Huawei P20 (899Euros) Released: 40 MP RGB camera, AI-driven photography system, and 4000 mAh battery

[TaiShang]

 

[Globenim]

Samsung S9 pre-order sale figure vs Huawei P20 First day opening sale figure

According to Yonhap, Samsung S9 shipped 180,000 hand set on the first day order on March 12 (or 11 if you are in EU/US timezone) Which represent $161 millions USD sale on the first day. Slower than the former flagship phone of Samsung S8 which have 260,000 unit ship the first day

http://www.androidbeat.com/2018/03/...sales-slower-than-galaxy-s8-launch-day-korea/

Again, all number quote above are pre-order figure, figure did not include the rest of the first day of sale.

According to Huawei, the P20 opening with 100 million Yuan sale (or 15 millions USD) for an unspecified amount of phone. However, you can roughly clear that P20 cost around $860 while P20 pro roughly $1140, so the mean average per phone is about $1000. Which translated to roughly 15,000 unit.

https://www.cnet.com/news/huawei-p20-15-million-in-sales-10-seconds/

I like how you managed to turn 10 seconds of P20 sales into the whole first day opening sales, when it says 10 seconds in the headline, 10 seconds in the first paragraph, 10 seconds in the second paragraph and even 10 seconds in your link.

I also like how you emphasize and reiterate that it's only pre-order figures and purport these figures are not even the complete first day sales, considering the article clearly says it was only available for pre-order customers , so there is no "rest".

As if comparing "Some news agency said according to unnamed industry sources Samsung sold X Samsung S9 units equivalent to $ Y on the first day trough 3 major Korean carriers trough preorders" apples with "Huawei announces sales of $ Y in the first 10 seconds on its e-commerce platform." oranges wasn't enough of a stretch.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

 

[jhungary]

I like how you managed to turn 10 seconds of P20 sales into the whole first day opening sales, when it says 10 seconds in the headline, 10 seconds in the first paragraph, 10 seconds in the second paragraph and even 10 seconds in your link.

I also like how you emphasize and reiterate that it's only pre-order figures and purport these figures are not even the complete first day sales, considering the article clearly says it was only available for pre-order customers , so there is no "rest".

As if comparing "Some news agency said according to unnamed industry sources Samsung sold X Samsung S9 units equivalent to $ Y on the first day trough 3 major Korean carriers trough preorders" apples with "Huawei announces sales of $ Y in the first 10 seconds on its e-commerce platform." oranges wasn't enough of a stretch.

It's 10 second with Huawei vs 0 second (Pre-order) with Samsung. I think I have written it very clear that Huawei is 10 Second and all sale quoted on Samsung are pre-order. Both discounted the rest of day sale. And you do know I am talking about March 11 pre-order, when the phone officially goes on market on March 12 (look at the time stamp of the article).

I would have imagine if Samsung do without the pre-order system, they would get similar number of order in the first few second as well. Probably that is the reason why its not doable if they do not have a pre-order sale, it will break their network.

So, it's only fair to compare the two, both are at pre-opening/opening stage. I think Samsung sold another 90,000 unit on the rest of the day when they release it on March 12 if memory serve me right, but Huawei refused to list the unit they ship, so I can't give you a number of Huawei until later.

 

[TaiShang]

华为P20

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[Globenim]

It's 10 second with Huawei vs 0 second (Pre-order) with Samsung. I think I have written it very clear that Huawei is 10 Second and all sale quoted on Samsung are pre-order. Both discounted the rest of day sale. And you do know I am talking about March 11 pre-order, when the phone officially goes on market on March 12 (look at the time stamp of the article).

I would have imagine if Samsung do without the pre-order system, they would get similar number of order in the first few second as well. Probably that is the reason why its not doable if they do not have a pre-order sale, it will break their network.

So, it's only fair to compare the two, both are at pre-opening/opening stage. I think Samsung sold another 90,000 unit on the rest of the day when they release it on March 12 if memory serve me right, but Huawei refused to list the unit they ship, so I can't give you a number of Huawei until later.

I like how you claim you have even "very clearly" written 10 seconds, when you havent written anything about 10 seconds at all and when instead you have clearly written I quote "Huawei P20 First day opening sale figure" and on the other end of your post dumped the source, that never had written anything about "first day" and was clearly writing first 10 seconds over and over again.

No, it's very clearly not "vs 0 seconds". It's first day sales, all 86400 seconds, the fact its pre-orders doesn't change that. Yes, you looked too late at the timestamp and rest of the article and we all know you fucked up, if you aren't just that disingenious.

No, the expression first ten second sales is not equivalent to first day sales just because both obviously happen on the first day, nor did it ever state anything that implies it's logically the same value. People here aren't half as dumb as you usually like to incline they are.

Neither of them discounted anything in any your sources. You brought that up out of nowhere. Huawei only said in the first 10 second they sold X in their e-shop. Unverified rumors say Samsung sold X on the first day trough its Korean carriers while it was made available only to pre-order customers.


