How US-China cold war will transform Pakistan

[Stryker1982]

Pakistan is in such a interesting predicament at the moment. First, It wants to keep good relations with the U.S but understand's China is a neighboring state and is more vital for economic and military/security reasons.

With the U.S probably taking a more anti-china stance than ever before, the U.S wants to build a stronger network of allies to counter and contain china in the region. Encouraging Japan to militarize once more is a strong bulwark against that, using Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam and South Korea to achieve this goal is something they have been doing already but the U.S hasn't pressured these countries to highly to militarize themselves as they rely on U.S protection. But that is just the West, the U.S shifting focus towards India is a major step at isolating China from American consumerism. The biggest customer for China are Americans, and exporting the product and manufacturing to India is a way to destroy China's customer base.

Pakistan is an important ally to China and so it will be difficult for the U.S to be able to pull India and Pakistan together against China and their isn't much incentive for Pakistan to do so either. I believe the U.S and China will eventually force Pakistan into taking sides on which relation it would like to expand as the other will inevitably decline. Pakistan is in a tough spot here.

 

[dbc]

It's never a good idea to take the piss out of a sincere friend because you think they need you at a particular time..
You never know when you might need them more.
That is the mistake the Americans made with Pakistan.
Pakistan should never make the same mistake with China.

Pakistani's are emotional people, but unfortunately neither the Chinese nor the Americans really give a damn about Pakistan.
They will engage and sustain the engagement while they profit from the relationship.

 

[Longhorn]

Pakistani's are emotional people, but unfortunately neither the Chinese nor the Americans really give a damn about Pakistan.
They will engage and sustain the engagement while they profit from the relationship.

Chinese geopolitical considerations are what compels the Chinese to give a damn about Pakistan.
We are neighbours in a hostile world.
Our relationship is based on mutual interests and needs, nothing to do with emotion on either side.
This is likely to continue indefinitely.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistani's are emotional people, but unfortunately neither the Chinese nor the Americans really give a damn about Pakistan.
They will engage and sustain the engagement while they profit from the relationship.

I love it how Americans always hand out verdicts on other nations. Pakistanis are emotional people. Pakistanis are terrorists. Pakistanis are conspiracy theorists. Pakistanis are liars. Pakistanis are this and that. Your arrogance has been your downfall and it will continue to be your Achilles heel.

You are obviously very mistaken about China. You are correct about one thing though. The US does not give a crap about Pakistan and unfortunately we have found out the hard way. China however has every reason to have a healthy relationship with Pakistan. Their actions match their words. The US deep state is envious and would love to create a wedge between both. It won't happen.

The American deep state is going to find out as it already has that treachery and double games won't get them very far. Pakistan is going to frustrate the US deep state. This is how it is going to be.

 

[MayaBazar]

Pakistanis have good judgement and always bet on the right horse all the time.

They bet on the British during freedom struggle, on the US during cold war and on China now during COVID war.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Pakistanis have good judgement and always bet on the right horse all the time.

They bet on the British during freedom struggle, on the US during cold war and on China now during COVID war.

This is where you are wrong, Its always who Pakistani side with becomes victorious.

Like you said, it always cant be a coincidence.

 

[MayaBazar]

This is where you are wrong, Its always who Pakistani side with becomes victorious.

Like you said, it always cant be a coincidence.

May be you are right here.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan is in such a interesting predicament at the moment. First, It wants to keep good relations with the U.S but understand's China is a neighboring state and is more vital for economic and military/security reasons.

With the U.S probably taking a more anti-china stance than ever before, the U.S wants to build a stronger network of allies to counter and contain china in the region. Encouraging Japan to militarize once more is a strong bulwark against that, using Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam and South Korea to achieve this goal is something they have been doing already but the U.S hasn't pressured these countries to highly to militarize themselves as they rely on U.S protection. But that is just the West, the U.S shifting focus towards India is a major step at isolating China from American consumerism. The biggest customer for China are Americans, and exporting the product and manufacturing to India is a way to destroy China's customer base.

Pakistan is an important ally to China and so it will be difficult for the U.S to be able to pull India and Pakistan together against China and their isn't much incentive for Pakistan to do so either. I believe the U.S and China will eventually force Pakistan into taking sides on which relation it would like to expand as the other will inevitably decline. Pakistan is in a tough spot here.

