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Hypothetical war scenario between China and India

Chacha, Took me just half an hour, usually when i login to pdf sometime before azan, I don’t quit as I have nothing to do in the small time between. So did this small contribution.

No doubt. Good contribution. I have read it. I was joking in a lighter vein.

"Baabon ko bardaasht ker, ya pass ker":lol:

TLDS : India doesn’t stand a chance against the economic, Infrastructure and military might of China for even a week in a ‘TOTAL ANNIHILATION WAR’ unless Nuclear comes on the table to cool things down or worsen it.

Correct final conclusion. I fully concur.
 
I would like to add up one important thing.

This is a fact in general.

Throughout the world,

  1. There are weak and poor countries (Eg : somalia)

  2. Then comes countries with limited Military power and economy, To defend against small scale proxies or constraints. (Eg : Nigeria, Sri Lanka)

  3. Then comes countries that have vast trade relations, Quite an economy, Good military buildup, But they are in Development phase, the pace is slow. They have big militaries, Inventory of weapons, A fragile but functioning economies, Squeeze it and you can get some drops for procurement. They have average to no indigenization.They have relationship troubles with some countries. (Eg : Pakistan, Egypt, India)
  4. Countries that have wealth, They always have the power to procure things they want, Economy on top. These countries generally are preferred by every vendor due to the “Cash in pockets”, Everyone wants them as customers. They are powerful but lack influence and face hurdles for coming out loud. (Eg : KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar)
  5. SuperPowers - Countries that have huge economy, Infrastructure is there, Development graph has no to least change, curve is flat and on top. They have local industries or excess means to buy weapons, Maintain Huge forces and influence over other countries. (EG : USA, Russia, China)

Now, Take this scenario.
China and India, A war happens, Why ? What is the reason ? What is the meaning of war ? What is the difference between war and battle ? Are the Conflicts we know as war, Are actually wars or battles or just ops ?

Is war Not categorized ?

In fact, Wars can be categorized into three Categories.

  • Absolute War
  • Instrumental War
  • Agnostic Fighting
Absolute war is unrestricted and unregulated war,
Agonistic fighting is regulated according to norms,
and Instrumental war may or may not be restricted, according to considerations of expediency.

What The OP is considering here is Absolute War. Total Annihilation of either of the sides, But why ? Any Major Absolute War in the 21st century is directed upon the enemy’s economy and then on the Military Might. The spine of a country is Economy and To small extent, Military, But it varies from region to region where sometimes both are equally important. One can’t survive without the other.

For instance, Country such as KSA, Has Huge economy, Military Might is surprisingly not what such economy can actually support given the huge defence budget, (Military should be double or triple to what they are, Pakistan has 6 times smaller budget yet military is huge by multiple folds).

Coming back to total annihilation war between China And India, First question arises, “WHY ??”

What can lead to such disaster ? Such wars only happen if either of the country deems the destruction of the other is the ONLY key to survival. When did that happen the last time in the world ? Soviet Invasion ? Cold war ? WW2, WW1 ? Break everyone for survival ?

Fortunately, China and India doesn’t seem to share such thoughts mutually, Both parties know the consequences, India never openly comes out threatening China “Officially”.

China on the other hand, Knows, Any disturbance from any part if the world, Be it South China sea potential conflict, Conflict with India, Or any other state, Will lead to collapse of China’s economy, Export industry will be lost, Customers go elsewhere, Engine stalls then breaks, Take CoViD-19 as a Real Life and RealTime example, Look what has happened to the world, Would anyone want such to happen without preparing for backups ? Simple Answer is NO.

World will intervene in case of any conflict, the intervention would be Real and From the core. Prevention will be the ultimate solution unless one wants to introduce WW3 where USA backs India against China, Sides are made, Pakistan acts accordingly, Russia has to decide whether to part with or part ways.

Let me highlight another important Factor of Why A war wouldn’t happen Between India And China.

Simple, SuperPower and A country belonging to Point No.3 (refer to the table above) can’t fight, Doom for the latter, Economy breaks, The little might they gathered over years destroyed in a matter of week or even days, Feet cut, Vulnerable by the weakest.

As stated earlier,
Superpowers have enough cash to sign huge weapons deals for the lowest time period contracts ie, They can afford to pay cash upfront on spot, have cash to spare all the time for such huge deals. Their primary focus is not building up but maintaining what they have.


OTOH, Countries from Category 3, They spare money but with problems, Not easy to do that, Economic problems, Civil crises, Poverty, They all are the Limiting Factors. It takes these countries decades to build up some might that a super power can pay in a matter of 3-6 years and can gather a might more than these Cat3 countries. Cat 3 countries take decades, smallest of the deals take 3-5 years to materialize, Cash isn’t upfront, rather on installments, They allocate from defence budget every month just for something not so big.

SuperPowers also usually have local industries to manufacture weapons on urgent basis when needed, This helps in war.


So when Cat 3 countries fight against Super powers, Victory isn’t certain but stalemate has some chances while defeat is imminent.

