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Here too, China is ahead of lack luster India.
Even Malaysia & Turkey are ahead of the so called fastest economy.
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Fine. I had not seen it properly. Both are very much identical in appearance. And ya, Indian education is not only on display here , it is everywhere. You can see it it on any center of excellence across the world. You do not have a tiny share of it.
Should have included classes teaching not to shit outside. So many indian kids die because of health related to shitting outside problems. Indians have much below average life expectancy and overall so poor in health sectors. Why don't you teach your fellow Indians to use toilet in your world class education system?
 
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Should have included classes teaching not to shit outside. So many indian kids die because of health related to shitting outside problems. Indians have much below average life expectancy and overall so poor in health sectors. Why don't you teach your fellow Indians to use toilet in your world class education system?

We are teaching our children whatever is good. We have a target of 100% senitation in coming couple of years but you do not have any such program and continue to be a filty nation and society as ever. So enjoy your filth. Actually you like it so it is not an issue for you guys.
 
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We are teaching our children whatever is good. We have a target of 100% senitation in coming couple of years but you do not have any such program and continue to be a filty nation and society as ever. So enjoy your filth. Actually you like it so it is not an issue for you guys.
Bangladesh is open defecation free. What are you on about? :cuckoo:

Bangladesh's child mortality is 4/5th of India's and live many years longer with above average life expectancy. We don't need advice on filth from the filthiest country on earth where open defecation is part of life. Come back when you join the modern world and not stuck on 1000 BC shitting outside on the beach and rail tracks.
 
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Bangladesh is open defecation free. What are you on about? :cuckoo:

Bangladesh's child mortality is 4/5th of India's and live many years longer with above average life expectancy. We don't need advice on filth from the filthiest country on earth where open defecation is part of life. Come back when you join the modern world and not stuck on 1000 BC shitting outside on the beach and rail tracks.


I like your 1000 BC remark. Your nation born in 1971 when it dropped from sky so naturally it is a very modern Nation. . You dot have the past but I hope that you will have some future. I am not here to discuss your filth and your uninterrupted supply of sex workers across the world. Fine if you have progressed, I wish you good luck. We are a big nation with big goal and we are marching to achieve it. We know very well what our weaknesses are and we are all set to overcome it. So enjoy your believing whatever pleases you. Your millions of citizens have migrated to India to live in shit (As per your statement) rather than living in your so called Modern nation. I hope that your modern nation will not import bicycle parts from India anymore. Enjoy your modernity.
 
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I like your 1000 BC remark. Your nation born in 1971 when it dropped from sky so naturally it is a very modern Nation. . You dot have the past but I hope that you will have some future. I am not here to discuss your filth and your uninterrupted supply of sex workers across the world. Fine if you have progressed, I wish you good luck. We are a big nation with big goal and we are marching to achieve it. We know very well what our weaknesses are and we are all set to overcome it. So enjoy your believing whatever pleases you. Your millions of citizens have migrated to India to live in shit (As per your statement) rather than living in your so called Modern nation. I hope that your modern nation will not import bicycle parts from India anymore. Enjoy your modernity.

It’s rich that an Indian is lecture someone about history. When itself was created by the British in 1947 after years of begging. India never fought for independence, only begged for one. Than it hijacked a name that ancient foreigner originally given to the region in Pakistan.

A better name for India would be Gangastan or SupaPowa. Sp12 should be the official name of India.
 
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Indians are hungry, and indians are exporting food???
@Bussard Ramjet @Nilgiri This is madness!

Distribution logistics + poverty are very different to total food production. Farmers must be allowed to seek the best price for their produce as much as possible, including foreign markets.

I hope @Dungeness has studied why flooding an area with surplus food for example actually crushes it long term nutritionally (esp when famine/drought is over). Food aid programs in Africa have killed way more children than wars have.

This is very different though to what Mao did regarding the Famine of GLF.

