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I grew up Hating India: Imran Khan

bro - did i say bee best friend? - I am just saying look at what Imran Khans statement says carefully. Its not full of hatred for India. We are not moving and neither is India - is it not a better philosophy to have where we accept less anamosity towards each other? Strategically and economically better for both parties. I know being "best friends" is not feasible.

Yeah, totally agree on that. If we get a glimpse of European history, we can say that once the countries who were enemies of each other in WW1 and WW2 have resolved their problems and have come so far as to making NATO, EU and having a common currency Euro....
 
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bro - did i say bee best friend? - I am just saying look at what Imran Khans statement says carefully. Its not full of hatred for India. We are not moving and neither is India - is it not a better philosophy to have where we accept less anamosity towards each other? Strategically and economically better for both parties. I know being "best friends" is not feasible.
why not brother? when you and me can accept each other as brothers, why can not we be best friends, it might be hard for some people who live in the hate worlds of the 40s to 80's but not to the new generation. we hold the promise for our children to give them a better place to live as friends and not foes
 
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Sometimes I find the ignorant attitude of pakistanis towards India really surprising, but mostly I let it be!!! I have read posts of Indian members shouting at the top of their voices clearing india's point of view, but sumhow the pakistani posters manage to skip that post everytime, and rather reply back to some flame-war post which was already continuing.... still, I will try to make an endeavour to clear certain things from Indian point of view:

1. No Indian child is ever "taught" at home or at school (syllabus or otherwise) to hate pakistan!! SERIOUSLY!!! We of course learn certain things as we grow up... But I wouldn't count that amounting to "hatred". Actually, when I was growing up, what I used to hate about pakistan was their "cricket team"- javed miandad, ramiz raja, salim malik, and how can I forget that a$$ shakoor rana!! what he did at sharjah was sin! and yet I was a fan of IMRAN! and I respected waqar younis, and even wasim bhai!!! I didn't know anything beyond that and "something wrong done by pakistan wrt kashmir". FULL STOP! and today's kids, my family included, wonder why we talk so much and care so much about "THAT COUNTRY, PAKISTAN"!!! they would rather talk about china and USA!!!

2. Next, even I have read history. and even neutral side of it. partition happened. yes, i repeat..partition happened. and lives were lost. from both sides, from all religions, everywhere. My neutral mind never said even for one second that it was "pakistanis" who did it! its common sense. the "haiwans" did it. and they had no religion.

3. next, about kashmir. once again, with reference to what I read in school and what i came to know later. It was a shock, When, in COLLEGE, I came to know that the map of India which I have seen all my life is wrong!!! Pakistan-0ccupied-kashmir and aksai-chin haven't been with us since ages!!! then I read "neutral" history, the more I read it , the more it confused me! India or pakistan, No one's right, and no one's wrong!!! today, if kashmir goes, india breaks apart. so whatever happens, whatever losses occur, life or property, india CANNOT afford to let go whatever of kashmir is left with it.... and PAKISTAN!!! it is continuing its existence with the name of kashmir!!! so its impossible for them to let go or even keep kashmir aside. everyone can add his own views, or whatever he percieves as the TRUTH! but the ground reality is what I have said, and I don't see it changing atleast in my life time, except for a miracle!!!

4. For pakistani members, India WILL NEVER attack you (except for an extreme case like a 9/11 against India, and even then its a remote possibility). I am not saying that pakistan should relax even if Indian parliament passes a resolution for this. Your army should always be ready to meet any eventuality. i am just telling you what every sane Indian knows deep within his heart!!!

5. We can keep accusing each other-RAW, ISI, whatever! the truth is, if sumthing happens within a country's border, its the responsibility of that country. PERIOD. so stop accusing the other person for stealing your chocolate, and rather apply common sense, and find the chinks in your own armour...

6. Last, only talking about Indian Hindus. MORE THAN 95% of hindus (including me) don't care about "AKHAND BHARAT" or whatever that is which paistanis keep accusing Indians here of. I am leaving 5%, because, to be very frank, I don't know how many hindus have even an appreciation for things like hindutva and all. To be frank, my family,I remember very clearly, were horrified to see Babri demolition on TV... My grand-father said, "its so sad, this will end up into another partition like riots...." He had seen the horrors of partition...and being a sensible person, he was dead-against any such thing happening... But today I know, that at times, that 0.1% of radical community also does win... we need to keep them under check...


will continue further, if i find some sane replies, and people talking sensibly... If this goes on again into trolling and flame-wars, let that be
 
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Hey I agree with your explanations, but the problem is that do we really follow what our holy books teach us. is it applicable for the current times, everything has become global, there are global issues of proverty and peace that needs to be addressed, does Religion help in solving the real problems of modern man, does it bring peace, does it provide job oppertunity to the under privilaged. As the polititions have become greedy so is our religious leaders, who just enjoy all the wealth and do not do anything that is needed.
Religion for my idea can just be used as a symbol of identity and no longer is a global player for addressing the real issues that human being is facing.

Religion is a solution of everything especially ISLAM. if we follow it in the right way and according to the teachings of Quran and Hadith. it is 100% applicable in the modern world and having a solution of every problem. Sadly people dont know that ISlam is not only a religion.It also provides a perfect system of living .

