I can answer questions about China and help you understand our country

[nang2]

I'm sorry, you misunderstood collectivism.
First of all, the Chinese believe in Confucianism. The core idea of Confucianism is "中庸". The main feature of "中庸" is that they don't make extreme choices in anything.
China's collectivism is also based on "中庸", so the Chinese people will not exclude dissidents, which is an extreme behavior.
You can see that the Chinese never ask people from other countries to follow Chinese values and will not exclude countries with different values, because that is also an extreme behavior.

We don't exclude different opinions at the national level. Why do you think we exclude different opinions at the social level?

I think you may mistakenly regard China as the Soviet Union and the USA, China has no NKVD and FBI.

Collectivism is NOT "中庸", which means the middle way, which is not only taught by Confucianism but also other religions like Buddhism. The whole point is not to go extreme. It is applied by individuals to guide their own lives and has no conflict with individualism. Collectivism, well, is a totally different subject and is the opposite of individualism.

 

[MH.Yang]

Collectivism is NOT "中庸", which means the middle way, which is not only taught by Confucianism but also other religions like Buddhism. The whole point is not to go extreme. It is applied by individuals to guide their own lives and has no conflict with individualism. Collectivism, well, is a totally different subject and is the opposite of individualism.

中庸 makes the Chinese people not strictly follow collectivism, and the Chinese people also allow individualism. Just as Chinese allow capitalism, and also implement socialism.

中庸 also means that everything has an opposite, it is Yin(阴)&Yang(阳). Yin(阴)&Yang(阳) is a universal phenomenon.
Yin(阴)&Yang(阳) is are both mutually exclusive and interdependent. When Chinese people understand things, they see both the different side of things and the interrelated side of things.
For example, economic development and environmental protection. Economic development will destroy environmental protection, and environmental protection often restricts economic development. So the two are mutually exclusive. However, 中庸 tells us that economic development and environmental protection can also promote each other. economic development should follow the basic principles of environmental protection, environmental protection can also make economic development benign, healthy and sustainable.

 

[nang2]

中庸 makes the Chinese people not strictly follow collectivism, and the Chinese people also allow individualism. Just as Chinese allow capitalism, and also implement socialism.

Most people have enough common sense to know the pros/cons of collectivism and individualism. They won't blindly follow either. It is often the ideology of the ruling party that sticks to one of them. For example, communism leaves no space for individualism, though oddly in practice communists fall back to individualism subconsciously, like praising someone as a savior of the nation, which sounds more like individualism.

Chinese have been imbued in such an ideology for decades. Therefore, mental tendence towards collectivism is common.

 

[MH.Yang]

Most people have enough common sense to know the pros/cons of collectivism and individualism. They won't blindly follow either. It is often the ideology of the ruling party that sticks to one of them. For example, communism leaves no space for individualism, though oddly in practice communists fall back to individualism subconsciously, like praising someone as a savior of the nation, which sounds more like individualism.

Chinese have been imbued in such an ideology for decades. Therefore, mental tendence towards collectivism is common.

My English is not very good. I don't know how to explain it to you. It is beyond my ability to describe Chinese ancient philosophy in English. In the eyes of the Chinese, collectivism and individualism are mutually exclusive and interdependent.it is Yin(阴)&Yang(阳).

 

[nang2]

My English is not very good. I don't know how to explain it to you. It is beyond my ability to describe Chinese ancient philosophy in English. In the eyes of the Chinese, collectivism and individualism are mutually exclusive and interdependent.it is Yin(阴)&Yang(阳).

That is folklore religion based on Taoism, not communism. Maybe your communism is an adulterated version, but as long as the core belief is still Marxism, we will see you and other Chinese communists gravitate towards it eventually, only being pulled out occasionally by the survival instinct, like Deng did in 1978.

With so much adulteration, CCP really should change its name. But again, truthfulness is never a virtue of CCP, who would do anything immoral to survive.

 

[MH.Yang]

That is folklore religion based on Taoism, not communism. Maybe your communism is an adulterated version, but as long as the core belief is still Marxism, we will see you and other Chinese communists gravitate towards it eventually, only being pulled out occasionally by the survival instinct, like Deng did in 1978.