There is no predicament for Pakistan. It is straightforward. Pakistan won't bash China because some countries want us to do so. Pakistan will put its interests first. Our interests dictate that we have excellent relations with China. Period.

The US and India cannot demand anything from Pakistan. Pakistan being a sovereign nation will decide its own course. We understand that US and India are agitated by Pakistan's decision, but they cannot dictate to Pakistan what it can and cannot do.

 

[dbc]

I love it how Americans always hand out verdicts on other nations. Pakistanis are emotional people. Pakistanis are terrorists. Pakistanis are conspiracy theorists. Pakistanis are liars. Pakistanis are this and that. Your arrogance has been your downfall and it will continue to be your Achilles heel.

You are obviously very mistaken about China. You are correct about one thing though. The US does not give a crap about Pakistan and unfortunately we have found out the hard way. China however has every reason to have a healthy relationship with Pakistan. Their actions match their words. The US deep state is envious and would love to create a wedge between both. It won't happen.

The American deep state is going to find out as it already has that treachery and double games won't get them very far. Pakistan is going to frustrate the US deep state. This is how it is going to be.

Pakistan can’t frustrate the ‘deep state’ as long as there are people within that put their self interest over the nations interest. You want proof just read your history books.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan can’t frustrate the ‘deep state’ as long as there are people within that put their self interest over the nations interest. You want proof just read your history books.

If we weren't frustrating the deep state US officials would not be pleading openly to both China and Pakistan to halt cooperation on various levels.

We know who these people are that are putting self interest above the interest of the nation. They are a handful and are being dealt with accordingly. Some are being airlifted to your country and some have fled. I am perfectly fine with the idea that US provides refuge to such persona non grata. It is good riddance.

 

[dbc]

If we weren't frustrating the deep state US officials would not be pleading openly to both China and Pakistan to halt their cooperation on various levels.

We know who these people are that are putting self interest above the interest of the nation. They are a handful and are being dealt with accordingly. Some are being airlifted to your country and some have fled. I am perfectly fine with the idea that US provides refuge to such persona non grata. It is good riddance.

You miss the forest for the trees. let’s us conclude by saying whatever Pakistan decides, let us hope it is always in her best interest.

 

[Dalit]

You miss the forest for the trees. let’s us conclude by saying whatever Pakistan decides, let us hope it is always in her best interest.

We already did. CPEC and military cooperation between Pakistan and China is as clear as it gets. I don't know what else Pakistan can do to demonstrate and convince you that it is very serious in safeguarding its interests.

 

[khansaheeb]

There is no push to pick sides as Pakistan sided with China over a decade ago when US unfairly sanctioned the F16s and imposed an embargo on Pakistan after the Nuke tests. US is interfering in Pakistan on India's behest and for all intent and purposes is out of the equation in Pakistan and the US only have themselves to blame. The US left themselves out of the CPEC party and are now trying to gate crash. Washington was an untrustworthy ally hijacked by Israeli policy and it's perfidy was plain for all to see. The use and dispose attitude towards Pakistan caused major discontent in Pakistan and caused a major reappraisal of strategy and policy leading to a full tilt into the China camp who have always sincerely supported Pakistan. Pakistan is in the China camp 100% and there is no way out. Our defense and economy is interlinked and Pakistan has taken it's new position in the New world order.

 

[dbc]

We already did. CPEC and military cooperation with China is as clear as it gets.

Of course CPEC... 62 Billion USD of Chinese Capital. Surely all that money has had a significant impact on your GDP, unemployment and such over the last few years. Iron brothers indeed

 

[Dalit]

Of course CPEC... 62 Billion USD of Chinese Capital. Surely all that money has had a significant impact on your GDP, unemployment and such over the last few years. Iron brothers indeed

It is certainly much better than drone strikes, Salala massacre, wild accusations and Raymond Davis killing random Pakistanis.

The irony is that even whilst you are involved in knee-jerk reactions you are basically mimicking the very same thing your officials do on a daily basis. Convince Pakistanis how evil China is LOL It is pathetic. I told you. We are going frustrate you.