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Huawei P20 (899Euros) Released: 40 MP RGB camera, AI-driven photography system, and 4000 mAh battery

I'll wait for the S-10 and then decide which to buy :cheers:
The Note 9's main selling point is the S-Pen, if you don't need it buy the S9 Plus.
The S-Pen is enough to justify buying the Note 9 for some people, even if there are other options that are better overall as a phone.

Just in case you didn't know, here's the Oppo R17 Pro with triple cameras. When is Samsung getting triple cameras?
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I return to this thread a few months later. It is August 31, 2018 today. :lol:








Kirin 980 officially announced. World's 1st 7nm SoC.
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Snapdragon 845 blown out of the water.
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Increase in transistor count.
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Huawei's in-house modem. Qualcomm not needed.
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5G modem Balong 5000. Qualcomm not needed.
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Mate 20, coming October 16, 2018. This fall. :rofl:
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Let's see Huawei will able able to beat Apple this year year-on-year sales. If not this year, I believe next year will see Huawei to ship more than 250 million pieces.

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Sep 1, 2018, 02:08am

Huawei's Kirin 980 Is The World's First 7-Nanometer Mobile Chipset With 5G Support

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The Kirin 980 chipset.HUAWEI

The results for the heated race to release the first mainstream 7-nanometer mobile processor are in, and Huawei has edged Apple to come in first. At the IFA trade show in Berlin today, Huawei’s consumer head, Richard Yu, unveiled the company’s next flagship chipset, the Kirin 980, and it is, as rumored, a 7nm SoC (systems-on-a-chip). Apple will almost certainly announce its own 7nm chipset on Sept. 12 during its iPhone launch, but for the record books, Huawei introduced it to the world first.

So what is 7nm, and why does it matter? The “nanometer” part refers to the size of the transistors inside the processors, and the smaller the transistors are, the more of them you can pack inside a chipset, which naturally improves performance. So “nm” is that rare spec in tech in which the smaller the number the better. The Kirin 980 is said to pack 6.9 billion transistors into a chip the size of a fingernail.

Aside from Apple, Qualcomm is expected to announce its own 7nm processor, the Snapdragon 855, early next year.

And don’t think the famously confident and outspoken Yu is going to let that fact go unnoticed. “Qualcomm will probably release a 7nm chip next year, too, but by then, it’ll be five months after we did it.”

The Kirin 980 will first be seen in the company’s upcoming flagship phones, the Mate 20 series, set for unveiling on Oct. 16. In addition to being “the world’s first 7nm chipset,” it also claims several more world’s firsts, including the first chipset to run on Cortex-A76 cores, Mali G76 graphic processing unit, dual-NPUs, and a 1.4 Gbps LTE modem that Yu said will be ready for 5G structure. That’s a lot of techie terms and specs that may not mean much to 99% of the population. Just know that the Kirin 980 will be faster and use less power than the Kirin 970, and the latter two — dual NPUs and 1.4Gbps LTE modem — excite me the most and should bring the most real world benefit.

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Richard Yu on stage in front of a graphic boasting the Kirin 980’s prowess.BEN SIN

Let’s start with the two NPUs (neural processing unit), last year’s Kirin 970 was the first mobile chipset with a dedicated NPU, which allowed it to use A.I. to recognize scenes and objects on-device, without needing internet connection. I covered this in detail during my Huawei Mate 10 Pro review, but essentially the NPU let the phone’s cameras know exactly what it was looking at — it could tell the difference between a dog and a cat, a human from a tree, sunset from sunrise.

All the major Android phonemakers — Samsung, LG, Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo — have since implemented their own version of scene and object recognition algorithms, but because none of those phones were running on chipsets with an NPU, they are all noticeably slower and less accurate. The Kirin 970’s NPU also drove a Porsche in a showcase during the Mobile World Congress.

Kirin 980 is going to double down on the NPU — literally. The chipset will have two NPUs built-in, which Yu said will help ease the workload.

“Think of it like if we’re trying to lift this table up,” Yu said to me, pointing at the table we were sitting at. “If it’s just me trying to lift it up, it’d be difficult. But if you and I do it, it’s easier, because there’s two of us.”

