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Akkor exists, but it is pretty much the same thing as Iron Fist, Iron fist has like 10 years of advantage of it, including it being sold to the U.S military.
both systems ain't much suited for urban environment if u ask me


Aselsan has being developing the Akkor since 2007. It was in 2010 when Akkor was successfully destroyed a LAV munition. Having similar appearance of Akkor prototype with Israeli system doesn't mean It has similar effectiveness/deficiency with Israeli tested one. We have just required parameter in our hands and the final system to be inducted to Armed Forces in 2020, is going to meet the requirements of related parameters. What are those ?

-360 degree AESA radar coverage
-Effectiveness against top-attack, direct attack and kynetic energy munitions
-Protecting the tank against the munitions/missiles/rockets fired from ~50m thanks to superior reaction time


We will see the results.

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A new article from "Ynet News" adds new info on the Barak and other programs.

Just a reminder, Barak is an upgraded Merkava 4M.

https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5043863,00.html

It's in Hebrew, but I have taken upon myself to translate the important bits here (some new, some old, I will mark it):

1)The Barak weighs 70 tons. (new)

Ex: In Israel, exact figures are almost never given. It's not because it's OPSEC, but because that's the sort of mentality here. Only the engineers will handle that, and the plebs get rounded numbers. So it could mean about 69, or it could be 73.

However up until now it's always been 60-65 tons, so we could see some solid amount of equipment added to the tank, which will be interesting. On the downside, it means weight reduction measures probably weren't taken and I shouldn't explain why excessive weight is bad.

2)Utilizes an AI-managed "mission computer". (new/old)

Ex: Okay so we've heard plenty of times that many actions will be automated, and that means AI. It was said however mostly in the context of the firing loop. Now they say the mission computer, otherwise known as BMS, will automatically manage certain comms with other assets that will also include the Namers and Eitans among others. Info that was previously manually input by the TC (commander).

The AI will be able to make various decisions based on the targets it identifies, whether based on the optics or the APS, and advise the crew on certain actions, and make terrain-mapping related decisions such as pointing optimal firing positions or dangerous areas.

3)Female voice selected to alert crews via BMS. (new)

Ex: Easy to distinguish from a male voice, so it won't blend in with the crew's voices, and the crew will not ignore it (they tend to ignore messages from crewmen). Among the alerts it will give are "Missiles", "Short range ATGM", and "Turning over" which means it will not only alert the crew of the type of threat and thus approximate time to impact, but also of terrain related issues to minimize accidents.

4)It was tested as a fully autonomous vehicle. (new)

Ex: But there is no operational requirement, for obvious reasons, so it's merely a test.

5)Hybrid powerplant. (new)

Ex: To cope with the higher weight and to save on fuel, hybrid is the way to go. This could also give it an amazing torque and make it a "little" speed demon. And as an environmentalist it really gives me some relief.

6)IronVision helmet system tested last month (October). (old)

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Ex: I thought it was scheduled to be tested in April, but nonetheless it's good news it happened. The date for operational fielding has remained unchanged, and even rounded down to 2020, so there's no delay but a re-scheduling.

7)IronVision to be tested soon on Company-sized force. (new)

Ex: Means less time required for full operational testing, if they segment the operational testing phases to do in parallel with the program.

8)Starting next year, 3 times as many Trophy-equipped vehicles will be manufactured as this year. (new)

Ex: While the production rate is still minimal, to keep the work stable and allow to double the output when needed urgently, the front-line units will benefit greatly and at a quick rate from this decision. It also comes in light of the recent contract for 1,000 Trophy systems, and the decision to not only equip the Namers and Eitans with it, but also the Merkava 3.

9)USA is purchasing 100 Trophy systems (brigade-sized). (new/old)

Ex: Some speculated on either possibility. Either the contract was merely for the support of the installation of systems, or for the purchase of a brigade-worth of systems. Now it's confirmed that they are indeed equipping an entire brigade.

Big wall of text, I know, so I give you here Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliach holding Israel's big stick's big stick:



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Article in Hebrew https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5043863,00.html

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How would you rate the performance of Merkava 4 in the war against Hisbullah in southern Labannon. According to my limited knowledge they did destroy a few of your tanks. Although Israel did get the upper hand in the end.
Israel didn't get the upper hand. Look at Israeli reports after the war. They lost the war

They cow's are not impressed. Seen it all before
 
The 847th Armored Brigade gets the Merkava 4.

It was reported in January's issue of Yad La Shiryon, Israeli armor-centric magazine, that the 847th brigade will move on to the Merkava 4 tank.

Just a few points to consider:
  • This is the 2nd reserve armor brigade to receive the Merkava 4.
  • After this transfer is completed, it will become the 5th brigade to use the Merkava 4.
  • This will make it equal in numbers to the Merkava 3 in service.
  • Currently the armored corps is composed of 4 active brigades and 8 reserve.
  • 2 are equipped with Mark 2 tanks, 5 have Mark 3, and 5 will have the Mark 4 (after the transition).
  • The Mark 2 tanks are of unspecified type. The Mark 3 are split into 1 active brigade with the latest variant (Mark 3D Baz), 3 reserve with the Mark 3 Baz (without 4th gen armor), and 1 reserve with the original setup. The Mark 4 is split to 3 brigades with Mark 4M and 2 with Mark 4A/B.
  • The model at hand is the original Mark 4, not equipped with Trophy.
  • It is likely that they received ex-brigade 460th tanks (an instructional brigade), and the 460th brigade received new Trophy-equipped tanks instead.
  • The process has only started with 1 battalion out of 3 so far.

