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[fatman17]

India rubbishes Pakistani allegations of air space violation
IANS
New Delhi/Islamabad, December 14, 2008


Indian air force officials on Sunday morning rubbished reports that its fighter jets had violated Pakistan's air space and said they had received no complaint from the Pakistani side.

Responding to Pakistani allegations that Indian fighter jets had violated their airspace late on Saturday night by entering two places - Pakistani Kashmir and Lahore sectors - and were forced to turn back, a senior Indian Air Force (IAF) official in the Western Air Command told IANS: "There is no truth in the allegations, it is all rubbish."

The official said, "We haven't even received any complaint from the Pakistani air force."

Dawn News of Pakistan quoted Pakistan Air Force Air Commodore Humyun Viqar as saying, "Both the Indian aircraft entered into Pakistan's airspace between two to four nautical miles at two different sectors." He said the Pakistani jets responded, forcing the Indian aircraft to turn back.

Information Minister Sherry Rehman told Dawn News that the Indian leadership had been contacted, and the incident was described as "inadvertent", and that the Pakistan air-force and army had been placed on alert but "did not wish to escalate the situation" any further.

It quoted a news agency as saying that an Indian Defence Ministry spokesman when contacted in New Delhi said he had no information on the reported incursion.

Dawn also reported that people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi said that they had seen heavy movement of the Pakistan army on the way heading towards the border. "Long convoys of military trucks were heading towards Lahore from Jhelum," a motorist Jawad Khan told Dawn.

The movement of army towards the border area is a sign that tension between the two nuclear rivals, already heightened following the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, is likely to increase in the days to come, Dawn said.

Meanwhile, a state run Pakistani TV channel reported that a loud blast was heard in the Arabian Sea between Badin and Jati cities on Saturday night.

However, further details about the blast were not received. The cause and exact location of the blast is being ascertained.

India Today - India's most widely read magazine.

i am not reading too much into this, however during the kargil conflict, when 2 IAF a/c were shot down by pak manpads, the first response by the IAF was similar.

pls note this is not intended to start a kargil re-visit. i see already over 400 comments have been posted over nothing.

 

[blain2]

Does anybody know how many time US pilots have invertently have gone into Pakistanie Air space? Not the drones.

PAF and Pakistani Civil Aviation actually have a flight corridor for the US aircraft. In addition, we have an understanding with the US. This is not the case with India.

Secondly, for those who are asking, what would IAF gain from an incursion of 4-7km, the answer is that they could be probing Pakistani response times so future missions could be planned for strikes inside of Pakistan or maybe they are trying to snoop on radar sites as they know that the moment they hop across the LoC or IB, the Pakistani radars would track them. Very many objectives of a technical nature aside from that of continuing to put pressure on Pakistan.

 

[blain2]

Indian sources are reporting that IAF has denied it.

Obviously they would deny it. Who wants to admit "incompetence" in case the excuse is "inadvertent flight" and who wants to admit purposely violating another sovereign nations airspace when the result would be that you are seen as an aggressor specially at a time when the tensions are so high already?

 

[rubyjackass]

i am not reading too much into this, however during the kargil conflict, when 2 IAF a/c were shot down by pak manpads, the first response by the IAF was similar.

pls note this is not intended to start a kargil re-visit. i see already over 400 comments have been posted over nothing.

The point is now he(the spokesperson) says Pakistan did not complain officially as of now. Lets wait for that.

Also please give the link to that Kargil shoot down news. I am interested.

 

[blain2]

India rubbishes Pakistani allegations of air space violation
IANS
New Delhi/Islamabad, December 14, 2008


Indian air force officials on Sunday morning rubbished reports that its fighter jets had violated Pakistan's air space and said they had received no complaint from the Pakistani side.

Responding to Pakistani allegations that Indian fighter jets had violated their airspace late on Saturday night by entering two places - Pakistani Kashmir and Lahore sectors - and were forced to turn back, a senior Indian Air Force (IAF) official in the Western Air Command told IANS: "There is no truth in the allegations, it is all rubbish."

The official said, "We haven't even received any complaint from the Pakistani air force."

Dawn News of Pakistan quoted Pakistan Air Force Air Commodore Humyun Viqar as saying, "Both the Indian aircraft entered into Pakistan's airspace between two to four nautical miles at two different sectors." He said the Pakistani jets responded, forcing the Indian aircraft to turn back.

