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The Indian Air Force's (IAF) plan to add much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics to its ageing fleet of Jaguar fighters has failed to take off as the programme has got stuck with certain design and development issues.
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The Indian Air Force's (IAF) plan to add much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics to its ageing fleet of Jaguar fighters has failed to take off as the programme has got stuck with certain design and development issues.
The IAF initiated the process of upgrading the Jaguars in 2009 to bring a fleet of 61 aircraft to DARIN (Display Attack Ranging Inertial Navigation III) standards.

This meant that the more than four-decade- old aircraft would be transformed into a modern fighting machine with a head-up display, all-glass cockpit, advanced avionics, auto-pilot and new weapon systems.

The DARIN III standard Jaguar prototype also has a new mission computer and flight instrument system, besides a multi-function display and a digital video recording system. The first prototype of an upgraded Jaguar, made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, started flying in November 2012, but the results were far from satisfactory. The IAF had hoped the upgraded Jaguar would get initial operational clearance by December 2012.

However, the deadline was missed because the prototype could not meet expectations. Sources said the design and development aspects of the upgraded aircraft did not match with what was intended.
As a result of the glitches, the schedule for completing the programme has gone haywire.

The IAF will not have an upgraded fleet of Jaguars even by 2019 now. It was earlier planned that the series upgrade would be completed by December 2017.

The delay has come as a setback for the IAF, which is struggling to halt a slide in its fighter squadron strength.
Apart from Jaguars, the IAF is upgrading its Mirage 2000 fighters as well. The Mig-27s have also undergone a cockpit upgrade.

The IAF's plan to replace the Jaguar's underpowered engine too, has been stalled for long.
Officials, however, said price negotiations with engine maker Honeywell will start soon.
The IAF currently has a strength of 34 fighter squadrons.

The fighter shortage is a serious problem being faced by the IAF, which hopes to seal a deal for the much-needed 126 French Rafale combat jets in this financial year.
 
total waste of money.................this programme will serve just one purpose,,,,filling pockets of lot of corrupt people.

We should just stop upgrading them and begin to phase them out.We should have no more than 3 aircraft types.
Heavy- MKI till pak-fa.
Medium multirole- Rafale
Light-Tejas.
Will solve our current logistics nightmare situation.
totally agreed.
even mirage 2000 ugrade was too much
 
We should just stop upgrading them and begin to phase them out.We should have no more than 3 aircraft types.
Heavy- MKI till pak-fa.
Medium multirole- Rafale
Light-Tejas.
Will solve our current logistics nightmare situation.

I believe Jaguar fighters are very good in ground strike role.... Till now we don have replacement for the same...Anyway Jaguar fighters are doing good job.... Upgrade will increase its life further.
 
http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=xMKztbkzyuY=

The Indian Air Force's (IAF) plan to add much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics to its ageing fleet of Jaguar fighters has failed to take off as the programme has got stuck with certain design and development issues.
1_img111514104135.jpg

The Indian Air Force's (IAF) plan to add much-needed new teeth with advanced missiles, engines and avionics to its ageing fleet of Jaguar fighters has failed to take off as the programme has got stuck with certain design and development issues.
The IAF initiated the process of upgrading the Jaguars in 2009 to bring a fleet of 61 aircraft to DARIN (Display Attack Ranging Inertial Navigation III) standards.

This meant that the more than four-decade- old aircraft would be transformed into a modern fighting machine with a head-up display, all-glass cockpit, advanced avionics, auto-pilot and new weapon systems.

The DARIN III standard Jaguar prototype also has a new mission computer and flight instrument system, besides a multi-function display and a digital video recording system. The first prototype of an upgraded Jaguar, made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, started flying in November 2012, but the results were far from satisfactory. The IAF had hoped the upgraded Jaguar would get initial operational clearance by December 2012.

However, the deadline was missed because the prototype could not meet expectations. Sources said the design and development aspects of the upgraded aircraft did not match with what was intended.
As a result of the glitches, the schedule for completing the programme has gone haywire.

The IAF will not have an upgraded fleet of Jaguars even by 2019 now. It was earlier planned that the series upgrade would be completed by December 2017.

The delay has come as a setback for the IAF, which is struggling to halt a slide in its fighter squadron strength.
Apart from Jaguars, the IAF is upgrading its Mirage 2000 fighters as well. The Mig-27s have also undergone a cockpit upgrade.