Okay so these were the facts we know. The 460th brigade (which doubles as instructional brigade) currently has 3 battalions dedicated to training crews for specific tanks (plus 2 battalions for specialized courses like TC or instructors). 1 of them is equipped with Merkava 3, to train recruits for the 188th active brigade, and 2 have Merkava 4 to train for the 7th and 401st brigades.

This means that for the 847th reserve brigade to be fully stocked with Merkava 4 tanks, they'll have to draw 1 battalion worth of tanks from an active brigade that uses the Mark 4A/B variants. These are practically non-existent other than in reserves.

So if we take previous claims that ALL new tanks and AFVs come out of production with APS, as hard facts, then it means that at least one battalion of that brigade will have Trophy APS. And that means that by the time the last battalion will have to make the switch, the Barak tank will have to be operational with at least 1 battalion already, something that might take 2-3 years from now.

Moving forward. Because the 847th brigade will have at least one battalion of Merkava 4M, they'll have to switch all other battalions to the same standard, to avoid using different doctrines and drills on the brigade level.

And what this means, is that there will be a rather absurd situation of having both the corp's most elite tank driving alongside the crumbling Merkava 2 tanks that really should be scrapped already.

Now let's speculate on what happens AFTER all that: Before the 847th brigade can complete its full transition, the first Barak units will have to enter service. My educated guess is, surprisingly, not the 188th brigade. Yes, they're using the oldest tank in active service, but also there are confirmed plans to equip these tanks with Trophy APS. If they really cared about the reserves getting APS ASAP, they would give the 847th brand new Mark 4M tanks. That means they want them in service there for at least a while longer. So that means Barak will go to the 401st brigade. The IDF's facilities, producing 30 Merkava 4M tanks a year, make a brigade within 3 years. So in 5 years we might see an operational Barak brigade. Their Mark 4M tanks will go to one of 2 remaining Merkava 2 brigades. And after that, another 3 years to probably replace the last Mark 2 brigade's tanks with those of the 188th Mark 3D Baz tanks, which will probably be dubbed Mark 3M.
Ok Zuk, breathe... breathe...

So in 8 years from now the Mark 2 tanks will be completely phased out, the entire active part of the armored corps will have APS, and 2 reserve brigades will have APS.

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Barak MBT update

I don't really know why it was always marked as a draft and never published, but I think it's still relevant even though it's from November last year (2017):

A new article from "Ynet News" adds new info on the Barak and other programs.
Just a reminder, Barak is an upgraded Merkava 4M.
https://www.yediot.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5043863,00.html

It's in Hebrew, but I have taken upon myself to translate the important bits here (some new, some old, I will mark it):

1)The Barak weighs 70 tons. (new)

Ex: In Israel, exact figures are almost never given. It's not because it's OPSEC, but because that's the sort of mentality here. Only the engineers will handle that, and the plebs get rounded numbers. So it could mean about 69, or it could be 73.
However up until now it's always been 60-65 tons, so we could see some solid amount of equipment added to the tank, which will be interesting. On the downside, it means weight reduction measures probably weren't taken and I shouldn't explain why excessive weight is bad.

2)Utilizes an AI-managed "mission computer". (new/old)

Ex: Okay so we've heard plenty of times that many actions will be automated, and that means AI. It was said however mostly in the context of the firing loop. Now they say the mission computer, otherwise known as BMS, will automatically manage certain comms with other assets that will also include the Namers and Eitans among others. Info that was previously manually input by the TC (commander).
The AI will be able to make various decisions based on the targets it identifies, whether based on the optics or the APS, and advise the crew on certain actions, and make terrain-mapping related decisions such as pointing optimal firing positions or dangerous areas.

3)Female voice selected to alert crews via BMS. (new)

Ex: Easy to distinguish from a male voice, so it won't blend in with the crew's voices, and the crew will not ignore it (they tend to ignore messages from crewmen). Among the alerts it will give are "Missiles", "Short range ATGM", and "Turning over" which means it will not only alert the crew of the type of threat and thus approximate time to impact, but also of terrain related issues to minimize accidents.

4)It was tested as a fully autonomous vehicle. (new)

Ex: But there is no operational requirement, for obvious reasons, so it's merely a test.

5)Hybrid powerplant. (new)

Ex: To cope with the higher weight and to save on fuel, hybrid is the way to go. This could also give it an amazing torque and make it a "little" speed demon. And as an environmentalist it really gives me some relief.

6)IronVision helmet system tested last month (October). (old)

Ex: I thought it was scheduled to be tested in April, but nonetheless it's good news it happened. The date for operational fielding has remained unchanged, and even rounded down to 2020, so there's no delay but a re-scheduling.

7)IronVision to be tested soon on Company-sized force. (new)

Ex: Means less time required for full operational testing, if they segment the operational testing phases to do in parallel with the program.

8)Starting next year, 3 times as many Trophy-equipped vehicles will be manufactured as this year. (new)

Ex: While the production rate is still minimal, to keep the work stable and allow to double the output when needed urgently, the front-line units will benefit greatly and at a quick rate from this decision. It also comes in light of the recent contract for 1,000 Trophy systems, and the decision to not only equip the Namers and Eitans with it, but also the Merkava 3.

http://armor-il.blogspot.co.il/2018/04/barak-mbt-update.html?m=1
 
How many units of Merkava 4 have Israel already produced and inducted in the army?
Here is a screenshot (From IISS The military balance 2018) -

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It says 300 in service + 180 In reserves = 480 Total !
 
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