you fail to understand the significance of the post because as i said what i was pointing out was the historical parity part which you replied that whenever there were any significant purchase from the other side pakistan responded with a counter but now you say
Its not me who is failing to understand, its you who is. As in my last post, i specifically highlighted in bold the
offensive part, meaning offensive weapon systems, not everything. There is a difference between significant and offensive or in our view critical weapon systems which can affect a war.
nuclear sub is not needed as pakistan has first strike option yet you say you are fighting a defensive war people fighting a defence war dosent use first nuclear strike i think nuclear attack is an offensive weapon in itself but where is the pakistani response to the indian order you said pakistan always responds now when there is no response you are saying you dont need it . yet true pakistan dosent need nuclear sub as you said but that does not mean that the weapon will be a big boost to the enemy.
In defensive war doctrine in this scenario, one adversary is weak and the other is powerful just like in case of India and Pakistan, nuclear first strike is a valid and sound option in this scenario, so that the strong party knows the other one will not hesitate to use its nukes in case something catastrophic event happens on the conventional front. As India has more aggressor strategy then Pakistan. And there is no link between a defensive war strategy and a nuclear strike options. Nuclear strike options are the platforms through which nukes can be delivered, and Pakistan has land based platforms as well as air delivered ones. The only plus point in nuclear submarine I see is its endurance, as far as its capability to launch nukes, well that a conventional diesel electric sub can also do. We have a small shoreline and have to keep our sea lanes open, for that, 7-10 good conventional subs are more then enough, with capability to launch cruise missiles, conventional or nuke tipped both. Indian nuke subs would be more helpful in countering the Chinese, not Pakistan. So not required, rather get some good AIP equipped conventional subs which can keep Indian ships at a safe distance from the shore line.
again you are saying the transport aircrafts are not offensive and does not concern pakistan how is that because these new generation of systems will give a massive bosst to the capabilities of the enemy during the event of conflict
safe guarding the logistics supply is aim and the party with better logistics will hold the edge in that field where is the parity going. so you think other planes like globemaster wont affect as its a transport are you serious it will give a very good option for quick mobilization of heavy armaments isnt this a significant capability in the conflict
the faster you are able to deploy and move out your systems the better chances you have to overcome these weapons are not just replacements they are new capabilities think indian -pakistan both getting air to air refullers isnt this as important as any other big fighter plane yo buy so i cannot buy your argument that it wont be effective
What boost in Pakistan's context ?? Already Indian Army is nearly fully deployed at Pakistan border. 100% armor formations at the border, 100% artillery at the border, troops deployed there, strike formations within few hours length from the border, majority of the air force at Pakistan specific air bases what else is Indian gonna move up to the border with these globe masters, check the reality.
And India has air refueling tankers for a long time, if we had badly needed them, we would have gotten them way back. But we got the chance and had money, so we went for it. Plus they are not just refueling jets, they are transport planes too, thus they are gonna help us in both ways.
about MIG29K calculate why india needs 45 migs for an aircraft carrier
the indian AC will have indian fighters in development the gorshkov cannot carry 45 migs the navy is going for a big air wing and division where is the counter to this signed by pakistan
What role the Indian air craft carrier played during the previous wars ?? No where near Pakistan, as said the land based air assets are more then enough from Indian side to attack Pakistan, sending carrier would be inviting more trouble as it gets tied up with many naval ships as its escort and vulnerable to attacks by subs. And as said, the future induction of fighters are gonna take the IAF and IN air wing together.
as you again said the F-16 and FC20 is an old deal its just implemented now with results whats the future deals all the indian deals are futuristic to which pakistan has not ordered any parity
You are not making any sense. What futuristic deals are you talking about ?? Pak FA has more then a decade to get inducted. MMRCA, well i hope i don't have to say what is happening on that thing. LCA Tejas, not worth to be said anything about that. As said FC-20 is being made late to get it into a shape where it is able to take on the Indian MKIs and any future MMRCA fighter.
about the f-16 do you think that the F-16 and 40 odd FC20 will be parity for MRCA , and new su30 while jf-17 will replace older jets but so will india with their LCA the parity is very uneven all these planes are very good but numerical and technological superiority is bad till the last decade india had numerical superiority but both the nations were technologically on the same platform while these new purchases will put india ahead technologically in many areas and capabilities when implemented 5-10 years fro now and for that pakistan is yet to give an answer in the same language
Pakistan will give the answer in the same terms, and who said 40 odd
FC-20s are gonna come ?? India has always enjoyed numerical air superiority, so what's the big deal ?? The only thing we have to worry for now is MKIs, for that F-16s and then FC-20s would be there. Even if 250MKIs are there by 2015, there would be 100+ F-16s and FC-20s to counter them, that has been practice of the past also, India always enjoying superiority in the 2:1 ratio or even more. No big deal, we can counter India. MMRCA, well give me a break, first select it, then talk about it.
india buys refullers pakistan gets ...
india orders awacs pakistan gets...
india orders su30 pakistan buys f-16...
india gets nuclear sub ...... no answer ( not needed as you say )
india gets new aircraft carriers and new naval wing planes pakistan no answer.....( not needed as you say )
air tankers cum transport planes, and not in response to India.
AWAC is an offensive weapon.
F-16s are there since 80s, its logical that new ones would be gotten when given opportunity, whether MKIs had been inducted or not, as we love F-16s and they are superb battle tested platforms.
Nuke subs, well why not get 2 or more conventional subs with AIP system in the price of 1 nuke sub, which can fire AShM as well as conventional warhead equipped or nuke tipped warheads and give IN a headache. 2 subs with such capability are much more useful compared to one nuclear sub, reason being we do not have ambitions to become a blue water navy to go on long route missions. We are a defensive navy, which has to protect its sea shore and mount offensive when given the chance.
Why get carriers, when in its price, we can have diesel electric AIP mounted subs, which can wreck havoc on the carriers if they came close, or why not work on carrier killer kind of programs. And as for air wing, why answer in the same way, why not get LR-SAM with 200Km and make sure these Mig-29s don't come near.
Buddy, carriers are for navies who want blue water navy status and want to go global, we have no such desires. Our missiles can cover majority of India, subs can take on carriers or keep them far away, and the only threat if they are faraway would be their air wing, which can be dealt with LR-SAM and fighter Sqds who can take them on.
very good then going by your answer then i see people here jumping up and down when india gets new weapons and what must pakistan get in response they talk about F-35, AESA, NUCLEAR SUB why then if its not needed why do people keep on speculating about these techs and how they want it pakistan may very well say ok let india get AESA we dont need let india get nuclear sub we dont need let india get new nnaval capabilities we dont need yes true you dont need now but later when when the effects of these weapons will show then the historical parity that you spoke about would be unmatched .....
Ask those who speculate. Its their choice, they want to have imaginations and love to see weapon systems. But those who thing logically and with objectively, they will think and talk about those weapons which will really help. And we know what weapons we need, and that is exactly what the guys in the armed forces are doing, as for the forum people who like imagination, let them do it, it makes them happy. Keep the discussion to the real serious ones.
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