How to Overtake the Indian Armour ?

[SQ8]

In my earlier post I stated a scenario where the IBG;s thrust would be in two separate modes, light Ibgs, with 30 odd tanks fast moving IFVS and smaller support vehicles, and heavy Ibgs with around 50 tanks and larger support vehicles, if there are such 28 odd IBG's inside pakistani Airspace, are you going to fire 28 nukes on Indian IBG's??? with the 3 strike corp's still waiting in India for offensives ?

NASR seems to be the only answer for the pakistani members...

lets reverse the equation ... if pakistan had the opportunity to field say 30 odd IBG's against India and decisive majority in air power to support the IBG's with Air interdiction, full close air support and 20 strike packages available to operate every hour on ground ... do you think pakistan would have the advantage then????

NASR isnt the only answer... it is the last answer. How quickly the last answer is given is the big if.

If Pakistan had overwhelming majority, it would still not be able to gain much more than Kashmir or perhaps some ares of the coastal section.
India's key installation lie far behind enemy lines.. safe from Invading armies..
Moreover.. even if Pakistan is able to capture key Indian border bases.. it still would have to contend with a long fight considering the massive area India has to fall back on.

India could still capture Pakistani installations with that ratio and cause panic.

 

[SQ8]

Those who cannot stick to the topic, will soon find themselves seeing something called infractions.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Mr Researcher let me wake you up from your dreams Have some coffee

Cold start means Suprise Attack (Remember Arab Israeli War)

what made you think that India will attack by land only why not sea.

Before Light infantry moves there would be heavy bombardment by Artillery and Airforce.

Majore Bases (Arifield and Division head quarter) would be taken out by Prithvi, Brahmos and Prahaar.

Followed by long range Pinaka,Smerch 9A52 multiple rocket launcher

Before you even react the condition of your forward bases will be in air.

The Infantry will be escorted by fast moving and deploying system

Indian Airforce.

150 SU 30 MKI (Already Deployed near border)
200 MIG's (Already Deployed near border)
50 Mirage(Already Deployed near border)
AWAC and battle Field Radar-Short Range (BFSR-SR)

Communication and Real time Data integration

UAV (IAI Searcher and IAI Heron)
Indian Spy Satellite (CARTOSAT 1,2,3 and RISAT)
Active support from Russian and Israeli Satellite.

Air Defence

Batteries Of Akash (already deployed near border)
Batteries of S 300 PMU (Will be moved in from Delhi Area)
Battries of AAD and PAD (Mobile Units)
Battries of Spyber SAM
Barak I land version
Battries of SA 6, SA 8, SA 13 and Tunguska M1

Light multi utility vechile and Mine Sweeper

BEML Tatra
Casspir
Mahindra 550 xdb
Jonga
Windy

Heavy Mechanise and air support.

200+ Attack Helicopter ( LCH , MI 24, Mi-35)
500+ Tanks (T 90 and Arjun MBT)
100+ BMPs (BMP-2 "Sarath", Nag missile carrier (NAMICA), FGM-148 Javelin and Spike (missile))


Men on Mission

50,000 + Infantry

with (AGS-17 Plamya, Carl Gustav and SA-16 Gimlet)
with (AK-103, IMI Tavor TAR-21, M2 Browning, Koch PSG1 and INSAS rifle)


Attack Radius will be 200 KM as per the cold start.

Can Nasr with 1 kg Nuclear cover that area.
Nasr can be shot down by SAM battries (SU 300 PMU)
How many will it be fired because the war will be fought in PAK soil.
what will be reverse impact on Civilian living in that radius.

 

[Zarvan]

Mr Researcher let me wake you up from your dreams Have some coffee

Cold start means Suprise Attack (Remember Arab Israeli War)

what made you think that India will attack by land only why not sea.

Before Light infantry moves there would be heavy bombardment by Artillery and Airforce.

Majore Bases (Arifield and Division head quarter) would be taken out by Prithvi, Brahmos and Prahaar.

Followed by long range Pinaka,Smerch 9A52 multiple rocket launcher

Before you even react the condition of your forward bases will be in air.

The Infantry will be escorted by fast moving and deploying system

Indian Airforce.

150 SU 30 MKI (Already Deployed near border)
200 MIG's (Already Deployed near border)
50 Mirage(Already Deployed near border)
AWAC and battle Field Radar-Short Range (BFSR-SR)

Communication and Real time Data integration

UAV (IAI Searcher and IAI Heron)
Indian Spy Satellite (CARTOSAT 1,2 and 3)
Active support from Russian and Israeli Satellite.