So far it remains mindboggling retarded to compare the two figures.

No one cares what contradicting shit that may have never happend or happen, people with your attitude imagine or believe to remember.

 

[jhungary]

I like how you claim you have even "very clearly" written 10 seconds, when you havent written anything about 10 seconds at all and when instead you have clearly written I quote "Huawei P20 First day opening sale figure" and on the other end of your post dumped the source, that never had written anything about "first day" and was clearly writing first 10 seconds over and over again.

No, it's very clearly not "vs 0 seconds". It's first day sales, all 86400 seconds, the fact its pre-orders doesn't change that. Yes, you looked too late at the timestamp and rest of the article and we all know you fucked up, if you aren't just that disingenious.

No, the expression first ten second sales is not equivalent to first day sales just because both obviously happen on the first day, nor did it ever state anything that implies it's logically the same value. People here aren't half as dumb as you usually like to incline they are.

Neither of them discounted anything in any your sources. You brought that up out of nowhere. Huawei only said in the first 10 second they sold X in their e-shop. Unverified rumors say Samsung sold X on the first day trough its Korean carriers while it was made available only to pre-order customers.


So far it remains mindboggling retarded to compare the two figures.

No one cares what contradicting shit that may have never happend or happen, people with your attitude imagine or believe to remember.

Pre-order is NOT first day sale, no matter how you spin it. Pre-order is pre-order, first day sale is first day sale. P20 could have his own Pre-Order sale, they don't have it, that's their business.

The figure is the nearest we can compare, because Samsung would have probably the same amount (180,000 unit) sale in the first 10 second if they did not have a pre-order sale, but again, if they didn't, highly likely they won't be able to handle the volume of people who want the phone when they release. They sole some 86000 unit on the first day. So, in all, they sold some 260000 handset on the first day.

Again, if you don't like the source, talk to the source itself, I am just quoting what these people say, did I deceive you? Nope. I clearly state all the parameter. Now, I cannot vouch for either Yonhap and Huawei own website authenticity.

And no, I did not just said "First day sale" I said "First day opening sale", implying they are the item sale in the first moment. I cannot be accountable for what you might have or might not have read.

You can again, free to resort to personal attack and go around calling people dumb, if you want to win an argument that way. Ha

 

[Globenim]

did I deceive you?

Ha

As everyone can see, obviously not. Nor will anyone else, now that they are reminded to double check your so called "just quoting" and warry of the "can imagine"'s and "probably"'s now littering your excuses.
Always a pleasure to debunk your lies and spins. Ho

 

[jhungary]

As everyone can see, obviously not. Nor will anyone else, now that they are reminded to double check your so called "just quoting" and warry of the "can imagine"'s and "probably"'s now littering your excuses.
Always a pleasure to debunk your lies and spins. Ho

lol, whatever you say...

I have said my piece, how people take my word is up to the individual.

And you think you are more creditable is laughable lol......Ha look at your rating and look at mine.

You better stick with insulting people, that's probably the only thing you are more "Creditable" than I am.

 

[seesonic]

lol, whatever you say...

I have said my piece, how people take my word is up to the individual.

And you think you are more creditable is laughable lol......Ha look at your rating and look at mine.

You better stick with insulting people, that's probably the only thing you are more "Creditable" than I am.

Would u mind sticking with your features and bug fixing?

 

[kuge]

summary:
Huawei's internal information regarding developing network tech to spy on public, to prevent mass gatherings (for fear of suspicious political upheaval against the Party whom Huawei is complying to....)


华为公司内部资料:开发间谍技术监控中国民众/革命前夜
(博讯北京时间2018年4月29日 首发 - 支持此文作者/记者)
作者：革命前夜


这里公开一份华为公司2015年的内部保密资料，《VCM操作指南》。VCM是视频内容管理（Video Content Management）的简称，该资料在华为官网上只对华为VCM用户提供下载（注:华为VCM系统唯一的用户是中共公安部门），是用来培训中共网警（图侦警）的。

简单来说，华为的VCM就是对监控视频内容进行实时分析处理并报警，是中共公安的金盾工程和大数据的一部分，属于高端人工智能图像识别应用。中共网警使用这种监控系统可以严密监控中国老百姓，大大提高监控效率。仔细读过这份资料的人，丝毫不会怀疑华为在中共维稳工程里扮演的角色。现将该系统的主要功能介绍如下，

1，GIS地图上一个城市区域内的多个摄像头记录数据的采集。
2，监控视频资料的后期分析处理。
3，可在GIS地图上选定一个城市范围内的多个摄像头，构建一个虚拟摄像头组，轻松完成对某特定目标或车辆的跟踪。
4，人脸和车辆及拍照自动识别，黑名单功能，摄像头发现进入监控区域的对象即自动报警。
5，人工智能分析功能
越线检测: 摄像头一旦发现行人越过某条预先设定的某条虚拟线即报警。
目标大小识别：可设定监控的最大目标和最小目标。
面积计算：自动计算监控区域面积和监控目标面积。
人群密度检测：估算监控区域内人群密度，检测人头数量。
周界入侵检测：可设定任意形状的虚拟监控区域，一旦目标闯入即报警。
物品移走检测：一旦发现行人携带体积超过一定大小的物品（如电视机）即报警。
运动方向检测：设定单一允许运动方向，一旦目标逆行即报警。
徘徊检测：可设定监控区域，如发现有行人在监控区域内逗留时间过长或来回走动，系统即报警。

