IAF's Balakot Disaster Two Years On

[That Guy]

We claim victory cause our initial target of sending terrorists to their maker was attained, I do agree though that our response to paf counter was sub optimal.
In any case paf claims 1 mig 21 and 1 su 30
IAF claims 1 f-16 and hundreds of terrorists dead.
Both sides are claiming victory with no clear winner imho and that won't change no matter how many arguments and counter arguments we throw at each other.

Except, one side has evidence of most of its claims and brought international reporters to the site of the bomb drops within 24 hours to independently investigate the site, and interview locals.

Meanwhile, the other side says it has evidence but refuses to show it. Initially even denied it lost any pilot until the said pilot was paraded on TV, and then had to force multiple news outlets to deny that they may have lost a second fighter, even though local eye witnesses from their side told reporters that they saw a fighter crash on their own side of the border, which is exactly what their enemy claims happened.

India got outplayed, simple as that. It is what it is, and there is no shame in admitting a loss.

And to think, a war almost broke out because 1 man was afraid to lose his re-election. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Areesh]

We claim victory cause our initial target of sending terrorists to their maker was attained, I do agree though that our response to paf counter was sub optimal.
In any case paf claims 1 mig 21 and 1 su 30
IAF claims 1 f-16 and hundreds of terrorists dead.
Both sides are claiming victory with no clear winner imho and that won't change no matter how many arguments and counter arguments we throw at each other.

PAF was the clear winner

IAF only managed to win "shoot down your own helicopter" trophy. Other than that iaf hasn't won anything

Even those "terrorists" that you wanted to kill got away safely since IAF bombs missed all of its targets

 

[Fus Ro Dah]

even though local eye witnesses from their side told reporters that they saw a fighter crash on their own side of the border

In that video, eywitness who is in Sher Makdi village is clearly talking about Abhinandan's MiG-21 since his Mig crash site in AJK was just 4 km from our sher makadi village in J&K

Distance between Sher Makadi & MiG-21 crash site (Latitude: 33° 13' 54.6" North Longitude: 73° 57' 23.4" East) is about 5 km. And as Sher Makadi is just 2 km from LoC any crash smoke/fire there would be visible to Pakistanis just like MiG-21 crash smoke was visible to Indians. Which means Pakistanis would have then posted pics of smoke or fire on Indian side of LoC.

Also since the MiG-21 crash site was so close to Sher Makadi he though it might have crashed there. We know that Abhinandan MiG-21 came from the direction of Rajauri so his description matches exactly with Abhinandan MiG-21. He says he saw a plane crashing near Sher Makadi which is just 5 km from actual crash site of Abhinandan so he might have though that Abhinandan's falling plane came down in sher makadi.

Plus he clearly mentions he saw ONE pilot ejecting which matches with Abhinandan MiG 21 description as Sukhois have two pilots

Most importantly he says he was behind a hill which means he did not have line of sight to crash site (could not directly see it).

Even prominent western Think tank DFRLab agrees that the MiG-21 was hit when it was moving towards India.

Also Sher makadi is close to LoC people get injured there during cross Loc mortar shelling

Woman injured in Pak shelling along LoC in J-K

A 40-year-old woman was injured on Sunday as Pakistan troops violated the ceasefire by resorting to shelling and firing on forward posts and villages along the Line of Control (LoC) in the twin districts of Rajouri and Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir,

wap.business-standard.com

 

[The Eagle]

If those mirages crossed into Pakistan, they would have never made it back to base in India. This was always clear. The Indian Bollywood media made it sound like the IAF was hovering over Balakot and selecting targets lol

Exactly. The tolerance on 26th Feb was the part of peace time rules. Airspace violation wasn't brief for what they claimed like superman was there. As the next day came; those so-called dodgers were not even to be seen near LoC let alone challenging anything.

In that video, eywitness who is in Sher Makdi village is clearly talking about Abhinandan's MiG-21 since his Mig crash site in AJK was just 4 km from our sher makadi village in J&K

Distance between Sher Makadi & MiG-21 crash site (Latitude: 33° 13' 54.6" North Longitude: 73° 57' 23.4" East) is about 5 km. And as Sher Makadi is just 2 km from LoC any crash smoke/fire there would be visible to Pakistanis just like MiG-21 crash smoke was visible to Indians. Which means Pakistanis would have then posted pics of smoke or fire on Indian side of LoC.

Also since the MiG-21 crash site was so close to Sher Makadi he though it might have crashed there. We know that Abhinandan MiG-21 came from the direction of Rajauri so his description matches exactly with Abhinandan MiG-21. He says he saw a plane crashing near Sher Makadi which is just 5 km from actual crash site of Abhinandan so he might have though that Abhinandan's falling plane came down in sher makadi.

Plus he clearly mentions he saw ONE pilot ejecting which matches with Abhinandan MiG 21 description as Sukhois have two pilots

Most importantly he says he was behind a hill which means he did not have line of sight to crash site (could not directly see it).

Even prominent western Think tank DFRLab agrees that the MiG-21 was hit when it was moving towards India.

Also Sher makadi is close to LoC people get injured there during cross Loc mortar shelling

Woman injured in Pak shelling along LoC in J-K

A 40-year-old woman was injured on Sunday as Pakistan troops violated the ceasefire by resorting to shelling and firing on forward posts and villages along the Line of Control (LoC) in the twin districts of Rajouri and Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir,

wap.business-standard.com

Whether an SU-30 MKI or MiG-21 or you, rest assured, that will be the matter of few seconds to get a hit. We had this discussion on another thread and the same information was explained as well as exposed where, you are not seen again but the multiple ID. Trust me, using internet to keep repeating lies & fabricated information is not going to help neither the same will be allowed here. You are hereby dismissed to have another dodger patch.

