How to sink an AirCraft Carrier

[UchihaCG]

Submarines would be the best short.
I doubt an aircraft could fly over and bomb an Aircraft carrier (unless it's the F-22 )

 

[UchihaCG]

I beleive Viraat would be retired when russian AC gets inducted . So effectively it would still be just one carrier .

Yes, give or take a couple years..... Viraat is expected to be in service till over 2015. Just came back from a refit.

By 2020 India: 3 Air Carriers
- 2 Vikrants
- Vikramaditya

And we hope for the HMS Queen Elizabeth class........

 

[gambit]

Forget about using nuclear weapons, unless you want to receive retaliation in kind, except that it will not be against your navy.

 

[antartica]

Did anyone suggested nukes for destroying a navy vessel .

That would be like using a rocket to kill a mosquito ....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Did anyone suggested nukes for destroying a navy vessel .

That would be like using a rocket to kill a mosquito ....

But it would make beutiful , water splash .........effect ..... and pretty rainbow

 

[antartica]

^^^^^
You advise using nukes because it looks soothing to eyes . I mean for fun ?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

No idea but if you have seen movie pearl harbour,then there you have seen carriers sanks by Aircrafts bombing.so i think Aircrafts are the only way to sink them.

Those were the 'Good old days' my dear
Have u got any Idea, what systems are there in an A/C carrier
Carriers have ECM(Electronic Counter Measures) along with chaff & flares. If all else fails they use SAMs & AAA(including the Close-In Weapons System as a last line of defense).
Then Anti Submarine & anti Ship capabilities & don't forget Carrier won't be alone, it will have escort Ships as well...
I know US can deploy 5 CBG's at same time, but now just one CBG

1 CSG traditionally consists of:
- 1 nuclear aircraft carrier (Crew Approx 5500)
- 2 guided missile cruisers (approx. 200 each)
- 1 destroyer (approx. 200)
- 1 guided missile destroyer (approx. 200)
- 1 AEGIS cruiser (approx. 1200)
- 1 frigate
- 2 SSN's
- support ships (ammunition, oiler, and supply ship)

 

[zagahaga]

takeing out a air craft carrier hmmmmmm ..... uasually ac have 6 to 8 defences for example 4 destroyers and 4 anti sub frigets and possibly 1 submerine or 2 .... depending on the mission... for pakistan vs india it should be on pakistan favouir if we have a long range radar to help guide a land based long range version of babur about 2000 km or 3000km which we wont see in the next 10 plus years ..... but if a AC comes and blocks us in the near future the babur can take it out eaisly probly you might launch 20 at one time but be expecting a simlar responce

 

[antartica]

Well , I may not agree with this . I believe missiles work on GPS and attack a pre-determined target . So , it may not be effective when the target is moving constantly .

 

[TaimiKhan]

^^^ I agree with PATRIOT.We should fire missile from under sea.Sir taimi what you have to say about this.?

Well i would still be sticking to my gun, multi weapon multi platform simultaneous coordinated attack. Submarines are the best option as they can sneak pretty close compared to air assets, so either multi submarine attack, like the WW2 U-boats Wolf Packs thing, or different assets at the same time.

Nukes are not advisable but to be kept as a last resort.

 

[abbasniazi]

By 2020, I see India being the second largest AC operator in the world and believe me india won't stop after these 4 ACs.

India will only lag behind in the field of Submarines and will not be able to catch up china or USA by 2050.

 

[Naradmuni]

Well , I may not agree with this . I believe missiles work on GPS and attack a pre-determined target . So , it may not be effective when the target is moving constantly .

You are mistaken here. Missiles can very well hit moving targets as well. Missile equipped with thermal sensors and other advanced systems can do this job. Brahmos cruise missile, Indias missile defence shield AAD and PAD are equipped with such fire and forget technology.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I suggest we , take a tug boat , and then tug , a GIGANTIC iceburg from Antartica

If it sank the Tinatic , I am sure it will bring down a Carier

 

[Dawkins]

Interesting discussion folks .. reminds me of the battle of midway, the biggest (possibly only) battle between aircraft carriers (3 USA vs 4 Japan). Things were so different then, US Navy had radars and the Imperial Navy did not. Along with that, the larger scale of patrolling, the decyrption of japanese communications & the ability to repair & recover fast ensured the battle was won by the Americans.

Any idea how credible this is :

https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp

 

[DaRk WaVe]

It is very easy to answer your question. We need this example of Silent Hunter- GOTLAND SUBMARINE (Sweden) to sink Aircraft carrier (US Navy unable to locate it)...on picture.

so we have to increase number of our submarines including U214. From my understanding in mouse-cat games, submarine is the most effective in any war-battles.

Gotland, They must have named it GOTH - land
after all its coming from Scandinavia

i found something interesting about this Gotland Sub.... USN leased it

After being refit and upgraded to sustain the higher temperatures of tropical water,HMS Halland took part in a multi-national exercise in the Mediterranean from September 16th 2000. Allegedly, there she remained undetected while still recording many of her friendly advisories, attracting interest from the participating countries. In early November the same year, she participated in a NATO "blue-water" exersice in the Atlantic. There she reportedly won a victory in a mock "duel" with Spanish naval units, and then the same in similar duel against a French SSN, a nuclear-powered attack submarine. She did also "defeat" an American SSN, the USS Houston.

