IAF violated Pakistan air space| Forced to return

[Dynamic_Dynasty]

Can some Post Analysis of Talat Hussain, statement of Information Minister Sherry rehman, PM Of AJK & Analysis of Kamran Khan??

Some r here

http://www.defence.pk/forums/242496-post128.html

and all r here BreakingNews: Indian Air Force Voilated Pakistan's Air Space

 

[HAIDER]

shame on Sherri Rahman ....PPP really big disappointment.
That was the first ACID TEST of this govt on foreign policy and big failure...
Here comments were strange when ask news caster to avoid " escalation ".
shame on her...

 

[koolio]

Enough of the defensive posture by the PPP we have already given too many concessions to the Indians its time to be on the offensive otherwise things will get so bad that the PPP government will be forced to quit by the people because they are letting Pakistan down day by day.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan has been trying to calm nerves, and has indicated it has no interest in escalating the situation.

If it did, there would have been no crackdown on the JuD, or at least not anymore than the minimum required under the UNSC determinations, which was nothing more than a ban on the organization.

As Stratfor speculated, the only party with anything to gain anything from actions such as these at this point is India, though given that such acts will inflame Pakistani opinion, it will end up being counterproductive in terms of what India desires to see out of Pakistan.

Then why would the GoI resort to this?

The BJP was unable to translate its perceived stronger position on national security into electoral gains in the five states that went to the polls recently, even though the elections occurred in the immediate aftermath of the Mumbai attacks and criticism of the government over its failures was at its peak.

This would suggest that the Congress had no need to give in to the jingoists and hardliners demanding escalation, especially when the GoP had taken a series of strong measures against the suspected groups.

If succumbing to hardliners was not an issue, then the other option would be that India wants to polarize opinion in Pakistan, and in fact make it harder for the GoP to take anymore tangible steps in cracking down on militant groups, and then work to isolate Pakistan from that position and weaken it.

There is the possibility that ratcheting up the pressure by invoking the possibility of war might result in more pressure from the West solely on Pakistan - we will have to wait and see if that happens. But the fact remains that Pakistani opinion is going to decisively become anti-Indian for the near to medium term, barring some drastic steps taken to bridge the growing hostility between the two countries, and make it exponentially harder to carry out any significant crackdown, perceived to be at India's behest, on suspect groups.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The Info. Minister's comments are perfectly fine. Strong messages of not tolerating any aggression and intent don't always have to be conveyed with foaming at the mouth vitriol and jingoism.

Pakistan does not come out as the one looking for trouble here. And the 'behind the scenes' message, Emergency at the AFB's and personnel leave canceled, conveys a very clear message of intent to those concerned and watching.

 

[jeypore]

Then why would the GoI resort to this?

Am, I believe what Stratfor analysis :

This situation, along with domestic pressure, is forcing the Indian government’s hand and pushing it toward taking unilateral military action against Pakistani-based militants. That said, New Delhi is concerned that any conflict with Pakistan could worsen security for India and in the broader region. Trying to balance between the need to act and the need to exercise caution, New Delhi likely ordered the incursions as a means to sustain the pressure to shape Pakistani behavior.

Seems alony plausible solution to the way they have done it. Also another interesting aspect is IAF and the Gov't is completly dening the incedent. I think this is also sending a message.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

A roundup of various editorials in the major Pakistani newspapers, all talking about a greater need for introspection, and action against groups promoting militancy, covertly or overtly.

Much needed introspection and the initiation of a dialog within Pakistan on the role of 'non-state actors' - all ostensibly down the drain now.

In its editorial, the News also says that "the current action against the Jamaat-ud-Dawa may not be enough and that "while the arrests and the ban represent solid first steps, more needs to be done to remove the hold the JuD has established within society."

The editorial further says, "If there is a true commitment to doing away with forces like the JuD, much more needs to be done. We need to expose the true nature of these forces before people; to reveal how they have lured vulnerable young teenagers away from homes and families only to turn them into killers; how they have exploited religion to further their own interests."