The IAF's plan to replace the Jaguar's underpowered engine too, has been stalled for long.
Officials, however, said price negotiations with engine maker Honeywell will start soon.
The IAF currently has a strength of 34 fighter squadrons.

The fighter shortage is a serious problem being faced by the IAF, which hopes to seal a deal for the much-needed 126 French Rafale combat jets in this financial year.
As a matter of course I don't trust defence news as a source. Sounds a lot like BS to me to be honest. AFAIK the engine deal will go to Honeywell later this year with the F125IN. DARIN III flight trails are coming along just fine:


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Anyway we are ONLY talking about 61 Jags here, the rest will be retired by 2017. This isn't really a project that is critical to the IAF, yes it would be great to get all 61 (about 3 SQDs worth) up to DARIN III standard sooner than later but if they don't then it's not a MAJOR loss but it will be a shame and may lead to the entire fleet being scrapped early. As soon as the LCA and Rafale start getting inducted in large numbers not to mention the FGFA and AMCA later the IAF will get rid of all Jags quickly.
 
As a matter of course I don't trust defence news as a source. Sounds a lot like BS to me to be honest.

The article indeed sounds more like sensational news, rather than pointing out to real problems. The question here would be, what the "expectations" of IAF were, that couldn't be met. I don't think they actually expected something big from the Jags anymore, it's hardly has any future or operational benefit left and since they purposly selected a complete new engine, issues with the integration might not be that surprising.

Anyway we are ONLY talking about 61 Jags here, the rest will be retired by 2017

Source?
 
Radar will pick up these old designs miles away....waste of time and money
Not really - these birds are optimized to fly very low, under radar cover. It was bought exclusively for deep penetration strikes. It all depends on the tactics employed - these won't fly high like fighters, their flight profile itself will give them undetectability.

We should just stop upgrading them and begin to phase them out.We should have no more than 3 aircraft types.
Heavy- MKI till pak-fa.
Medium multirole- Rafale
Light-Tejas.
Will solve our current logistics nightmare situation.

Can't do that, because of the number crunch. We are already short on squadrons.
 
Upgrading an old Platform is a stop gap measure and can only be viable option up to a certain limit...
 
We should just stop upgrading them and begin to phase them out.We should have no more than 3 aircraft types.
Heavy- MKI till pak-fa.
Medium multirole- Rafale
Light-Tejas.
Will solve our current logistics nightmare situation.


We need hem Jags mate. They are prolly one of the best ground attack/deep pen platforms we have right now, Now that the Bahadurs are being phased out. With the Rafale deal still held up the Jags are pretty much the best ground attack platforms we have right now. Even if we do sign the Rafale deal in jiffy and induct a couple of squadrons of LCA mk1's we are looking at a time frame of 2018-2020 to reach full strength at the earliest.
 
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total waste of money.................this programme will serve just one purpose,,,,filling pockets of lot of corrupt people.


totally agreed.
even mirage 2000 ugrade was too much

It is sad but tell me where they didn't waste resources
 
We need hem Jags mate. They are prolly one of the best ground attack/deep pen platforms we have right now, Now that the Bahadurs are being phased out. With the Rafale deal still held up the Jags are pretty much the best ground attack platforms we have right now. Even if we do sign the Rafale deal in jiffy and induct a couple of squadrons of LCA mk1's we are looking at a time frame of 2018-2020 to reach full strength at the earliest.

They aren't, since all they offer to IAF is good low level flying capability, but other than that, even after the upgrade they will remain poor on any level. The upgraded M2Ks and Mig 29s will offer far better variety of A2G weapons, can be used in more A2G roles and offer credible self defence capabilities. The Jags on the other side will be dependent on dedicated escort fighters to defend them, will only offer LGBs and cluster bombs for CAS roles and HARPOON for a few IM's in the maritime attack role. The backbone of IAF's strike capability after 2015, will be 230 x MKIs and around 110 x Mig 29 UPGs / Mirage 2000 UPGs, but surely not the Jags anymore.
 
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Jaguar Darin 3 vs LCA MK1 in CAS

2 x wing fuel tanks
1 x LDP (at the centerline for the Jag)
2 x 1000lb LGBs
2 x WVR missiles (at the overwing pylons for the Jag)

Radar: EL 2032 for both (but bigger diameter for LCA and therfor more detection range)
LDP: Litening for both (but at the pod station for LCA, leaving centerline free)
HMS: Dash for both
Glass cockpit: with digital MFDs for both
IFR: retractable vs fixed for the LCA
 
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