With so much adulteration, CCP really should change its name. But again, truthfulness is never a virtue of CCP, who would do anything immoral to survive.

The Chinese people's understanding of communism with Chinese culture. How can you say it's false or immoral?
You know neither communism nor Chinese culture and philosophy.

 

[nang2]

The Chinese people's understanding of communism with Chinese culture. How can you say it's false or immoral?
You know neither communism nor Chinese culture and philosophy.

I mean lying, which is common among all politicians, CCP included. What stands out with CCP is that they can shut out people's voice so they can speak lies more loudly, proudly and repeatedly. One big lie is "socialism market economy". Anyone who has a little bit of knowledge of economics and history would know it is an oxymoron. In the recent years, US Senator Bernie Sanders praised Denmark as a socialist country, which drove Denmark's prime minister furious and shout back that "Denmark has a market economy!". That is someone who knows these terms accurately.

Of course, I don't mean you are lying. You are just parroting what you have been taught.

 

[letsrock]

@MH.Yang one more thing is the uttter destruction of value of chinese stocks. What do you make of it ? is it inability of chinese govt to effectively communicate which is leading to this panic ? or does china really want the value of its own companies to be destroyed for some socialistic vision? or do you think market is behaving irrationally ?

 

[MH.Yang]

@MH.Yang one more thing is the uttter destruction of value of chinese stocks. What do you make of it ? is it inability of chinese govt to effectively communicate which is leading to this panic ? or does china really want the value of its own companies to be destroyed for some socialistic vision? or do you think market is behaving irrationally ?

Because Chinese money goes to the housing market instead of the stock market.

I mean lying, which is common among all politicians, CCP included. What stands out with CCP is that they can shut out people's voice so they can speak lies more loudly, proudly and repeatedly. One big lie is "socialism market economy". Anyone who has a little bit of knowledge of economics and history would know it is an oxymoron. In the recent years, US Senator Bernie Sanders praised Denmark as a socialist country, which drove Denmark's prime minister furious and shout back that "Denmark has a market economy!". That is someone who knows these terms accurately.

Of course, I don't mean you are lying. You are just parroting what you have been taught.

China is not lying. We are indeed communist countries. You just don't understand.

 

[nang2]

Because Chinese money goes to the housing market instead of the stock market.

Do you even understand his questions?

 

[MH.Yang]

Do you even understand his questions?

If you really know communism, Do you konw Materialist Dialectics ?

Please tell me, what's the difference between what I just said Yin&Yang and Materialist Dialectics?
When you Google, do you find that they are the same.
I am sorry, I lied to you, I set a trap just now.
I'm actually talking about Materialist Dialectics, not the real Yin&Yang.

I deliberately use Yin&Yang to describe the theory of Materialist Dialectics, And the Materialist Dialectics is actually the most orthodox communist theory.

Because I know you'll Google Yin&Yang and say Chinese is not really communism. So I ended the argument with a trap.
You just accused materialist dialectics of not communism, so let's end this debate.

 

[letsrock]

Because Chinese money goes to the housing market instead of the stock market.

Thats a very cavalier response. The value loss has been in excess of trillion dollars. It could be loss of international investors money and few chinese investors money . But to dismiss such huge loss connected to china as " it doesnt effect me or people i know personally so i dont care " means you no longer speak for china if china leads to losses of foreigners who trusted chinese markets.

Also how much money can chase housing market? are you going to keep on increasing prices of those small 100 sq meter apartment in to millions of Yuan ? And if you regulate housing prices then where will chinese savings go?. People wont trust chinese stock or investment markets at all if the value can evaporate so quickly - and not due to some unfortunate events or company bad behaviour - but due to deliberate govt policy.

Again i am not blaming chinese govt policy alone because it doesn't seem to be that wrong. but the way chinese govt is giving these signals despite knowing the market is falling down shows height of irresponsibility towards people who trusted Chinese market and companies and invested their savings.

 

[Nan Yang]

They could simply have no opportunity to do evil.

Or no opportunity to do good.