The News elaborates on JuD's shadowy activities beyond charity. "There has long been a suspicion that it (JuD) does far more than that. The outfit's website and its publications reflect a stance in favour of militancy and a virulent hostility to India. The immaculate efficiency with which the group ran its affairs is rooted in its past. In the mid-1980s, the LeT and Hafiz Muhammad Saeed enjoyed the backing of the CIA and the ISI to battle Soviet troops in Afghanistan."

Several other newspapers are highlighting the need to introspect in their editorials. The Karachi-based daily, The Dawn says on Saturday, "What the Mumbai assault has done in this country is divert attention from the internal threat to an external 'enemy'. This must not be allowed to happen. Soul-searching is in order, and an acceptance of the fact that Pakistan is indeed a hub of militancy and terrorism. It is sad, on one level, that it has taken external pressure to stir the government into acting against those who are besmirching our name in the world. We face isolation, and internal ruin, if the common enemy is not brought to book. We have a collective responsibility to look inwards."

At the same time, Dawn has also frontpaged a news item on RSS chief KS Sudarshan which few have read in India. The report, headlined, RSS chief says India should be ready for nuclear war says, "Mr K S Sudarshan, the powerful supreme leader of the RSS who may wield even greater clout in the next government, said in an interview widely distributed on the email on Thursday, and verified as authentic by senior RSS officials on Friday, "Whenever the demons (Aasuri powers) start dominating this planet, there is no way other than the war. This terrorism may ultimately result in a Third World War. And this will be a nuclear war in which many of us are going to be finished. And let me say with confidence that after this destruction, a new world will emerge, which will be very good, free from evil and terrorism. But war should be the last resort. Before that Bharat should consider other options."

The Frontier Post editorial points that Pakistan is getting isolated diplomatically. It adds, "The rightist leadership, if it views the situation objectively, would surely agree that Jaishes, Lashkars and jihadis have not only brought infamy to this country globally and disrepute internationally." Talking about the Mumbai blast directly the editorial published on Saturday adds, "the alleged links of its perpetrators with this country must be investigated thoroughly and appropriate actions be taken in this regard visibly and convincingly."

Political analyst Fakir S. Ayazuddin writes in The Nation that "the Mumbai bombings have brought to the world's attention the danger that the militants pose to the civilised world. The cold-blooded murder of 200 innocent people shall be remembered alongside such atrocities as My-Lai, and Shatilla, massacres that stunned the world. Our successive
governments have shown their incompetence, and the infiltration of the militants into the corridors of power is now a proven fact."

He adds: "President Zardari acted swiftly in ordering action against the Laskar-e-Taiba, and indeed the results are encouraging with their leadership pleading innocence. With clear orders from the president and the prime minister, he should now move against this cancer in our society to start the elimination of these persons."

The Dawn editorial also dwells on how chances of 'recognition' lure young men to become terrorists. "Becoming part of a militant or terrorist organisation empowers poor, impressionable young men. And it's not just the weapons or the monthly stipend that give them comfort - finally they have an identity when previously they were faceless, they become part of a community in which they are respected. The uniform of militant Islam confers instant respectability in some quarters."
Major jihadi groups have disappeared, says Pak newspaper-India-The Times of India

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Am, I believe what Stratfor analysis :

Seems alony plausible solution to the way they have done it. Also another interesting aspect is IAF and the Gov't is completly dening the incedent. I think this is also sending a message.

The problems that arise, if the Stratfor analysis of Indian intentions and intent behind this violation is true, are those that I mentioned in my post. Opinion in Pakistan is going to be completely hostile to India now. There is going to be increased distrust of India's intentions in the region and towards Pakistan. And all of this is going to make it very, very hard for the GoP to offer concessions domestically.