In 2004, the Swedish government received a request from the United States of America to lease HMS Gotland – Swedish-flagged, commanded and manned, for a duration of one year for use in anti-submarine warfare exercises. The Swedish government granted this request in October 2004, with both navies signing a memorandum of understanding on March 21, 2005. The lease was extended for another 12 months in 2006. In July 2007, HMS Gotland departed San Diego for Sweden.

HMS Gotland managed to snap several pictures of the USS Ronald Reagan during a wargaming exercise in the Pacific Ocean, effectively "sinking" the aircraft carrier. The exercise was conducted to evaluate the effectiveness of the US Fleet against diesel-electric submarines, which some have noted as severely lacking.

SSK Gotland Class (Type A19) Attack Submarine, Sweden​

Kockums were awarded the contract in March 1990 to build three Gotland Class submarines, HMS Gotland, Uppland and Halland. The first of class, HMS Gotland, was commissioned in 1996. The second and third, HMS Uppland and Halland, were commissioned in 1997. Kockums is owned by HDW of Germany.

In November 2004, the Swedish Government approved a proposal for the US Navy to lease HMS Gotland and crew for one year to participate in naval exercises. Gotland arrived at the Naval Air Station North Island, San Diego in June 2005. The submarine will operate in the opposing force (OPFOR) role. In June 2006, the lease was extended for a further year. In July 2007, HMS Gotland left San Diego to return to Sweden.

COMBAT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM

The ship's combat management system is the 9SCS Mark 3 from Saabtech Vectronics (formerly CelsiusTech). The system carries the Swedish Royal Navy designation SESUB 940A. The system uses an extended version of the ADA software from Saabtech Vectronics' 9LV Mk 3 surface ship combat management system.

The fire control system has the capacity to control several torpedoes in the water simultaneously. The 9SCS Mark 3 Combat Management System has three Type IID multifunction consoles from Terma. The terminals are for command and control, communications, and weapon control. The consoles are connected via a dual-Ethernet, copper-wire, Local-Area Network (LAN).

In January 2006, the Swedish government placed an order with Saab Systems for the upgrade of the combat system. The new system is called SESUB 960. Navigation, sensor management and weapon handling systems will also be upgraded.

TORPEDOES

The submarines are fitted with four 533mm torpedo tubes and two 400mm torpedo tubes. The Bofors Underwater Systems Type 613 torpedoes are fired from the 533mm tubes. The Type 613 is a heavy-weight anti-surface ship torpedo. It has wire guidance and passive homing, delivering a warhead of 240kg. The launch of the torpedo is by swim-out discharge: the speed is 40kt and the range, 20km. The 613 torpedo equips all Sweden's submarines, the A19 Gotland, A17 Vastergotland, A14 Nacken and A12 Sjoorrmen.

Saab Bofors Underwater Systems has developed a new heavyweight torpedo for the Swedish Navy, the Torpedo 2000 (Swedish Navy designation Torpedo 62).

It is a high-speed anti-submarine / anti-surface torpedo with a range of more than 40km and speed of over 40kt.

The Gotland Class submarine will be equipped with the Torpedo 2000, which is fired from the 21in tubes. Gotland has the capacity to carry sixteen Torpedo 2000s. The combat system on the Gotland class submarines will be adapted to accommodate a new generation of torpedoes including the new Torpedo 2000, which will become the submarine's principle weapon.

The two 400mm tubes fire the Saab Bofors Underwater Systems Type 43 lightweight anti-submarine torpedo. The planned modifications to the submarine's combat system will accommodate Saab Bofors new lightweight Type 43x2 anti-submarine / anti-surface ship torpedo. The Type 43x2 is wire-guided and has improved tracking compared to the standard Type 43 torpedo. Each 400mm tube will take two Type 43x2 torpedoes.

The Gotland deploys the Saab Bofors Underwater Systems stand-off self-deployed Mine 42. The Mine 42, derived from a Type 27 torpedo, travels unguided to a predetermined location to lay on the seabed. The submarine also has the capacity to carry 48 mines mounted externally in a girdle arrangement.

SENSORS SUITE

The submarine is equipped with a CSU 90-2 integrated sonar sensor suite from Atlas Elektronik. This includes a passive cylindrical bow array, an intercept array and two passive flank arrays. The sonar system uses ADA software.

The submarine is fitted with a Kollmorgen search and attack periscope and a Terma Scanter navigation radar. The electronic support measures system is the Thales Defence Ltd. Manta radar surveillance and warning system. Manta carries out surveillance, detection, analysis, classification and identification of hostile radar threats from D-band to J-band.

PROPULSION SYSTEMS

The submarine is equipped with two MTU diesel engines and two Kockums V4-275R Stirling Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) units. The Stirling engines are mounted in elastic, soundproof modules and each provide up to 75kW. The submarine has the capacity for two weeks of air independent propulsion at a speed of 5kt without snorting.

The AIP uses liquid oxygen and diesel fuel in a controlled inert (helium) environment. The AIP liquid oxygen tanks are located on the deck below the engines. The propulsion system provides a speed of 11kt surfaced and 20kt dived.