@Joe Shearer
 
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india china has roughly the same population but china had thrice more land/resources plus china had a big advantage of developed neighbours like korea and japan.

india, pakistan bangladesh and srilanka are continuously embroiled in a state of war and tension

china was never colonised so its resources were not looted through colonialism compared to 200 years of british colonization in india.

china became capital economy in 1970s while india became in 1990s

secondly india is very multiethnic and there seem to lots of conflicts, china is one ethnicity mainly han chinese so it makes things easy

india doesnt have the same dynamic as china, china is a commie state, everything is implemented on push of a button, where as india needs to deal a lot with bureaucracy, plus has to take along with all sorts of opinions and conflicts which is not possible with a push of a button.

chinese dynamic would never work in india as india is made of nations

it also seems that indian government has bias when it comes to policies, the northern states like bihar UP are very neglected even though majority of indian population resides in UP Bihar.

once an indian MP said, pakistan can have bihar in exchange of Kashmir.

kashmir is always a battle ground betwen india pak where as china faces no such wars.

india missed the trick when china became free market in 1970s, it gave china free hand to take all western investment and thus there was nothing left for india in 90s
 
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india doesnt have the same dynamic as china, china is a commie state, everything is implemented on push of a button, where as india needs to deal a lot with bureaucracy, plus has to take along with all sorts of opinions and conflicts which is not possible with a push of a button.

Really? That comment of yours is probably a demonstration of another Indian innovation: Education.

If push of a button helped grow at around 10% for 40 years, I guess India would be first to copy it because it would be so easy to develop with little effort.

Obviously you have no idea about China's sophisticated, millennium old governance model which has developed into one of the most efficient, experimental and long-vision governments in the world.

In fact, if you read any academic level paper on governance system in China, you will repeatedly see one concept: Experimentalism.

China is a huge experiment and feedback country in terms of governance decisions. At any given time, there are about 8000 pilot public projects going on in China with direct feedback from its direct stakeholders.

Any policy revealed today will have a history of several years in trials, piloting, surveying and deliberation in China.

Sorry to break it to you, there is no push-button which you Indians dream of (because it would be so easy for SP12 to jump out of your current miserable conditions, right?)

Your attempt to hide India's inefficiency, short-vision, and political corruption on a lack of government power to make decisions is tragicomic, at best.

Yet, it also tells a lot about your thinking patterns that give people like you (which are probably in millions) enough brain comfort:

Inefficiency and underdevelopment = SP12 Democracy
Efficiency and development = Push-button decision making

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Now I found it: SP12-type democracy is India's greatest innovation (that no one in their sane mind would wish to copy).
 
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Really? That's probably another Indian innovation: Education.

If push of a button helped grow at around 10% for 40 years, I guess India would be first to copy it because it would be so easy to develop with little effort.

Obviously you have no idea about China's sophisticated, millennium old governance model which has developed into one of the most efficient, experimental and long-vision government.

In fact, if you read any academic level paper on governance system in China, you will repeatedly see one concept: Experimentalism.

China is a huge experiment and feedback country in terms of governance decisions. At any given time, there are about 8000 pilot public projects going on in China with direct feedback from its direct stakeholders.

Any policy revealed today will have a history of several years in trials, piloting, surveying and deliberation in China.

Sorry to break it to you, there is no push-button which you Indians dream of (because it would be so easy for SP12 to jump out of your current miserable conditions, right?)

Your attempt to hide India's inefficiency, short-vision, and political corruption on a lack of government power to make decisions is tragicomic, at best.

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Now I found it: SP12-type democracy is India's greatest innovation (that no one in their sane mind wishes to copy).

in one millennium you were ruled by foreigners for 700 years by mongols and manchus, only original chinese government was ming dynasty.

your communist regime was formed in 1949 where as indian democratic regime was founded in 1947, so infact indian governance is older than yours.

unlike china india cannot be governed by communist regime, and even in a less multicultural country like pakistan, dictatorial regime was never accepted, it came and then it went away.

indian democracy is actually performing miracles how it is not only governing country like india but also making a lot of progress in past few decades.

not to mention inda was looted and plundered by british for 200 years, india was a lot poorer than china when it ained its independence so its not expected that india will miraculously overtake china especially when china has far more resourses being three times the size of india with equal population.
 