To defeat a superpower, Nuclear is the way.

TLDS : India doesn’t stand a chance against the economic, Infrastructure and military might of China for even a week in a ‘TOTAL ANNIHILATION WAR’ unless Nuclear comes on the table to cool things down or worsen it.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Slav Defence @WebMaster @HRK @Signalian @Blacklight @The Eagle @Dazzler @dbc @aliyusuf @jaibi @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Verve @RescueRanger @notorious_eagle
Totally agreed.
This is an unrealistic topic.
No one truly wins after a nuclear war.
Even the military victor will suffer from the deadly effects of nuclear fallout.
MAD --> Mutually Assured Destruction.
 
I would like to add up one important thing.

This is a fact in general.

Throughout the world,

  1. There are weak and poor countries (Eg : somalia)

  2. Then comes countries with limited Military power and economy, To defend against small scale proxies or constraints. (Eg : Nigeria, Sri Lanka)

  3. Then comes countries that have vast trade relations, Quite an economy, Good military buildup, But they are in Development phase, the pace is slow. They have big militaries, Inventory of weapons, A fragile but functioning economies, Squeeze it and you can get some drops for procurement. They have average to no indigenization.They have relationship troubles with some countries. (Eg : Pakistan, Egypt, India)
  4. Countries that have wealth, They always have the power to procure things they want, Economy on top. These countries generally are preferred by every vendor due to the “Cash in pockets”, Everyone wants them as customers. They are powerful but lack influence and face hurdles for coming out loud. (Eg : KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar)
  5. SuperPowers - Countries that have huge economy, Infrastructure is there, Development graph has no to least change, curve is flat and on top. They have local industries or excess means to buy weapons, Maintain Huge forces and influence over other countries. (EG : USA, Russia, China)

Now, Take this scenario.
China and India, A war happens, Why ? What is the reason ? What is the meaning of war ? What is the difference between war and battle ? Are the Conflicts we know as war, Are actually wars or battles or just ops ?

Is war Not categorized ?

In fact, Wars can be categorized into three Categories.

  • Absolute War
  • Instrumental War
  • Agnostic Fighting
Absolute war is unrestricted and unregulated war,
Agonistic fighting is regulated according to norms,
and Instrumental war may or may not be restricted, according to considerations of expediency.

What The OP is considering here is Absolute War. Total Annihilation of either of the sides, But why ? Any Major Absolute War in the 21st century is directed upon the enemy’s economy and then on the Military Might. The spine of a country is Economy and To small extent, Military, But it varies from region to region where sometimes both are equally important. One can’t survive without the other.

For instance, Country such as KSA, Has Huge economy, Military Might is surprisingly not what such economy can actually support given the huge defence budget, (Military should be double or triple to what they are, Pakistan has 6 times smaller budget yet military is huge by multiple folds).

Coming back to total annihilation war between China And India, First question arises, “WHY ??”

What can lead to such disaster ? Such wars only happen if either of the country deems the destruction of the other is the ONLY key to survival. When did that happen the last time in the world ? Soviet Invasion ? Cold war ? WW2, WW1 ? Break everyone for survival ?

Fortunately, China and India doesn’t seem to share such thoughts mutually, Both parties know the consequences, India never openly comes out threatening China “Officially”.

China on the other hand, Knows, Any disturbance from any part if the world, Be it South China sea potential conflict, Conflict with India, Or any other state, Will lead to collapse of China’s economy, Export industry will be lost, Customers go elsewhere, Engine stalls then breaks, Take CoViD-19 as a Real Life and RealTime example, Look what has happened to the world, Would anyone want such to happen without preparing for backups ? Simple Answer is NO.

World will intervene in case of any conflict, the intervention would be Real and From the core. Prevention will be the ultimate solution unless one wants to introduce WW3 where USA backs India against China, Sides are made, Pakistan acts accordingly, Russia has to decide whether to part with or part ways.

Let me highlight another important Factor of Why A war wouldn’t happen Between India And China.

Simple, SuperPower and A country belonging to Point No.3 (refer to the table above) can’t fight, Doom for the latter, Economy breaks, The little might they gathered over years destroyed in a matter of week or even days, Feet cut, Vulnerable by the weakest.

As stated earlier,
Superpowers have enough cash to sign huge weapons deals for the lowest time period contracts ie, They can afford to pay cash upfront on spot, have cash to spare all the time for such huge deals. Their primary focus is not building up but maintaining what they have.


OTOH, Countries from Category 3, They spare money but with problems, Not easy to do that, Economic problems, Civil crises, Poverty, They all are the Limiting Factors. It takes these countries decades to build up some might that a super power can pay in a matter of 3-6 years and can gather a might more than these Cat3 countries. Cat 3 countries take decades, smallest of the deals take 3-5 years to materialize, Cash isn’t upfront, rather on installments, They allocate from defence budget every month just for something not so big.

SuperPowers also usually have local industries to manufacture weapons on urgent basis when needed, This helps in war.