The second part that’s exciting is that modem, which is the first to support to support LTE Cat.21 with the best peak download speeds. Yu said the chipset is 5G ready, though of course this is more future-proofing than of any practical use at this point.

Part of the reason Huawei has managed to climb up the rankings of the Android world in relatively short time is because in addition to making handsets, it also makes its own mobile processor on which the devices run, which puts the Chinese tech giant in rare company — only Apple and Samsung can make that same claim. Other phonemakers, whether it’s Xiaomi or LG, have to rely on third party suppliers such as Qualcomm or MediaTek for mobile processors.

The more parts of the smartphone production process a company controls, the easier it is to for it to optimize the whole package for peak performance. This explains why iPhones are routinely just as smoother than their current Android counterparts, despite running on much less RAM — because Apple not only makes the phone and processor, but also the operating system.

Unless Huawei becomes very ambitious one day and decides to leave Android behind, it will likely never match Apple on that hardware-software synergy. But Huawei could beat Apple in modem-chipset synergy. Apple is in the midst of a dispute with Qualcomm, and thus has had to switch modem suppliers for the new iPhones — which could affect what bands its next iPhones support. Samsung, meanwhile, has to jump between using its own Exynos silicon or Qualcomm’s Snapdragon because its Exynos doesn’t support the CDMA bands used in the U.S. and China. Huawei has no such concerns because it makes its own chipsets and modems.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-mobile-chipset-with-5g-support/#709eb2e7175e
 
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I return to this thread a few months later. It is August 31, 2018 today.








Kirin 980 officially announced. World's 1st 7nm SoC.
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Snapdragon 845 blown out of the water.
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Increase in transistor count.
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Huawei's in-house modem. Qualcomm not needed.
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5G modem Balong 5000. Qualcomm not needed.
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Mate 20, coming October 16, 2018. This fall. :rofl:
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Dude, quoting my post BACK IN APRIL to score a point?

That post is about Mate 20 "ALREADY EXISTED" back in February this year, so for Huawei Chairman to announce Mate 20 to be reviewed at Oct 16, you literally PROVED my point back in April.

Also, a phone is being "REVEALED or REVIEWED" does not mean that phone is being released immediately, Samsung S9 was revealed in Jan 2018, and only go on sale very late march 2018, which mean there are a few months in between. And being REVEALED in October 18 itself is already lies in Q4 2018, so at best case scenario, Mate 20 are released in Q4 2018, if not, it can goes as far as Q1 2019.

Now, whether or not Mate 20 can kill Samsung Note 9 is REMAIN TO BE SEEN. But I know for a fact that is P20 Pro did not perform very well against Samsung S9. According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)

https://www.fonearena.com/blog/262466/huawei-p20-pro-10-million-sales-morpho-aurora-pearl-white.html

On the other hand, Samsung S9, as crap as it is, sold 9 millions in just the first month.

http://www.androidbeat.com/2018/04/samsung-shipped-9-million-galaxy-s9-units-launch-month/

According to the bell, Samsung S9 sold Q1 + Q2 (ended June 31) is 19.2 millions.

http://www.thebell.co.kr/free/content/ArticleView.asp?key=201807170100030780001964&lcode=00

And Note 9 is A LOT BETTER than S9+.

So, you do the maths
 
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Dude, quoting my post BACK IN APRIL to score a point?

That post is about Mate 20 "ALREADY EXISTED" back in February this year, so for Huawei Chairman to announce Mate 20 to be released at Oct 16, you literally PROVED my point back in April.

Also, a phone is being "REVEALED or REVIEWED" does not mean that phone is being released immediately, Samsung S9 was revealed in Jan 2018, and only go on sale very late march 2018, which mean there are a few months in between. And being REVEALED in October 18 itself is already lies in Q4 2018, so at best case scenario, Mate 20 are released in Q4 2018, if not, it can goes as far as Q1 2019.