I find it hard to believe that India did not realize the repercussions of her actions on the Pakistani political scene, and on Pakistani public opinion, and the symbolism is even worse considering that this occurred right after Pakistan acted on the UNSC recommendations and initiated a crackdown on the JuD and its leaders.

Why make Pakistan's job harder, just when it is starting to act against suspected groups?

Something is not kosher here.

 

[Neo]

This was a text book attack test.

Kashmir, Lahore and Karachi (Arabian Sea). They are obviously planning something so decided upon testing out these three areas.

Pakistan should mobilize its Shaheens and Ghauris. The last time too in 2002 their belligerence ended when the Shaheens were deployed. America would obviously immediately inform the Indians that Pak is mobilizing its ballistic missile. That would immediately put a dampener on their war mongering.

Mobilazation isn't good enough, if you want to send a credible signal to India and all those dreaming of harming or destabalising the country then mate the missiles with nukes and have armed F-16's in the air near the border.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Pakistan airspace violated | PAF jets chase IAF planes out

Violations take place in AJK, Lahore sectors | India says violations occurred by mistake | India seeks Israel's help for commando action

The Post Monitoring

Lahore: Indian Air Force fighter planes violated Pakistani airspace twice in Lahore and Azad Kashmir, report a private TV channel. Indian planes were loaded with bombs and this act is being termed a grave offence on the part of India.

Pakistan Air Force jets immediately challenged and followed the Indian fighter planes and forced them out of Pakistani airspace. Analysts believe IAF planes violated Pakistani airspace to test the preparedness of Pakistan Air Force.

Pakistan's forces are already in a state of high alert after the Mumbai terrorists' attacks.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Pakistan Air Force said the Indian fighter planes entered up to four kilometers of Pakistani airspace. He further said the PAF was already on high alert and immediately responded. Federal Information Minister Sherry Rehman said that according to Indian officials IAF jets committed violation by mistake.

Agencies add: The Indian government has sought Israel's help to launch commando attacks inside Pakistan on alleged militant camps especially Al Qaeda centres, according to a private television channel on Saturday. The Mossad, the Israeli foreign intelligence agency, has the experience to successfully retaliate terror attacks, the channel reported, quoting the Voice of Germany with reference to an Israeli weekly.

According to the report, India wants to launch these attacks in such a manner so that they are successful while avoiding any blame for them.

The weekly says India can hit four targets which include Azad Kashmir, Punjab and Karachi. In certain areas of Azad Kashmir allegedly there are dozens of caamps to train religious zealots and militants.

The weekly revealed that India has informed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about the possible attacks, though she did not support any type of conflict between the two countries.

Front & Back Page News Updates

 

[Neo]

ARYONE is reporting that they were UAVs (remote controlled airraft)

A sub sonic UVA would have shot down immidiately, IAF probably used Su-30 or the Mirage-2000H.

 

[jeypore]

Much needed introspection and the initiation of a dialog within Pakistan on the role of 'non-state actors' - all ostensibly down the drain now.

That is a very fast reaction to a small incendent AM. I truly think that India's proacotive nature here is just preassuring the Pakistan gov't to act swiftly on these groups.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Interesting that most major Western Newspapers are carrying this as a relatively prominent story, but the ToI and HT do nto have it anywhere on there main site pages so far.

Insight into whose government has a huge amount of influence, and therefore a greater ability to resort to propaganda and suppression of information to demonize the 'other'.

 

[Neo]

I'll be catching a plane too! No greater honour than defending your own soil.

Make it two!
And believe me, I won't be heading for Pakistan only....

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

That is a very fast reaction to a small incendent AM. I truly think that India's proacotive nature here is just preassuring the Pakistan gov't to act swiftly on these groups.

All you have to do is listen to the reaction from the political leadership, especially the opposition, the reactions from the military, and the views on the media and on forums.

The reaction has already taken place, and it appears to be quite hostile - to call this type of incident 'small' in the atmosphere that exists currently is extremely naive.

A day before the Mumbai attacks this was a 'small incident', but not in the current environment.