Air Defence

Batteries Of Akash (already deployed near border)
Batteries of S 300 PMU (Will be moved in from Delhi Area)
Battries of AAD and PAD (Mobile Units)
Battries of Spyber SAM
Barak I land version
Battries of SA 6, SA 8, SA 13 and Tunguska M1

Light multi utility vechile and Mine Sweeper

BEML Tatra
Casspir
Mahindra 550 xdb
Jonga
Windy

Heavy Mechanise and air support.

200+ Attack Helicopter ( LCH , MI 24, Mi-35)
500+ Tanks (T 90 and Arjun MBT)
100+ BMPs (BMP-2 "Sarath", Nag missile carrier (NAMICA), FGM-148 Javelin and Spike (missile))


Men on Mission

50,000 + Infantry

with (AGS-17 Plamya, Carl Gustav and SA-16 Gimlet)
with (AK-103, IMI Tavor TAR-21, M2 Browning, Koch PSG1 and INSAS rifle)


Attack Radius will be 200 KM as per the cold start.

Can Nasr with 1 kg Nuclear cover that area.
How many will it be fired because the war will be fought in PAK soil.

what will be reverse impact of Civilian living in that radius.

Sir what makes you think we will not use Air force MRLS TANKS Heavy Artillery to do respond your bombing sir we will all our stuff to bomb back and bomb back really very hard

---------- Post added at 11:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 AM ----------

Use better tank than Arjun please

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Sir what makes you think we will not use Air force MRLS TANKS Heavy Artillery to do respond your bombing sir we will all our stuff to bomb back and bomb back really very hard

---------- Post added at 11:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 AM ----------

Use better tank than Arjun please

India's tank force is larger and more capable than Pakistan's Arjun defeated the T90 in comparison trials a few years back so why get a better tank?

and your greatest weakness is your relatively small navy we could easily set up a blockade and use our guided missile frigates and destroyers to attack positions and our aircraft carrier could is another force multiplier

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Why is every Pakistan strategy involves them nuking us and Indians not responding..??

We've built our nuclear arsenal to USE them in case of a 10 times bigger adversary threatens our sovereingty. They are not for display, and mind you they also work as advertised!!

In case of a nuclear conflict, both countries will suffer immensely needless to say, but India can kiss its regional goals of outdoing China a melancholic goodbye. As far as Pakistan is concerned, as it is we are a failed state with the federation at the brink of breaking up, so we won't be loosing too much

 

[SBD-3]

please spare me the lecture of PN's might

Indians concentrate on might, numbers. PN is rapidly transforming into an efficient and effective force, though not as MIGHTY as IN...puhhhh

 

[Areesh]

Mr Researcher let me wake you up from your dreams Have some coffee

Cold start means Suprise Attack (Remember Arab Israeli War)

what made you think that India will attack by land only why not sea.

Before Light infantry moves there would be heavy bombardment by Artillery and Airforce.

Majore Bases (Arifield and Division head quarter) would be taken out by Prithvi, Brahmos and Prahaar.

Followed by long range Pinaka,Smerch 9A52 multiple rocket launcher

Before you even react the condition of your forward bases will be in air.

The Infantry will be escorted by fast moving and deploying system

Indian Airforce.

150 SU 30 MKI (Already Deployed near border)
200 MIG's (Already Deployed near border)
50 Mirage(Already Deployed near border)
AWAC and battle Field Radar-Short Range (BFSR-SR)

Communication and Real time Data integration

UAV (IAI Searcher and IAI Heron)
Indian Spy Satellite (CARTOSAT 1,2,3 and RISAT)
Active support from Russian and Israeli Satellite.

Air Defence

Batteries Of Akash (already deployed near border)
Batteries of S 300 PMU (Will be moved in from Delhi Area)
Battries of AAD and PAD (Mobile Units)
Battries of Spyber SAM
Barak I land version
Battries of SA 6, SA 8, SA 13 and Tunguska M1

Light multi utility vechile and Mine Sweeper

BEML Tatra
Casspir
Mahindra 550 xdb
Jonga
Windy

Heavy Mechanise and air support.

200+ Attack Helicopter ( LCH , MI 24, Mi-35)
500+ Tanks (T 90 and Arjun MBT)
100+ BMPs (BMP-2 "Sarath", Nag missile carrier (NAMICA), FGM-148 Javelin and Spike (missile))


Men on Mission

50,000 + Infantry

with (AGS-17 Plamya, Carl Gustav and SA-16 Gimlet)
with (AK-103, IMI Tavor TAR-21, M2 Browning, Koch PSG1 and INSAS rifle)


Attack Radius will be 200 KM as per the cold start.

Can Nasr with 1 kg Nuclear cover that area.
Nasr can be short down by SAM battries (SU 300 PMU)
How many will it be fired because the war will be fought in PAK soil.
what will be reverse impact on Civilian living in that radius.

Another joke post. We have this we have that. And all we have is awesome and whatever Pakistan is cr@p.

End of story.