Now, whether or not Mate 20 can kill Samsung Note 9 is REMAIN TO BE SEEN. But I know for a fact that is P20 Pro did not perform very well against Samsung S9. According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)

https://www.fonearena.com/blog/262466/huawei-p20-pro-10-million-sales-morpho-aurora-pearl-white.html

On the other hand, Samsung S9, as crap as it is, sold 9 millions in just the first month.

http://www.androidbeat.com/2018/04/samsung-shipped-9-million-galaxy-s9-units-launch-month/

According to the bell, Samsung S9 sold Q1 + Q2 (ended June 31) is 19.2 millions.

http://www.thebell.co.kr/free/content/ArticleView.asp?key=201807170100030780001964&lcode=00

And Note 9 is A LOT BETTER than S9+.

So, you do the maths
Would u mind sticking with your features and bug fixing?
 
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I'm in iOS user so this phone has no appeal for me. In the end, it's still an Android phone and will appeal to those who currently use it. If Huawei, or any Chinese phone company, for that matter, really want to take on iOS, it should create its own OS on its own hardware.

There is no need for a proprietary OS when the an open source modifiable one does the job and does it better than the rest of them. Btw, iOS is actually a licensed version on Unix underneath it's UI. I don't even think iOS has a file browser. Correct me if I'm wrong.

creating your own os is easy, creating a ecosystem is stupidly hard and not worth the effort. failure of windows mobile is supportive of this. even though its a bloody solid os

Untrue, both Apple and Microsoft struggled to create and tweak their OS to the state they're in today. it's an ongoing process. The OS is arguably the most important component in creating an ecosystem as this is what users interact with for the most part. It's only easy today in the Android sector due to the fact that manufacturers can modify the Android OS to their own liking as it provides a framework to do so.
 
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Would u mind sticking with your features and bug fixing?

I will, in fact, I did, I just bought a Samsung S9 to upgrade from my Samsung Galaxy S7 edge, and you know what? When I buy it on JB Hifi, they are selling cheaper than Huawei P20, by 200 dollars. And both are on sale, and I did tested the P20 from the shop, and I don't think it justify to pay $1000 of my dollars for just a better camera (battery is not important to me) and I think the sale figure from both phone actually did support my point, both were being sold for 6 months now, and Samsung is about selling slightly less than twice than Huawei, mind you, you and a lot of people, include me, keep saying the S9 is shit, and it is, the Bixby button is annoying, and sometime the notification is so hidden inside the edged bezel you cannot tap it and you know what? P20 still cannot beat that Samsung S9. That in itself saying something.

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I'll wait for the S-10 and then decide which to buy :cheers:
The Note 9's main selling point is the S-Pen, if you don't need it buy the S9 Plus.
The S-Pen is enough to justify buying the Note 9 for some people, even if there are other options that are better overall as a phone.

You are arguing to a person who don't really know what people needed. Just because it have a tri-camera, then the whole phone must be better than the other brand lol.

The same argument we have heard about how P20 is going to kill off Samsung S9, and turns out how WRONG these people are.

On the other hand, they forgot to mentioned just a couple of day later, Qualcomm have their own announcement on 7nm chips, not a surprise actually, because TSMC supplies both HiSilicon and Qualcomm, if they have the 7nm out, they will not just give it to Huawei. So basically, that will negate the so called "Advantage" these people are talking about because both Qualcomm and Huawei 7nm is going to start at the similar point, maybe a few days ahead for either one, but will not be such a big gap like "Months Ahead" some member put out to be

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/22/qualcomm-7nm-snapdragon-chip/

Soon enough, I'm not in a hurry.

Actually, in a marketing point of view, it would be quite stupid to launch a flagship phone now when 5G is just about the corner (would be in Q1 or Q2 2019) and trust me, people who are thinking of buying their next phone (Flagship phone I mean) would not care about S-pen or 3 camera or any other feature, but simply on whether or not the next phone I buy support 5G.

Which basically mean it's quite stupid to launch now because unless you recall it, your new launch will not be ready for 5G when it come out and you have to wait for the next rotation, which is the whole year to be benefit from. That is the rumor going on about how Samsung withhold feature from the new Note 9 and saving it for S10.
 