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india china has roughly the same population but china had thrice more land/resources plus china had a big advantage of developed neighbours like korea and japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country
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India actually has more arable land than China. Most of China's area is mountain and desert, that includes large portions of Southern China (mountains). This boosts the importance of infrastructure and make development relatively difficult and capital heavy compared to a flatter nation. Per unit of area, China has greater agricultural production. Chinese farmers are simply more motivated for production due to the incentive/social structure and the efforts in agricultural technology. Every rural peasant family owns land and agriculture is deeply embedded in Chinese culture. At early stages this resolved subsistence but created large numbers of subsistence farmers. Later with greater capital inputs like tractors and other farm machines/technologies, greater production density could be achieved. These methods generally work in larger scale. Instead of selling their land, many farmers are creating collectives or companies with other farmers and hiring professionals for operations. The farmers lease the land to the company and get profit sharing, if they are in need of work they can work for the agro company. In other cases they can look for work in cities, start their own businesses, etc since they have a stable passive income.

Before China's opening up in 1979 there were efforts to increase the agricultural productivity in order to offset the rural productive labour displacement from urbanisation and factory production. These were successful and resulted in quite affordable and abundant food supply for the nation.

india, pakistan bangladesh and srilanka are continuously embroiled in a state of war and tension
State of war and tension is classic balance of power strategy, it can be put in place by an external force or self induced. Its cause is not that important, what is important is getting out of it and it is up to one's own nation to initiate such efforts, it is always easy to blame the situation. China amended it with Japan and other neighbours, apparent by the low military spending, China spends 1.3% of gdp and Japan spends 1% of gdp on military. Yes, there is tension and disagreements but that is quite normal, both nations cooperate economically quite well.

china was never colonised so its resources were not looted through colonialism compared to 200 years of british colonization in india.
Although there was no colonization, China paid a heavy price for the opium wars and first sino-japanese war. A great sum of money was paid out and China paid the equivalent of 6.4 times Japan's government revenue for the first sino-japanese war.

secondly india is very multiethnic and there seem to lots of conflicts, china is one ethnicity mainly han chinese so it makes things easy
Ethnic groups are the product of common history and certain cultural traits/beliefs. Ethnic groups can be destroyed and new ones can be created but their descendents can genetically live on as new ethnic groups. That has been the reality throughout history and will be true in the future.

india doesnt have the same dynamic as china, china is a commie state, everything is implemented on push of a button, where as india needs to deal a lot with bureaucracy, plus has to take along with all sorts of opinions and conflicts which is not possible with a push of a button.
As long as people are stuck in the war of "low level ideologies" they will be chained to a functionally external narrative for internal development. AKA communism vs capitalism, autocracy vs democracy, religion A vs religion B, the list goes on. Most outsiders don't understand how China works simply because they don't understand Chinese language and culture.

What is the purpose of bureaucracy but to facilitate a desired outcome?

in one millennium you were ruled by foreigners for 700 years by mongols and manchus, only original chinese government was ming dynasty.

your communist regime was formed in 1949 where as indian democratic regime was founded in 1947, so infact indian governance is older than yours.

unlike china india cannot be governed by communist regime, and even in a less multicultural country like pakistan, dictatorial regime was never accepted, it came and then it went away.

indian democracy is actually performing miracles how it is not only governing country like india but also making a lot of progress in past few decades.

not to mention inda was looted and plundered by british for 200 years, india was a lot poorer than china when it ained its independence so its not expected that india will miraculously overtake china especially when china has far more resourses being three times the size of india with equal population.
While the PRC was founded in 1949, China is a continuous civilisation for 5000 years, its governing structure has long roots irrespective of its name, a reason why you can't understand contemporary China through "isms". China is a bigger concept than any ethnic group, its civilisation lives on. Its not a classic nation state. Saying China doesn't exist because its leader was mongolian or manchu is like saying Europe as a concept doesn't exist because Germans became Europe's leader instead of Romans or that London is not British since it has a Muslim mayor of Pakistani heritage. Today Germans use Latin script, today Manchus use Han script. Han ethnic group itself was the product of hundreds of tribes or old ethnic groups. Are Americans not American because they don't have ancestors from the mayflower?

"Miracles" like what? can you specify? I want to learn more.

Most of China's population is in the Eastern lowlands due to rainfall and geography.
 
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India actually has more arable land than China. Most of China's area is mountain and desert

this is your first misconception, today modern economy is not based on agriculture, it is based on raw mterials mined from mountains and deserts.

agriculture becomes a burden on the economy due to increased population.

prime examples are gangetic plains of india which are very fertile, but have immense population and no mountains to mine.

not to mention that indian lands do through dry seasons, there is rainfall in india only in monsoon, in dry periods period it becomes a barren land.

rest ill reply later.
 