Information Minister Sherry Rehman told Dawn News that the Indian leadership had been contacted, and the incident was described as "inadvertent", and that the Pakistan air-force and army had been placed on alert but "did not wish to escalate the situation" any further.

It quoted a news agency as saying that an Indian Defence Ministry spokesman when contacted in New Delhi said he had no information on the reported incursion.

Dawn also reported that people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi said that they had seen heavy movement of the Pakistan army on the way heading towards the border. "Long convoys of military trucks were heading towards Lahore from Jhelum," a motorist Jawad Khan told Dawn.

The movement of army towards the border area is a sign that tension between the two nuclear rivals, already heightened following the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, is likely to increase in the days to come, Dawn said.

Meanwhile, a state run Pakistani TV channel reported that a loud blast was heard in the Arabian Sea between Badin and Jati cities on Saturday night.

However, further details about the blast were not received. The cause and exact location of the blast is being ascertained.

India Today - India's most widely read magazine.

Have you ever seen a news report by either the Pakistani or Indian side admitting that they have gone over to the other sides air space? It simply does not happen. I know of people who have flown missions in this tit for tat fashion in the past. Actually one or two are even on this forum. Pakistani air space has been violated. It does Pakistan no good to raise the specter of conflict by talking about something that has not happened. Its the Pakistani side which is trying to cool down the situation and it runs counter to logic that Pakistan would want to heat up the situation by concocting this story.

 

[fatman17]

The point is now he(the spokesperson) says Pakistan did not complain officially as of now. Lets wait for that.

Also please give the link to that Kargil shoot down news. I am interested.

pls check the kargil thread!
thanks.

 

[Goodperson]

9 PAF AFB's put on red alert, is that authentic enough for you?

India denies Pakistani allegations of air space violation

English_Xinhua 2008-12-14 13:29:33
NEW DELHI, Dec. 14 (Xinhua) -- Indian air force officials Sunday morning denied reports that its fighter jets had violated Pakistan's air space and said they had received no complaint from the Pakistani side, the Indo-Asian News Service reported.

Responding to Pakistani allegations that Indian fighter jets had violated their airspace late Saturday night by entering two places - Pakistani Kashmir and Lahore sectors - and were forced to turn back, a senior Indian Air Force (IAF) official in the Western Air Command said: "There is no truth in the allegations, it is all rubbish."

The official said, "We haven't even received any complaint from the Pakistani air force."

Dawn News of Pakistan Saturday quoted a Pakistan Air Force Air Commodore as saying that two Indian aircraft entered into Pakistan's airspace.

Meanwhile, Pakistani Information Minister Sherry Rehman said that Indians had told Pakistan that it was an "inadvertent incursion". She said that Pakistan did not want to prolong the matter.

IAF said the Pakistani accusation was not true.

The incident comes at a time when tension is running high between the two nuclear-powered neighbors after the deadly Mumbai attacks, which killed around 180 people and injured over 300, the local Zeenews said.　

India denies Pakistani allegations of air space violation _English_Xinhua

 

[Muradk]

PAF and Pakistani Civil Aviation actually have a flight corridor for the US aircraft. In addition, we have an understanding with the US. This is not the case with India.

Secondly, for those who are asking, what would IAF gain from an incursion of 4-7km, the answer is that they could be probing Pakistani response times so future missions could be planned for strikes inside of Pakistan or maybe they are trying to snoop on radar sites as they know that the moment they hop across the LoC or IB, the Pakistani radars would track them. Very many objectives of a technical nature aside from that of continuing to put pressure on Pakistan.

That is very true they were just checking our response time nothing else. Not very wise of them.

 

[rubyjackass]

Pakistan accuses India of air space violation (Lead)

Pakistan accuses India of air space violation (Lead)
December 14th, 2008 - 9:42 am ICT by IANS -

Islamabad, Dec 14 (Xinhua) Pakistan accused India of violating its airspace and declared emergency at all airbases Sunday two weeks after India vowed to take strong action against Islamabad in the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks, media reports said.Pakistan’s official APP news agency quoted Pakistan Air Force spokesman Air Commodore Humyun Viqar as saying that Indian fighter jets entered into the country’s airspace over Lahore and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir twice last night.

Pakistani fighter jets swiftly responded to the violations by Indian jets, forcing them to return to thier own territory, Viqar said, adding that Pakistani Air Force would remain on alert to “thwart any aggression” from India.