The same discussion is still on record which covers both subjects... the possible hit point of MKI and the botched Balakot strike by IAF.

The botched strike: IAF found with its pants down - Again

Hi, You did not know that---. Supposedly US military satellite saw what happened to the aircraft---but information not released because it would give out location / operational / procedural / working information about the satellite---. makes sense. operational secrecy and no benefit in giving...

defence.pk

F-16.net confirms Su-30MKI loss on 27th Feb

As a Karachiite and Pakistani, I take awesome pride in Hassan Siddiqui who also hails from North Karachi. The man behind Laash of Su-30 MKI :smitten: First Bomb dropped on India ever came from a migrant - same one the “Elite” SoB here calls “Indians”.

defence.pk

 

[wasileo80]

Since you believe PAF hundred percent correct tell me this ..was it JF 17 which shot the Su 30 or F 16 ?

So it was not shot down..as PAF claims .. because PAF has erected a tail of Su 30 in it's Museum and awarded a kill to Hassan Siddiqui.

Are you a dumb? Where PAF said that it was JF-17 who shot down SU-30 and Mig-21? and where they erect mountains mentioning JF-17 shoot down those jets?

PAF clearly mentioned the tail numbers of Jets who score the kills and both were F-16s. One was F-16A and Other was F-16B EMLUed.
It was ISPR who mentioned about JF-17s and mentioned about striking Indian Military targets which was absolutely true that no F-16s were used to hit Indian Military targets across LOC.

Now what part you dont understand out of this in last two years? This is just your trolling habit to twist the things where as its crystal clear what was happened on 27th Feb 2019.

 

[wasileo80]

There is a huge fire ball from inside the building for a few seconds and then it dispates.

But here is the thing.. it is 3:30 at night.and it has been raining all night.

6 bombs did hit Balakot that night ..how many fires did you see even in the forest (as you claim.. all the bombs fell in the forest).

Next Morning Media showed the impact points in jungle as crater of bombs. Also people came to know about bombs fells in jungle because of that fire and smoke which you are talking about.

There is a huge fire ball from inside the building for a few seconds and then it dispates.

But here is the thing.. it is 3:30 at night.and it has been raining all night.

6 bombs did hit Balakot that night ..how many fires did you see even in the forest (as you claim.. all the bombs fell in the forest).

Tell me is there any bomb without a shock wave after blast?

 

[wasileo80]

If those mirages crossed into Pakistan, they would have never made it back to base in India.

Infact when IAF strike package vectored towards LOC then PAF scrambled the Jets and vectored the CAP already in air towards intruders and when CAPs reached the area from where they can launch missiles, at that time IAF Mirages already released the payload and turned back and during that turning they breached the LOC for couple of KMs.
And at that time even no one knew that they launched any sort of bomb on Azad Kashmir or on Pak soil. So that is why PAF CAP didnt follow them in IOK or didnt fired on them as they didnt have any clue that IAF launch any sort of payload. It was later revealed the location where bomb fell.

This was always clear. The Indian Bollywood media made it sound like the IAF was hovering over Balakot and selecting targets lol

Yes IAF hovering on Balakot and then they went vertically like a missile and achieved the alltitude of 50 KM in Upper atmosphere and then they released the spice 2000 so that they can claim that the weapons they used were standoff weapons and they had 50 KM range.

 

[Signalian]

What part did stealth and low RCS play in both days (26/27) of combat ? It was mostly BVR and EW.

 

[PradoTLC]

IAF does not fight elections.

no it just a tool.

 

[PradoTLC]

What nonsense word jumble are trying you trying here..he is clearly claiming in this article Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16.

Surviving means not crashing and nothing else.


Essence of your words remains the same.
You can't even get your story straight..so much so that can't even positive identify the aircraft which fired the missile.
And then you people claim you shot down Su 30 MKI.

regardless whether a Su-30 was shot down or not.. the fact remain india became muted.

That is the only thing that matters

 

[Reichmarshal]

Stealth n low rcs will play a part in an all out war or an all out skirmish, as during that time frame their would be multiple no. Of missions from all sides which will over whelm defences and that would create the environment and the opportunities which would could n should be ideal n fully exploited by low rcs and stealth ac.

 

[Khan vilatey]

This was the worst possible thing for India there whole point of view that they are a non conventional power able to project power at a short notice failed. This also showed to the Indians that in a short intense war restricted to a region India will lose.

they now have also made sure that the escalation ladder for them is very limited. If another attack happens and Indian terrorist forces in Kashmir are killed at a higher rate than usuals their countrymen will demand retaliation. In the retaliation the options will be very limited and if they lose a few planes and kill some Pakistani’s. There will be swift retaliation with a. Lot of Indians dieing. Here the Indians will get into a catch 22 situation. If they further escalate and retaliate with cruise missiles . Pakistan will do the same and May decide to commit to full nuclear retaliation. Even if by some miracle Paksitan does not retaliate with nuclear options the devastation caused by cruise and long range missile systems in Indian business centers cities will cause wide spread fear in India. This will result in massive capital flight in India. Since Pakistan has less trade with the rest of the world it would not be affected as bad. phelay he bhookay nagar hein

so the best path forward for India is to seek peace with Pakistan and China and focus on trade and connectivity rather than pointless bravado .

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