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in one millennium you were ruled by foreigners for 700 years by mongols and manchus, only original chinese government was ming dynasty.

your communist regime was formed in 1949 where as indian democratic regime was founded in 1947, so infact indian governance is older than yours.

unlike china india cannot be governed by communist regime, and even in a less multicultural country like pakistan, dictatorial regime was never accepted, it came and then it went away.

indian democracy is actually performing miracles how it is not only governing country like india but also making a lot of progress in past few decades.

not to mention inda was looted and plundered by british for 200 years, india was a lot poorer than china when it ained its independence so its not expected that india will miraculously overtake china especially when china has far more resourses being three times the size of india with equal population.

Mongol ruled 90 years and Manchus led dynasty 270 years. 360 in total. Both claimed Chinese mandate of heaven, followed Chinese imperial system, culture and language. Imperial China, like any empire of that era, was no nation state. Various minorities lived under the realm of Chinese emperor. Manchus were in fact subject of Ming dynasty, who later seized the throne by allying with another faction of Han Chinese.

Not counting imperial era, Republican ruled China since 1911, way before communist took power in 1949. India was still a British colony.

Under British, India GDP grew by almost 3 times to 255 mil. Population increased from 170 mil to 414 mill. (Data from Maddison) In 1947, British left India with much better infrastructure, best railway system in Asia. And India was shield from the destruction of WW2 unlike East Asia and Southeast Asia.
 
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Do not hide behind US flags. When you type a single word here, you expose your truth. All innovation of china is ctrl+c> Ctrl+V.
Oh? Now is the India 400 million illiterates talking about innovation?? :azn:

I like your 1000 BC remark. Your nation born in 1971 when it dropped from sky so naturally it is a very modern Nation. . You dot have the past but I hope that you will have some future. I am not here to discuss your filth and your uninterrupted supply of sex workers across the world. Fine if you have progressed, I wish you good luck. We are a big nation with big goal and we are marching to achieve it. We know very well what our weaknesses are and we are all set to overcome it. So enjoy your believing whatever pleases you. Your millions of citizens have migrated to India to live in shit (As per your statement) rather than living in your so called Modern nation. I hope that your modern nation will not import bicycle parts from India anymore. Enjoy your modernity.
india china has roughly the same population but china had thrice more land/resources plus china had a big advantage of developed neighbours like korea and japan.

india, pakistan bangladesh and srilanka are continuously embroiled in a state of war and tension

china was never colonised so its resources were not looted through colonialism compared to 200 years of british colonization in india.

china became capital economy in 1970s while india became in 1990s

secondly india is very multiethnic and there seem to lots of conflicts, china is one ethnicity mainly han chinese so it makes things easy

india doesnt have the same dynamic as china, china is a commie state, everything is implemented on push of a button, where as india needs to deal a lot with bureaucracy, plus has to take along with all sorts of opinions and conflicts which is not possible with a push of a button.

chinese dynamic would never work in india as india is made of nations

it also seems that indian government has bias when it comes to policies, the northern states like bihar UP are very neglected even though majority of indian population resides in UP Bihar.

once an indian MP said, pakistan can have bihar in exchange of Kashmir.

kashmir is always a battle ground betwen india pak where as china faces no such wars.

india missed the trick when china became free market in 1970s, it gave china free hand to take all western investment and thus there was nothing left for india in 90s
All of these do not change the fact that India is a backward agricultural country.

Hunger is worse than North Korea.
Life expectancy is lower than North Korea.
The literacy rate is even lower than most of the African countries.

So now...

—— Now, even if India is a BBB- country, China still does not stop helping India. In many ways, India relies on Chinese technology, including 5G networks, rail transit, renewable energy, infrastructure... Even weapon system.

Communication equipment.

5G deployment in India will happen in line with global timeline: Huawei

Rail traffic and train chips.