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But I know for a fact that is P20 Pro did not perform very well against Samsung S9. According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)

https://www.fonearena.com/blog/262466/huawei-p20-pro-10-million-sales-morpho-aurora-pearl-white.html
I'm sure you can reasonably explain to us unenlightened Chinamen how
"Huawei at the IFA 2018 announced that it has sold 10 million units of P20 Pro and P20 smartphones globally in the first five months."
in that article, turned into
"According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)"
in your post, without resorting to another deflecting and projecting rant.
 
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Im sure you have some very reasonable explanation in stock how
"Huawei at the IFA 2018 announced that it has sold 10 million units of P20 Pro and P20 smartphones globally in the first five months."
turned into
"According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)"
without resorting to another angry deflecting and projecting ranta.

You do know P20 only released 5 months ago, right? It launched GLOBALLY at March 27, 2018, today being September 2 2018 and the article come out on Sept 1 2018. Which mean the P20 has been sold for 5 months and 4 days to be EXACT.

So WHAT IS THE FRICKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "The phone has reach 10 millions mark Yesterday" (which is 5 months and 3 days) and "The phone has sold 10 millions for the first 5 months"

Are you really want to pick me up for that 3 days difference? Are you for real?
 
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Huawei P20 Pro one-ups Galaxy S9 with three rear cameras

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Huawei P20 and P20 Pro take on the GS9 in every way -- we go hands on.

BY JESSICA DOLCOURT
MARCH 27, 2018


It's time for the Galaxy S9 to watch its back. Huawei's new P20 and P20 Pro are coming up fast, with enough camera tricks and hardware specs to put Samsung'spremier phone smack in the middle of the Huawei P20's target.

With a total of three camera lenses on the back, the Huawei P20 Pro deserves your attention. A triple-camera array is an industry first for photography (they've been used previously for depth sensing or AR), but Huawei also crams the P20 Pro with the same super slow motion video you see on the Galaxy S9, extreme zoom and a feature that promises to take exceptionally even night shots.

The regular Huawei P20 gets many of the P20 Pro's tools, but not all. Stick around to see all the camera features in both P20 phones.


Meanwhile, here are the most important things you need to know about Huawei's new phones:
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  • The Huawei P20 has two camera lenses on the back and the P20 Pro has three
  • Yes, there is a notch, which you can turn off in the settings
  • The P20 and P20 Pro are very different: the P20 is not just the same phone, minus a camera lens
  • Huawei made a "unicorn" phone. I'll explain everything below
  • Neither the Huawei P20 or P20 Pro will sell in the US (scroll down for the backstory) -- but you should still care because the P20 Pro especially has features you could see on other future phones
Huawei P20 and P20 Pro prices

The P20 costs 649 euros for 4GB of memory and 128GB of storage. That converts to about $800, £570 or AU$1,050. The P20 Pro is 899 euros for 6GB of memory and 128GB of storage. That converts to about $1,115, £790 or AU$1,450.


Huawei P20 and P20 Plus: What's the difference?

The Huawei P20 is a bit smaller and cheaper than the Huawei P20 Pro. It's got a different screen (LCD instead of OLED), a smaller battery, and -- importantly -- it "only" has two rear cameras on the back, instead of three. The cameras it does have also have a different megapixel mix (fewer megapixels, but that's not necessarily a bad thing).

However, other key P20 characteristics, such as the processor and the storage size, match up to the P20 Pro. Scroll to the end for a full specs comparison in a handy chart.


Huawei totally made a 'unicorn' phone before this rival

Teal to purple, shifting to teal again. When you hold the mesmerizing, iridescent Huawei P20 or P20 Pro phones in Twilight, it's hard to focus on anything other than the way the color changes in the light.

So why am I calling it a unicorn phone? Because fellow Chinese phonemaker OnePlus held a color contest for its next phone, and "Unicorn" was the winner. OnePlus never made its pinkish-blueish-purplish color, but with the Twilight shade, Huawei just did. Thunder, stolen.

If you don't want a phone that looks like the phone version of a Starbucks Unicorn Frappuccino, both the P20 and P20 Plus also come in black, midnight blue and pink gold (this also has the same cool gradient effect). The smaller P20 also comes in champagne gold.


