How Tough is China’s Mission to Fight Terrorism

[oceanx]

turkey is a US slave, supports islamic extremism, yet is an ally of ISRAEL. what the hell is that? a country with no industrial base, using its cozy relationship with the top dog gangsters of the region, to attack others..

There is clearly more emotion than truth to your rant above. You should get an understanding of the Kemalist beginning of the modern republican, nationalist Turkey. However, having said that, there is some evidence that things are changing in Turkey.

The "white turks" no longer hold indisputable sway in everything that matters. Whether this bodes "good" or "ill" only time will tell.

so it does not surprise me that turkey tows the US line.

You may be forced to "eat your words" when in the not so distant future Turkey and Brazille cast vetos over Iran's sanction while the PRC either approves reluctantly or acquiesces...

in fact, you are correct - the whole "pan turkish" affair is ridiculous and american manufactured, since real pan turkish affairs would include Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, who all speak turkish languages.

Kazakhstan? It is not clear to me whether Kazakhstan is a part of "Oghuz" - someone should probably clarify that for me. Besides, Turkey is probably not crazy enough to want a war with Russia right now or in the forseeable future.

Anyhow, pan-turkism is a rare stone that can tackle three birds if fired in the right direction (Iran, Russia, and China ...) And you are probably right that some in Uncle's camp have long desired to put it in the sling but haven't figured out how (why do you think Russia fought tooth and nail in Chechnya?)

That's why as a lay person, I can not dismiss the possibility of existence of the so-called "Bernard Lewis" project pertaining to Iran,etc ...

But my point is, among these "three birds", the PRC is the least threatened by a long shot? So why get worked up for nothing when you can work with someone for something if you keep your sights clear?

But you are wrong, in that Uighurs are given affirmative action. in fact, if they were to be treated equally as ohter citizens, i doubt even 1 could get into a university.

I am aware of the existence of affirmative action measures. But there is no need for emotional over-the-top statements that detract from your arguments, my friend.

 

[IMADreamer]

Is India going to eradicate Maosim by carpet bombing tribal areas?

Just my 2 cents

when did it happed????....

 

[no_name]

Of course it's important. But what about this kind of terrorism? And the healthcare terrorism of "manufacturing" fake vaccines and the genuine food terrorism of baking with industrial oil?

The key is not to lose perspective. The #1 threat to China is still the lack of cohesion from within. And the reason the country lacks cohesion is because it has for too long forsaken "ideology" by clinging to the mantra of "black cat, white cat" pramatism.

You don't create a conscience or unite a people by being endlessly pragmatic, IMHO. But that's a separate, but related topic for another time.

The day when the CCP decided that the face-project of Olympics was more "worth-while" than ordinary Uighur Chinese' rights to stay in a hotel in Shanghai or Beijing was the day that the damn CCP chose terrorism over the people.

And needless to say, their face-project was more important than the kidneys of who knows how many new-borns ...

Now I hope this "anti-terrorism" posture is not a "face-project", a "diversion-from-the-real-issue" project. Time will tell.

I think they are aware of that. Isn't Mr Hu always talking about a harmonious society and 8 types of virtue conduct?

I think the previous guys in power were focusing too much on hard growth.

I actually prefer CCP drop the communist word and rename their party by other name.

maybe china party? lol

 

[topjumper]

Hehehe, there is definitely nothing communist about the ccp, even itself has acknowledged that communism is just a distinct ideology and in the mean time it strives to go down the route of "socialism with chinese characters", essentially a one party ruled, planned market economy. How much "planned" and how much "marketed" depends on the industry and its ever adapting policies, but I don't think the ccp will drop that communist name any time soon, the leaders are way too conservative for that - it'll be seen as formally abandoning its "route"!

What you are suggesting essentially is the ccp "re-packaging" and "re-marketing" itself for a more positive perception to the rest of the world, that I definitely agree. The prc has managed to grow in a large extend without too much care about its image to the rest of the world by resisting foreign pressures, information censoring etc, but as it grows larger and gradually takes on a more influencing role on the international stage, those tactics is getting less effective and it needs to pay more attention to the PR game. The power of a good PR cannot be ignored, look at Obama -- he gets a nobel prize for essentially doing more talking than actions. China needs to perfect its spin skills ;-)

 

[below_freezing]

good PR comes from guns and cash.

would Obama have gotten the nobel peace prize if the US was still a collection of 13 impoverished british colonies?

would Obama have gotten it if he said the exact same thing as the president of Kenya?

no way.

so if one day china exhibits the dominance that the US currently has, the positive propaganda will come naturally.

one man with a grenade threatens public security.
one million men with nuclear missiles are a safeguard of world peace.