Chinese firm exports transistor chips for Indian locomotives

Exports eight-inch chips to India

CRRC Dalian obtains metro vehicle export order from Nagpur, India

China’s CRRC to provide 14 subway trains with 112 carriages to India

China set to export trains for Mumbai Metro Rail project

China's leading train manufacturer starts operation in India

Kolkata Metro Unveils Design of CNR Dalian Trains

Chinese Corporation CRRC to supply coaches to Nagpur Metro

Chinese firm gets Rs 604 contract for Mumbai metro rail proj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_1_(Mumbai_Metro)

and, Delhi metro escalator also comes from the Chinese company - Canny.

http://www.canny-elevator.com/en/new_info.aspx?newsid=956&NewsCateId=168

Renewable energy.

China’s Sany Plans 1 GW Renewable Energy Capacity In India

Engineering equipment.

Sany India secure orders the maldives tens of millions of do

We even helped the India cannon reach the Saudi level.

Fake Chinese spares for indigenised Bofors guns

Now the India cannon is close to the Saudi level.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen

And the basis @Syama Ayas;India's B??? Missile is a copy of the Chinese missile(sorry, I forgot its name).

India should be more grateful to us. Because we help India missiles reach Turkey level!

Turkey Is Ready To Export Chinese Ballistic Missiles
 
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It’s rich that an Indian is lecture someone about history. When itself was created by the British in 1947 after years of begging. India never fought for independence, only begged for one. Than it hijacked a name that ancient foreigner originally given to the region in Pakistan.

A better name for India would be Gangastan or SupaPowa. Sp12 should be the official name of India.

This is a history taught to a child in CPC reeducation camp. What India was there in ancient time, is narrated none other than a Chinese monk who had visited India when Islam had almost born. His name was Xuanzang. He has narrated in his bool what India was there in that time. He has narrated India as if it was a heaven on the earth. Anyway, I do not expect any correct history knowledge from you as I can understand that how a human being will evolved when he will grow up when he is taught propaganda in a CPC reeducation camps with no access to any knowledge or information of outside world. One who has always have to show loyalty CPC goon to be in their good book. Have you seen that propaganda movie in Xi ? How is it? Can you write a review of this same in forum for the knowledge of Forum members?

Oh? Now is the India 400 million illiterates talking about innovation?? :azn:




All of these do not change the fact that India is a backward agricultural country.

Hunger is worse than North Korea.
Life expectancy is lower than North Korea.
The literacy rate is even lower than most of the African countries.

So now...

—— Now, even if India is a BBB- country, China still does not stop helping India. In many ways, India relies on Chinese technology, including 5G networks, rail transit, renewable energy, infrastructure... Even weapon system.

Communication equipment.

5G deployment in India will happen in line with global timeline: Huawei

Rail traffic and train chips.

Chinese firm exports transistor chips for Indian locomotives

Exports eight-inch chips to India

CRRC Dalian obtains metro vehicle export order from Nagpur, India

China’s CRRC to provide 14 subway trains with 112 carriages to India

China set to export trains for Mumbai Metro Rail project

China's leading train manufacturer starts operation in India

Kolkata Metro Unveils Design of CNR Dalian Trains

Chinese Corporation CRRC to supply coaches to Nagpur Metro

Chinese firm gets Rs 604 contract for Mumbai metro rail proj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_1_(Mumbai_Metro)

and, Delhi metro escalator also comes from the Chinese company - Canny.

http://www.canny-elevator.com/en/new_info.aspx?newsid=956&NewsCateId=168

Renewable energy.

China’s Sany Plans 1 GW Renewable Energy Capacity In India

Engineering equipment.

Sany India secure orders the maldives tens of millions of do

We even helped the India cannon reach the Saudi level.

Fake Chinese spares for indigenised Bofors guns

Now the India cannon is close to the Saudi level.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen

And the basis @Syama Ayas;India's B??? Missile is a copy of the Chinese missile(sorry, I forgot its name).

India should be more grateful to us. Because we help India missiles reach Turkey level!

Turkey Is Ready To Export Chinese Ballistic Missiles


Hey guy, Why are you posting all this stuff? Whn have I said that china is not exporing all these? I have always said that china is master of making low tech goods in bulk with low cost with people working at very low wages . When you foolishly post all these links, you expsoes yourslf rather than me.

When I posted that Al multinational including chinese companies have put up their huge development centers in India, you are posting the transister export of china to India. We both are right. We have development centers here in India and you are exporting low cost goods. This itself tells the difference between innovation in both the countries.
 
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