About the notch: Now you see it, now you don't

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The P20 and P20 Pro come with a notch by default. That's the black cut-out you see on the iPhone X and so many other real and rumored Android phones right now.

But put down your pitchforks. If you decide you don't like it, Huawei makes it easy to flip it off with a quick trip to the settings.

Huawei P20 Pro camera has three camera lenses

No, the P20 phones don't have the Galaxy S9's dual-aperture lens for taking clearer low light shots, but the P20 Pro has its own first for phones: three camera lenses on the back.

Huawei says its P20s will shoot faster, zoom in farther, and take clearer photos with richer color. As with many past models, Huawei co-engineered the P20's cameras with Leica, a company known for making high-end cameras.

You get the usual color lens, a monochrome lens for adding richer detail and a telephoto lens for zooming and taking portrait shots.

There's also a front-facing camera, which brings the total up to four.

Here's the P20 Pro camera breakdown:

  • 40-megapixel main RGB (Aperture: F1.8)
  • 8-megapixel telephoto (Aperture: F2.4; has OIS)
  • 20-megapixel monochrome lens (Aperture: F1.6)
  • 24-megapixel front-facing camera (Aperture: F2.0)
And here's the Huawei P20 camera sitch:
  • 12-megapixel main RGB (Aperture: F1.8)
  • 20-megapixel monochrome lens (Aperture: F1.6)
  • 24-megapixel front-facing camera (Aperture: F2.0)

P20 and P20 Pro camera tricks


Camera specs are well and good, but what's important is what you can do with them. Here are the highlights.

Automatically picks camera mode: Both P20 phones can pick the "right" settings and mode for your pet, dinner, a group shot, a close-up and so on. You can dismiss the mode or opt out of the whole thing.



3x optical zoom: The P2O Pro's telephoto camera makes this happen.

5x hybrid zoom: On the P20 Pro, a combination of the optical camera and digital zoom make it possible to zoom in very close.

Super slow motion video: Like the Galaxy S9, both P20 phones add a 960fps super slow motion mode that takes video in 720p resolution. There's also a regular slow-mo option that takes 240fps video at a 1080p resolution.

Portrait shots and portrait selfies: You can take photos with that blurred bokeh effect from either side of the phones. Huawei also includes portrait lighting effects that mimic the iPhone X's portrait lighting modes.

Assisted composition: When you're taking a group shot, the P20s will automatically zoom out so you won't have to step back.

Low light "long exposure" mode: Huawei combines multiple shots into one well-exposed image. It can solve the problem of handshake when you're trying to take night shots without a tripod. (We'll have to see how well it works if the subject is moving.)



Ultra snapshot: Whiles the screen's off, you can shoot a picture in 0.3 second by double clicking on volume down -- but you can't frame your shot.

Predictive focus: This feature guesses where the focus area will be on the subject at any given moment and keeps the autofocus point in sync, like the motion like flower blowing in the wind. This should make photos and videos more in focus.

A quick note for camera geeks:

The Huawei P20 Pro's telephoto lens is the only one that uses optical image stabilization. The rest use electronic image stabilization. The P20 Pro's image sensor grabs low light images with up to ISO 102400.

Huawei boasts that the sensor used on its 40-megapixel camera is 223 percent larger than the iPhone X and 170 percent larger than the Galaxy S9, but it's also got way more pixels crammed onto it, so this isn't necessarily a good thing -- long-term tests will tell us what we need to know.

Wait, why won't the Huawei P20 Plus and P20 sell in the US?

It's been years since Huawei has sold any of its phones through a carrier, but it does sell some through retailers like Amazon and through its own site. So if the P20 and P20 Pro are so cutting edge, why not sell them in one of the world's most important markets?

You can't buy these in the US.

That's a thorny one. While Huawei phones are generally rated well, the Chinese company faces sharp criticism from the US government over fears that Huawei intends to spy on the US through its products -- it also makes networking infrastructure equipment.
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In February, the heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA all expressed concerns over the company's smartphones. Since then, AT&T and Verizon reportedly torpedoed plans to carry Huawei's Mate 10 Pro because of political pressure, and Best Buy, the nation's largest electronics retailer, has dumped Huawei as a customer.

