these guys had received the same treatment as Kim Jon Unh gave to his defense minister for drowsing---ie execution by an anti air craft gun----paf would have been running like a smooth running Toyota corolla.
There is one incidence before that----that was the shooting down of the navy aircraft after Kargil. Both naval chief---naval base commander----the PAF base commander should have been executed for firt letting that aircraft fly---second for not providing it air cover.
PAF has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that it is its brothers keeper yet.