According to the official, the violation by Indian jets took place at 11: 30 p.m. Saturday and again at 13:05 a.m. early Sunday.

The official, however, said this might be a “technical violation” by Indian jets. “But we are ready to deal with any misadventure. We are monitoring the situation, we are on alert,” he said.

Meanwhile, Pakistani Information Minister Sherry Rehman said that Indians had told Pakistan that it was an “inadvertent incursion”. She said that Pakistan did not want to prolong the matter.

The incident comes at a time when tension is running high between the two nuclear-powered neighbours after the deadly Mumbai attacks, which killed around 180 people and injured over 300.







According to the Pakistani official that was a technical violation. But this is an Indian paper. Can somebody refer to a Pakistan news report with the full statement of the Pakistan official?

 

[Goodperson]

PAF and Pakistani Civil Aviation actually have a flight corridor for the US aircraft. In addition, we have an understanding with the US. This is not the case with India.

Secondly, for those who are asking, what would IAF gain from an incursion of 4-7km, the answer is that they could be probing Pakistani response times so future missions could be planned for strikes inside of Pakistan or maybe they are trying to snoop on radar sites as they know that the moment they hop across the LoC or IB, the Pakistani radars would track them. Very many objectives of a technical nature aside from that of continuing to put pressure on Pakistan.

That is a corridor for civilian flights. What about drones and combat aircrafts ?
Your logic does not hold good when it was already announced that PAF is put on alert. IAF is aware of the consequences of confrontation of incursions when it itself shot down Atlantique. No need to carry hostile act now when India has already declared it has no intentions of starting War with Pakistan especially when International fora is involved against terrorism in SubContinent.

 

[blain2]

That is a corridor for civilian flights. What about drones and combat aircrafts ?
Your logic does not hold good when it was already announced that PAF is put on alert. IAF is aware of the consequences of confrontation of incursions when it itself shot down Atlantique. No need to carry hostile act now when India has already declared it has no intentions of starting War with Pakistan especially when International fora is involved against terrorism in SubContinent.

No the corridor is not for civilian flights...in any case what American civilian flights are there? Carrier based USN/USMC aircraft along with USAF UAVs fly through this corridor.

To your second point, India may have said that, but who can say with surety that they do not want to keep their options open with regards to limited (in their minds) strikes? They could very well be planning for those by trying to figure out Pakistani radar coverage, emitters and AD response times. All things that need to be considered when planning for a strike.

 

[neo_revo]

IAF was just checking to see if Pakistanis are asleep, too busy to notice, or wide awake and alert.

If the GoP responds in kind, the public will have their say. PAF has the best pilots, and inshaAllah when push comes to shove, it will be PA and PAF that annihilates the Indians. only if they desire ofcourse

 

[ngold]

India is might thinking for surgical strikes on Pakistan.. They did intrusion from 2 main areas 1. From Kashmir.. 2. for Lahore where RAW claims traning centers for LeT..
The objective was to sniff radar positions on each sides so that they can take counter measurements for the actual strikes.. We can hope more such attept will be happened in comming days..
I thiink Mirage would be getting used for this mission..

 

[Goodperson]

No the corridor is not for civilian flights...in any case what American civilian flights are there? Carrier based USN/USMC aircraft along with USAF UAVs fly through this corridor.

To your second point, India may have said that, but who can say with surety that they do not want to keep their options open with regards to limited (in their minds) strikes? They could very well be planning for those by trying to figure out Pakistani radar coverage, emitters and AD response times. All things that need to be considered when planning for a strike.

How does one explain Predator attacks ? Do they use corridor or their is some agreement with GoP?

India Pakistan have been doing Air space violations since long they already know each other capabilities. Why would IAF risk and aircraft and cut a sorry figure ? and give a face saving option to Pakistan.
How does one explain foreign Ministers statement immediately afterwards. How does she know the violations were inadverent?

 

[neo_revo]

India is might thinking for surgical strikes on Pakistan.. They did intrusion from 2 main areas 1. From Kashmir.. 2. for Lahore where RAW claims traning centers for LeT..
The objective was to sniff radar positions on each sides so that they can take counter measurements for the actual strikes.. We can hope more such attept will be happened in comming days..
I thiink Mirage would be getting used for this mission..

We'll be waiting