There's some history here, too. In 2012, the US government banned the sale of Huawei equipment. No other country has banned the Chinese company, althoughAustralia blocked Huawei from working on its national broadband network.

Huawei, for its part, champions its relationships with major carriers and companies in over 170 countries. "We have earned the trust of our partners across the global value chain," a spokesman said.

The saga continues.

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https://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/p20-pro/?ic_medium=hwdc&ic_source=corp_banner1_p20pro10

What a waste of money.
 
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You do know P20 only released 5 months ago, right? It launched GLOBALLY at March 27, 2018, today being September 2 2018 and the article come out on Sept 1 2018. Which mean the P20 has been sold for 5 months and 4 days to be EXACT.

So what's wrong with "The phone has reach 10 millions mark Yesterday (which is 5 months and 3 days) and "The phone has sold for 5 months"

Are you really want to pick me up for that 3 days difference? Are you for real?

You do know 2017 was last year? Of course its 2018! You really need me to tell you what year it is? Are you for real?

Did that have anything to do with your post? No? So can we skip over these poor attempts to dodge the question, making up shit the other person never said? Lets get back to the question I asked and watch you trying to answer it:

Explain to us how
"Huawei at the IFA 2018 announced that it has sold 10 million units of P20 Pro and P20 smartphones globally in the first five months."
in that article, turned into
"According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)"
in your post, without resorting to another deflecting and projecting rant.
 
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You do know 2017 was last year? Of course its 2018! You really need me to tell you what year it is? Are you for real?

Did that have anything to do with your post? No? So can we skip over these poor attempts to dodge the question, making up shit the other person never said? Lets get back to the question I asked and watch you trying to answer it:

Explain to us how

in that article, turned into

in your post, without resorting to another deflecting and projecting rant.

Wow, P20 was sold in 2017? How? You go back in time and sell them? Or do you know the President of Huawei and you have access to P20 in 2017?

Do you even know which phone we are talking about? Or even what are we talking about? We are talking about P20 pro, not Mate 10, P20 and P20 Pro came out THIS YEAR in 2018.

Seems like you are the one who deflecting and projecting rants. LOL Such a BOLO lol

I don't know if all chinese are slow cooker?, but you seems like you needed me to recap what you said.

On IFA yesterday Huawei President said P20 and P20 Pro WAS SOLD FOR 10 MILLIONS UNIT IN THE FIRST 5 MONTHS (FROM March 27, 2018). I said they reaches 10 millions mark YESTERDAY.

Yesterday is the first 5 months, give or take 3 days. So let me ask you again, what is the frickin difference if I said they cross the 10 millions mark yesterday, which the phone was sold for 5 months and 3 days.

Okay, let's do it another way.

The news said P20 and P20 pro has sold 10 millions in the first 5 months. 5 months = 153 days.

Form the phone being publicly available to YESTERDAY (SEPT 1, 2018) is 157 days inclusive.

Now tell me what is the difference if I say The phone has 10 millions sold yesterday when the official news said it was for 5 months?
 
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Wow, P20 was sold in 2017? How? You go back in time and sell them? Or do you know the President of Huawei and you have access to P20 in 2017?

Do you even know which phone we are talking about? Or even what are we talking about? We are talking about P20 pro, not Mate 10, P20 and P20 Pro came out THIS YEAR in 2018.

Seems like you are the one who deflecting and projecting rants. LOL Such a BOLO lol
Good, wether you failed to comprehend the rethoric even when I literally spelled it out to you because you seem to be a slow one or pretend to be stupid, at least you can only agree that we shouldn't start talking completely random bullshit. We can skip over the rethoric either way.

Now lets get back to the question I actually asked and you never answered:

Explain to us how
"Huawei at the IFA 2018 announced that it has sold 10 million units of P20 Pro and P20 smartphones globally in the first five months."
in that article, turned into
"According to Huawei themselves, they just crossed 10 millions ship mark last night (which is about 6 to 7 months)"
in your post, without resorting to another deflecting and projecting rant.
 
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