使用监控摄像头维护社会治安本是正常的，但我们不禁要问，对民众的监控是否有必要做到如此刁钻的程度？像居民携带物品的大小，行人走路的快慢，街上行人的数量等等现在都被纳入中共警方大数据监控范围，如果行人背的包稍大一点，走路稍微慢一点、在路上散步，参加聚会的人数稍微多一点，都可能成为犯罪嫌疑对象。中共警方这样搞，主要目的恐怕不是预防犯罪，而是维护政权稳定。这种做法严重侵犯了公民的人权和隐私权！华为已沦为中共专制的帮凶！

关于人脸识别功能，数据里有提到但一笔带过，说明2014年华为就开始研发人脸识别技术。据2018年初的消息，中国现在在人脸识别方面已经很成熟了。

这种人工智能监控技术是民用的，但经过升级以后，在军事上也有重要应用，如战场上监控周边环境、对敌方目标的自动识别等，而导弹上如果装有这种自动识别技术，可以对美国军舰目标进行实时识别判断和自动追踪。一旦这种技术开发成功，将对美国造成巨大威胁。军用不同于民用的地方是民用监控是对慢速目标的识别，而军用要求在高速运动中对目标进行识别，需要更快的计算速度，更大的计算量，因此需要高速图形处理和高端FPGA芯片。

从华为与中共警方的合作可以判断，华为并非是一家单纯的通讯公司，而是被中共完全控制的、可以在中共的要求下研发任何技术的技术支持公司，它当然也会为中共军方开发类似的技术。像华为这种规模的公司，具有很强的技术研发实力，一旦成为超级公司后将很难控制。建议美国对华为也应全面禁售高端芯片，即使做不到，也要限制华为的采购规模，不要让它的营业额超过一定的数额，否则后果以后不堪设想。

资料是25MB的PDF文件，有一百多页。下载地址：（点击这里）

有途径的读者可以将这份数据转交给美国政府部门，看是否对调查华为违规方面有帮助。

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[j20blackdragon]

I return to this thread a few months later. It is August 31, 2018 today.

First of all Kirin 980 is NOT YET IN PRODUCTION, how do they get a CPU to benchmark it 2 months ago and before it even went into production is beyond me (Kirin 980 is "RUMORED" to be produced in this quarter), maybe the Antutu guys are alien from the future?

Second of all, there are no Mate 20. That's either Mate 10 or P20 Pro.

And no it is impossible to have it coming in fall 2018 as industry wide report in April 2018 stating the earliest 7nm Chips is going to release next year in Q1 2019. And also, if they were to release mate 20 this fall, which make the 10 months old Mate 10 obsolete, even the stupidest company with the stupidest marketing strategy would not shoot themselves in the foot like this....

To begin with, every major SOC vendor stated the EARLIEST availability of their 7NM SoC is on Q1 2019.

Kirin 980 officially announced. World's 1st 7nm SoC.

Snapdragon 845 blown out of the water.

Increase in transistor count.

Huawei's in-house modem. Qualcomm not needed.

5G modem Balong 5000. Qualcomm not needed.

Mate 20, coming October 16, 2018. This fall.

 

[Beny Karachun]

I return to this thread a few months later. It is August 31, 2018 today.








Kirin 980 officially announced. World's 1st 7nm SoC.
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Snapdragon 845 blown out of the water.
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Increase in transistor count.
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Huawei's in-house modem. Qualcomm not needed.
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5G modem Balong 5000. Qualcomm not needed.
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Mate 20, coming October 16, 2018. This fall.
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That Mate 20 picture in the end gets me excited I'll give you that.
Let's see what I will get next year, Mate 20 or the S10?

 

[j20blackdragon]

That Mate 20 picture in the end gets me excited I'll give you that.
Let's see what I will get next year, Mate 20 or the S10?

Who cares what you do next year? Let's talk about THIS YEAR.

The Samsung Galaxy Note 9 is basically dead on arrival. Who the hell is going to buy that when you can wait a few months and get Huawei Mate 20 with triple camera system and Kirin 980?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Who cares what you do next year? Let's talk about THIS YEAR.

The Samsung Galaxy Note 9 is basically dead on arrival. Who the hell is going to buy that when you can wait a few months and get Huawei Mate 20 with triple camera system and Kirin 980?

I'll wait for the S-10 and then decide which to buy
The Note 9's main selling point is the S-Pen, if you don't need it buy the S9 Plus.
The S-Pen is enough to justify buying the Note 9 for some people, even if there are other options that are better overall as a phone.