 

[Bhairava]

We've built our nuclear arsenal to USE them in case of a 10 times bigger adversary threatens our sovereingty. They are not for display, and mind you they also work as advertised!!

In case of a nuclear conflict, both countries will suffer immensely needless to say, but India can kiss its regional goals of outdoing China a melancholic goodbye. As far as Pakistan is concerned, as it is we are a failed state with the federation at the brink of breaking up, so we won't be loosing too much

What a pessimistic, almost nihilistic attitude !

 

[Zarvan]

India's tank force is larger and more capable than Pakistan's Arjun defeated the T90 in comparison trials a few years back so why get a better tank?

and your greatest weakness is your relatively small navy we could easily set up a blockade and use our guided missile frigates and destroyers to attack positions and our aircraft carrier could is another force multiplier

And this small navy has the best performane against you dwarka and in 71 you lost a warship and in almost all your serviceman were killed

---------- Post added at 12:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:20 PM ----------

India's tank force is larger and more capable than Pakistan's Arjun defeated the T90 in comparison trials a few years back so why get a better tank?

and your greatest weakness is your relatively small navy we could easily set up a blockade and use our guided missile frigates and destroyers to attack positions and our aircraft carrier could is another force multiplier

Your Aircraft carrier is the biggest lame duck

 

[MilSpec]

NASR isnt the only answer... it is the last answer. How quickly the last answer is given is the big if.

If Pakistan had overwhelming majority, it would still not be able to gain much more than Kashmir or perhaps some ares of the coastal section.
India's key installation lie far behind enemy lines.. safe from Invading armies..
Moreover.. even if Pakistan is able to capture key Indian border bases.. it still would have to contend with a long fight considering the massive area India has to fall back on.

India could still capture Pakistani installations with that ratio and cause panic.

No while answering this , Consider pakistan to have India's geographical position, In other words Interchange names of the countries and resources and think objectively, who will be at a larger loss, will india be able to hold off the attack using a the available assets.

---------- Post added at 12:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 PM ----------

Indians concentrate on might, numbers. , though not as MIGHTY as IN...puhhhh

By what exactly? increasing it's numbers..right? .. technologically PN hasn't leapfrogged IN

 

[pari.mehta]

India's tank force is larger and more capable than Pakistan's Arjun defeated the T90 in comparison trials a few years back so why get a better tank?

and your greatest weakness is your relatively small navy we could easily set up a blockade and use our guided missile frigates and destroyers to attack positions and our aircraft carrier could is another force multiplier

Actually, credit where credit is due.
The Gaps between the air forces is HUGE and growing by the hour. The jf 17 buy are just filler, partly for public consumption etc
The army still can put up a fight but after large scale inductions of the latest tech in a few years that wont be too much of a problem either but the PN is NOT to be underestimated.
Their strategy of sea denial is very clever. Today the tech is just coming to age of ASW otherwise the subs have a HUGE advantage. They dont have many overwater ships because it would be a waste of money. Why do you think IN spent so much on P-8INs?

The only area i see pakistan ahead in that is of oncern is that of cruise missiles. 1 crashed tomahawk is very valuable huh?
But the reality is that with a greater scientific comunity and larger research base its only a matter of time till Nirbhay.

The fact is that these problems of the growing distances between india and pak are just reflections of the economies and of the countries in general.

 

[SBD-3]

No while answering this , Consider pakistan to have India's geographical position, In other words Interchange names of the countries and resources and think objectively, who will be at a larger loss, will india be able to hold off the attack using a the available assets.

---------- Post added at 12:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 PM ----------



By what exactly? increasing it's numbers..right? .. technologically PN hasn't leapfrogged IN

Aaaah.....again......not increasing but optimizing.........doesnt the diverse procurment ring any bell...

 

[GOD OF WAR]

If a attack is linked to Pak based militants like 26/11 India will have no choice but to respond even Obama has said India has the right to self defence

Despite your vociferous rhetorics and campaign to establish the same, your diplomats and govt FAILED to provide substantive, conclusive evidence that 26/11 was orchestrated by Pakistan. On the contrary, the interview of Kasab show cases the fact that he has a strong Hindi dialect and vocabulary which make it most unlikely of him being a Pakistan or having Pakistani origins. This is but just one minuscule point. Solve the Karkare mystery and you will find that your intelligence agencies were involved in the 26/11 incidents. Then you can send your armored divisions and jets inside Pakistan.

On the other hand, what are you waiting for, concoct new drama about how Pakistan and ISI are screwing you and launch your 2 bit 'cold start' doctrine. If we had the blessings of countries like the US and Israel along with your goons in our backyard, we would certainly have given you a 101 on war fighting. What is mighty India waiting for, let the party begin.

talk about 'not having balls'

 

[MrProudIndian]

Ah nice example of blind patriotism by the thread starter..you got solution for everything.