I don't think corruption comes from power, but from the lack of supervision.The gap between the rich and the poor and the imperfect legal system also may lead to corruption.

The level of Corruption of each country is related directly to the level of development. That is why all 3rd world country are corrupt. As a country become more develop, it's system of law and order will become stronger and people eg Police and officials becomes more professional.

But beware, as the country become more develop, corrupt people also become smarter and you will have the situation in United States. Legalized corruption.

As China move towards cashless digital currency where every transaction become more transparent and leaves behind an electronic trail. Corruption will be hard to hide.

 

[nang2]

If you really know communism, Do you konw Materialist Dialectics ?

Please tell me, what's the difference between what I just said Yin&Yang and Materialist Dialectics?
When you Google, do you find that they are the same.
I am sorry, I lied to you, I set a trap just now.
I'm actually talking about Materialist Dialectics, not the real Yin&Yang.

I deliberately use Yin&Yang to describe the theory of Materialist Dialectics, And the Materialist Dialectics is actually the most orthodox communist theory.

Because I know you'll Google Yin&Yang and say Chinese is not really communism. So I ended the argument with a trap.

You see. Wouldn't it be so much easier to talk straight, instead of running around and using some metaphors that are really different from what you want to say?

By the way, dialectics is a word since ancient Greece. It has been long interchangeable with logic but they actually mean different things. Logic follows a certain set of rules, which all sides of an argument need to agree upon. Dialectics is to win an argument, whatever it takes, often involving some trickeries. With logic, from a truth, it also draws a conclusion that is also a truth. With dialectics, it is not always true. From truth, it can lead to falsehood so long as the argument is won as nobody can provide a counter argument in time.

In recent history, dialectics has been heavily abused since Hegel to generate specious theories but also lead to laughable results. Such as how Hegel used dialectics to prove that Prussian Empire was the culmination of human civilization and Marx invented polylogicism (different class has different logic) just to either win or evade arguments.

Therefore, I usually don't take dialectics seriously. I prefer logic, instead.

Speaking of logic, Eugen Bohm-Bawerk's "Karl Marx and the Close of His System" is an excellent demonstration. It not only has tight logic but also employs the charity principle, which is very rare in critical arguments. It is even on Marxist's web site. https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/bohm/ch01.htm

Or no opportunity to do good.

Exactly. That is why Nietzsche recommended not to judge their morality.

 

[MH.Yang]

Do you even understand his questions?

Thats a very cavalier response. The value loss has been in excess of trillion dollars. It could be loss of international investors money and few chinese investors money . But to dismiss such huge loss connected to china as " it doesnt effect me or people i know personally so i dont care " means you no longer speak for china if china leads to losses of foreigners who trusted chinese markets.

Also how much money can chase housing market? are you going to keep on increasing prices of those small 100 sq meter apartment in to millions of Yuan ? And if you regulate housing prices then where will chinese savings go?. People wont trust chinese stock or investment markets at all if the value can evaporate so quickly - and not due to some unfortunate events or company bad behaviour - but due to deliberate govt policy.

Again i am not blaming chinese govt policy alone because it doesn't seem to be that wrong. but the way chinese govt is giving these signals despite knowing the market is falling down shows height of irresponsibility towards people who trusted Chinese market and companies and invested their savings.

I am sorry. Iet me explain it seriously.

Due to the lack of professional investment knowledge, private funds usually have only three investment areas. The 1st is to hype the stock market, the 2nd is to hype the property market, and the 3rd is to hype the living materials (for example, grain, oil).
And the 3rd is completely unworkable in China. The CCP believes that living materials is related to social stability, so they will crack down on any speculation of living materials. The CCP has huge living materials reserves (for example, the CCP has 650 million tons of grain reserves, enough for Indians to eat for 3 years), when the CCP will intervention in the market, speculators usually suffer heavy losses.
Therefore, China's private capital usually flows between the property market and the stock market. When China's stock market is hit or the property market has major favorable policies, funds will go to the property market. vice versa.
However, the government has always wanted these funds to flow to the manufacturing industry, so recently it has been investigating and dealing with the violations of securities institutions and trying to control the rise of house prices.