So when Cat 3 countries fight against Super powers, Victory isn’t certain but stalemate has some chances while defeat is imminent.

To defeat a superpower, Nuclear is the way.

TLDS : India doesn’t stand a chance against the economic, Infrastructure and military might of China for even a week in a ‘TOTAL ANNIHILATION WAR’ unless Nuclear comes on the table to cool things down or worsen it.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Slav Defence @WebMaster @HRK @Signalian @Blacklight @The Eagle @Dazzler @dbc @aliyusuf @jaibi @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Verve @RescueRanger @notorious_eagle


O Shahzade,

Now this is a good start... delighted!

However, as you know I won't lie.... I shall give 5/10....

The problem arrises of not seeing War in the PresentAge as it is...and everyone goes to the border loaded with tanks and guns...

What are the Vectors of War?


Once again... from Simple to Complex.....and.... from General to Specific... build your model!!!

If I may invite you to re-read the post directed to @Mentee in the beginning of this thread.... enough Markers there to build a Model.

War is all about Calculations on achieving an Outcome!

Nobody has defined the Outcome
and we are marching to the WorldWarThree already...as if the CombinedWest will waste Blood and Treasure on CannonFodder...

The Curveball: How would a DirectWar between China and India benefit the CombinedWest and make the 500yrs Old Hold on the World stronger?

Mangus
 
If you ask me, The Karakoram Range makes a perfect border betweeen India and China...a complete natural border...and in the East...The Himalayas does the same job...we have to take everything that comes in the future within the framework of the post Corona world
 
If you ask me, The Karakoram Range makes a perfect border betweeen India and China...a complete natural border...and in the East...The Himalayas does the same job...we have to take everything that comes in the future within the framework of the post Corona world

Array bhai Juggernaut: Koyi aesi baat bhi ker liya karo, jo hum jaesay kharhkay huye baabon kay pallay bhi parh jaye.:lol:
 
How would a DirectWar between China and India benefit the CombinedWest and make the 500yrs Old Hold on the World stronger?

Though i have to give this one to Indians, either out of their cowardliness, or banya thinking; they won't get provoked in to doing anything as such! And as we know of China they won't either because they are too smart to do so... Afghanistan library episode is a perfect example; gangus had lots to gain strategically if they were to involve militarily in Afghanistan but they didn't because they knew Afghanistan is big boys game.

Although another likely scenario is if economically India gets sustainable growth and becomes export driven; the interdependence of China vis a vis India will be too much; and will dent the military corporation between China and Pakistan. No permanent foes no permanent friends.
 
There's nothing rare about my views. You don't see them on Pakistani media so you think every Pakistani thinks about China the way our establishment and government does.

If you watch our media and our politicians speeches especially of Imran Khan, you must think we hate America. Which is a load of bullshit.

Offer American visa to anyone here and see how many people would do anything for it.

Nobody worships China here and our establishment doesn't allow news of Chinese oppression on media or you would have seen what Pakistanis really think of China.

Quad e Azam and Alama e Iqbal weren't morons or ignorant idiots who said Pakistan should be made on Islam. They knew how religious Pakistanis are and how dear Islam is to them.

Pakistani media and politicians are liberals Westernised mummy daddy burger types who spend their life living Western lifestyles. They don't represent Pakistanis. They've nothing to do with Pakistanis and this includes Imran Khan too.

It's the reason why Imran Khan suddenly remembered Riasat e Medina from Scandinavian model and divorced a modern English woman to a peerni so he can fool people. But his face, his views are liberal not Pakistani.

So yeah, i am not a rare breed. What i am is far more knowledgeable than your average Pakistani about China and i don't live in West so hypocrisy hasn't seeped into me and Islamic/Pakistanis morals rather than western morals are still in me.

Here's what Muslims are.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH...ity?lb=UgyM0VfJ9RElReaRV-B4AaABCQ&app=desktop

3 million Muslims subscribed channel
This is what Muslims think of China who know what kind of evil they are. For this same news, i was banned on this forum. For this same news, i was called a lot of names by so called Muslims on this forum.

If this news had aired once on Pakistani media, you would have seen Pakistanis who yell China apna yar, what kind of stuff they would have said about Xi Jinping.

Don't be fooled by this forum. It doesn't represent an average Pakistani. In fact, these expats consider an average Pakistani a jahil scum who is second class human.
Fraudulent khotha. Don't speak as though you represent others.
 
However, as you know I won't lie.... I shall give 5/10...
Surprised that you gave me more than I expected, But not surprised as I myself am not satisfied with this one.

Much has been left for others to discuss,
Vector Of war, dimensions, reasons of war, possible fronts and outcomes, escalation ladder, international efforts
 
O Yaar,

The CombinedWest is trying for the past 70+ years... don't you remember CIA/Indian Operations in Tibet...

But looks like that the good Indians have now strong civil malitia too to capture/conquer Tibet from the Chinese!

Nazis in Nikerz marching, marching.....

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:rofl:..........the little weiner brigade.....:lol:
 

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