Whatever happening in the world is on the strong religious believes, starting from Jews to christains and Muslims.
 
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why not brother? when you and me can accept each other as brothers, why can not we be best friends, it might be hard for some people who live in the hate worlds of the 40s to 80's but not to the new generation. we hold the promise for our children to give them a better place to live as friends and not foes

Bro - you personally with your socialist friendly sharing attitude we could be best buddies yaar but you live so bladee far away!!! Bro you are a sensible and mature poster and i respect you for that. With time of course all things are possible. On this forum every post and every thread is disected and everything is twisted against each others nation by the likes of Praful because they have an internal hatred. In reality brother i know thats not the case. It cant be the case - we go too far back for that!
 
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Hey I agree with your explanations, but the problem is that do we really follow what our holy books teach us. is it applicable for the current times, everything has become global, there are global issues of proverty and peace that needs to be addressed, does Religion help in solving the real problems of modern man, does it bring peace, does it provide job oppertunity to the under privilaged. As the polititions have become greedy so is our religious leaders, who just enjoy all the wealth and do not do anything that is needed.
Religion for my idea can just be used as a symbol of identity and no longer is a global player for addressing the real issues that human being is facing.

Well, as there is no country (including Pakistan) that displays a perfect role model of an Islamic country, so I can't show you that how Islam is different from other religions. Muslims in the old times had gone far away in the field of science. So much has been discovered that an English man (don't remember the name right now) was once asked that if Halako Khan (descendent of Chengez Khan) would not have attacked the Muslims in that time, what would have been a significant change in human history??

He simply said: "Man would have reached moon 100 years earlier". So it does not hinder scientific research.


As far as Economy is concerned, the Wall St. proceedings proves how successful western economic policies is....
 
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Religion is a solution of everything especially ISLAM. if we follow it in the right way and according to the teachings of Quran and Hadith. it is 100% applicable in the modern world and having a solution of every problem. Sadly people dont know that ISlam is not only a religion.It also provides a perfect system of living .

Whatever happening in the world is on the strong religious believes, starting from Jews to christains and Muslims.
Hinduism claims its not a religion, but a way of life, so does Islam, so does Sikhism, so does the rest of the riligion but people do are not capable of seeing beyond religion and think that "Anbea Sivam" which means "Love is God".
All Islamic nations today do not follow the shria laws, they have laws that are framed for the modern man in most cases, and this is called evolution, for the orthodox, change is some thing that they hate.
For Humans to evolve to better levels we have to go past religion and belive in brother hood, lets keep our religions to our prayer halls and you can see how much peace evolves in the future.
 
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Bro - you personally with your socialist friendly sharing attitude we could be best buddies yaar but you live so bladee far away!!! Bro you are a sensible and mature poster and i respect you for that. With time of course all things are possible. On this forum every post and every thread is disected and everything is twisted against each others nation by the likes of Praful because they have an internal hatred. In reality brother i know thats not the case. It cant be the case - we go too far back for that!
Brother, I understand that you are in phase with reality, but in this reality there are more people like you and me who belive friendship will prevail despite all odds between India & Pakistan, between Hundus & Muslims. what we have to do is talk more of this possible friendship where ever possible to say to the rest of the bloggers to make the change we both fight for.
 
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Bro - you personally with your socialist friendly sharing attitude we could be best buddies yaar but you live so bladee far away!!! Bro you are a sensible and mature poster and i respect you for that. With time of course all things are possible. On this forum every post and every thread is disected and everything is twisted against each others nation by the likes of Praful because they have an internal hatred. In reality brother i know thats not the case. It cant be the case - we go too far back for that!

I totally agree with superkaif here. But atleast some of us have to make an endeavour to try to improve the relations, and when hatred comes in between, we must atleast listen to other person's perspective as well. PDF is a very good place to start this, but I find this place full of people who have already decided that the other party is the sinner and his side is innocent. How do u move ahead then???
 
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Brother, I understand that you are in phase with reality, but in this reality there are more people like you and me who belive friendship will prevail despite all odds between India & Pakistan, between Hundus & Muslims. what we have to do is talk more of this possible friendship where ever possible to say to the rest of the bloggers to make the change we both fight for.

I agree with you. Thanks for the posts
 
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Religious debates can be very long ........

Yes Pakistan and India can be very good friend like England and France who had hundred of years war and now very good friends and EU is formed.

Hate breeds hate , we must love humanity and justice and move forward. :cheers:
 
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Religious debates can be very long ........

Yes Pakistan and India can be very good friend like England and France who had hundred of years war and now very good friends and EU is formed.

Hate breeds hate , we must love humanity and justice and move forward. :cheers:

Agreeed.
Lets find oppertunities to strengthen the bond rather than weaken it.
 
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The first thing that we guys can do individually is, stop contributing to trolling. Atleast i will try to do that... and next, plz lesten to the other person sincerely , once atleast.

Great post - lets hope people take this on board!
 
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The first thing that we guys can do individually is, stop contributing to trolling. Atleast i will try to do that... and next, plz listen to the other person sincerely , once atleast.
and importantly when some one trolls or baits others to troll, ignore the same. a few days past the troller will get seasoned.
 
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