 

[topjumper]

good PR comes from guns and cash.

would Obama have gotten the nobel peace prize if the US was still a collection of 13 impoverished british colonies?

would Obama have gotten it if he said the exact same thing as the president of Kenya?

no way.

so if one day china exhibits the dominance that the US currently has, the positive propaganda will come naturally.

one man with a grenade threatens public security.
one million men with nuclear missiles are a safeguard of world peace.

lol... that's very funny and true at the same time.

I guess what I'm trying to advocate is that a positive PR should not be seen as a "if/then" logical step, if China becomes more dominant, then positive PR will come, it should be developed hand in hand as the country grows, and right now our international image is not in the same step as our country's capability.

Too often you hear people from outside China expressing views as if Chinese people are living in hell on earth, while there are many problems with the current Chinese society but every country has its own problems. China has more to show than to hide, some marketing and taking measures to encourage people to see the good/bad side of China by themselves should be a helpful move in addressing these issues.

 

[applesauce]

lol... that's very funny and true at the same time.

I guess what I'm trying to advocate is that a positive PR should not be seen as a "if/then" logical step, if China becomes more dominant, then positive PR will come, it should be developed hand in hand as the country grows, and right now our international image is not in the same step as our country's capability.

Too often you hear people from outside China expressing views as if Chinese people are living in hell on earth, while there are many problems with the current Chinese society but every country has its own problems. China has more to show than to hide, some marketing and taking measures to encourage people to see the good/bad side of China by themselves should be a helpful move in addressing these issues.

i agree with working a good pr along with growing capabilities but with the amount of china bashing around it is very ddifficult

also
"one man with a grenade threatens public security.
one million men with nuclear missiles are a safeguard of world peace."

is going on my wall

 

[no_name]

one man with a grenade threatens public security.
one million men with nuclear missiles are a safeguard of world peace.

I've heard variations of that phrase before.

If we build one carrier the world is concerned with our agressive stance.
If we have 20 carriers we are a responsible keeper of peace and stability.

 

[no_name]

But truely courageous people are few. Most of the people in this world just go with the flow of big shots because they are not confident enough of themselves to stand up and make their own name

 

[Arik]

Lets be clear abt one thing here,what kind of terrorists r we discussing .
Dreaded organizations like th Al-Qaeda or chinese citizens who disobey or raise their voice against the government.

 

[topjumper]

Lets be clear abt one thing here,what kind of terrorists r we discussing .
Dreaded organizations like th Al-Qaeda or chinese citizens who disobey or raise their voice against the government.

And what's your opinion? Is it really so different between an Al-Qaeda holding a grenade with the intention of blowing up civilians and an unsatisfied citizen holding a grenade with the intention of blowing up civilians?? If they both blindly follow their own beliefs with disregard of other people's lives, then do you want to brand one as a terrorist and the other as a civil rights hero?

 

[below_freezing]

yes of course there's a distinction:

the angry citizen is just killing chinese ppl, so whites don't really care.
but big bad alqaeda, he kills white ppl. that's a big nono.

 

[no_name]

yes of course there's a distinction:

the angry citizen is just killing chinese ppl, so whites don't really care.
but big bad alqaeda, he kills white ppl. that's a big nono.

I have to say that's true to some degree.

 

[oceanx]

PRC doesn't ban the head scarf - but should the day come if it so chooses (very, very, very unlikely), then sure the heck it will be known as just another day in routine tyranny.

But in northern Belgium where fuzzy and cuddly schools full of children singing and dancing beautiful Kumbaya in United Benetton colour have in fact banned head scarves - we all know it as just another benevolent gesture to "uphold secular values"!

However, the dude with Belgian colour does make a point that can't be entirely dismissed ...

 

[mDumb]

<Your grasp of strategic situations is quite laudable. However, the logic of your last paragraph is suspect. Sending troops across the border is to me worse than taking a hit by terrorists (of course, it depends on the magnitude of the hit).

Look at Israel, did rockets from Gaza stop after their "War on Gaza"?

Is India going to eradicate Maosim by carpet bombing tribal areas?

Different threats call for different responses.

Just my 2 cents>

Your point is excellent. However, for every action you must consider cost and benefit.

If the cost of not taking an action is greater than taking an action then the decision is obvious.

Of course, the usual protocol is for PRC to consult the SCO, Afghanistan, and Pakistan before sending its military machines across the border.

But in fighting terrorism, the US believes in preemptive strikes. I guess if you are a big power you can afford preemptive strikes. And China is another big power.

The last time China sent its military machines across the border was on 1979.

<Turkey is a natural enemy of Turkey?> Interesting statement there. Hmm, this could be true?

Mongolian, Japanese, Manchurian, and Korean languages are Turkic.