How to develop Karachi? Do not vote for MQM and PPP

[Gazi]

bhai jaan

you win.

you are a good poster. But now our discussion is turning into gali giloch against provinces. It is better to let you win instead of having a debate.

Because it is downhill from here.

Sorry.

I was the one who told you to talk later isnt it???

I was trying to stick to Administrative mess Karachi is currently in and its Solution this whole revenue thing is Next step of all that.

So What do you think Actual Problem of Karachi???

Administrative or Political.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I was the one who told you to talk later isnt it???

I was trying to stick to Administrative mess Karachi is currently in and its Solution this whole revenue thing is Next step of all that.

So What do you think Actual Problem of Karachi???

Administrative or Political.

Like Charles Dickens would say:

It is neither of them, it is both of them.

 

[Gazi]

Like Charles Dickens would say:

It is neither of them, it is both of them.

You support your Statement by viable Argument so that we could move this Direction to more relevant area.

 

[Adecypher]

@Gazi @FaujHistorian
Please focus the debate on the remedial steps...plzzz

 

[FaujHistorian]

You support your Statement by viable Argument so that we could move this Direction to more relevant area.

Bhai Jaan

Post #1 - is the answer to your question. It is really simple and yet difficult.

The day MQM is made to focus on development and not Mohajirism, Karachi will improve.

Right now PPP wins by appealing to Sindh card
MQM wins by appealing to Mohajir card

If we the people do not give our vote to MQM for just one election (say 2018) you will see dramatic improvement in Karachi.

Because other parties will think they too can own Karachi and not just MQM and Karachi.

We the voters should become polygamous.

@Gazi @FaujHistorian
Please focus the debate on the remedial steps...plzzz

done

 

[Gazi]

Bhai Jaan

Post #1 - is the answer to your question. It is really simple and yet difficult.

The day MQM is made to focus on development and not Mohajirism, Karachi will improve.

The day when MQM got Administrative Power of Karachi like the way they got during Musharraf's period they would Focus on Development and Karachi would be improved.

Right now PPP wins by appealing to Sindh card
MQM wins by appealing to Mohajir card

If we the people do not vote for just one election (say 2018) you will see dramatic improvement in Karaqchi.

Because other parties will think they too can own Karachi and not just MQM and Karachi.

We the voters should become polygamous.

Bhai Jaan

PPP would win by using Bhutto yet again from Interior Sindh and would still control Sindh Province Administration through their Ministers.

Problem would still remains whoever wins from Karachi either MQM or PTI, JI, PMLN even PPP how would he be able to Solve Administrative Problem if he doesnt have Administrative power in current Setup and are confined to Legislation Roles which Assembly Members are Elected for?????

I hope you have a Valid Answer to that question.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Bhai Jaan

PPP would win by using Bhutto yet again from Interior Sindh and would still control Sindh Province Administration through their Ministers.

Problem would still remains whoever wins from Karachi either MQM or PTI, JI, PMLN even PPP how would he be able to Solve Administrative Problem if he doesnt have Administrative power in current Setup and are confined to Legislation Roles which Assembly Members are Elected for?????

I hope you have a Valid Answer to that question.

Local Body Elections

Devolution of Power to the Bottom

That is the ANSWER

 

[airmarshal]

Come next elections, mohajirs will vote for MQM. Do whatever you want. This is their bias and insecurity.

You see Karachi now. Its a garbage dump. It breaks my heart to see Pakistan biggest city in such a mess. Even if MQM is not in power, it holds a huge sway as it has all seats from Karachi for national and provincial parties. This excuse is not enough that they dont have enough power. They do.

But it seems we cant change anything unless we change. MQMers says they are educated. Well make an educated assessment. What has MQM given you?

There is no reason to talk about PPP. Its a feudal party but MQM is not. Sind and Karachi will go down further if people of Sind vote for these parties again.

Your sermons @FaujHistorian wont help!

 

[haviZsultan]

Our voting preferences, our mindset, our ethnic hatred, our divisions between sects. not enough nationalism and too much provincialism are all part of the problem. Jinnah warned us against provincialism and what it really meant was a warning for us not to fall at each others throats due to our ethnicity. Looking at Luffy and the W11's I can see that the ethnic hatred exists everywhere. We need to end it.

Look at India. Even in Lucknow I have never heard my cousins shout foul at any other ethnic group even though they have problems with religion-hindu or muslim... etc etc. Punjab in India makes up less than 2% of the total population of said country. It comprises 15% of its army at least. No one cries foul. The mallus do not complain about the lack of opportunities for them in the army. No one even raises the question of these Punjabis making up a large part of the army. Here we complain about everything.

We will not be able to outshine the Indians let alone the world until we change our mindset.

Come next elections, mohajirs will vote for MQM. Do whatever you want. This is their bias and insecurity.

You see Karachi now. Its a garbage dump. It breaks my heart to see Pakistan biggest city in such a mess. Even if MQM is not in power, it holds a huge sway as it has all seats from Karachi for national and provincial parties. This excuse is not enough that they dont have enough power. They do.

But it seems we cant change anything unless we change. MQMers says they are educated. Well make an educated assessment. What has MQM given you?

There is no reason to talk about PPP. Its a feudal party but MQM is not. Sind and Karachi will go down further if people of Sind vote for these parties again.

Your sermons @FaujHistorian wont help!

I agree. We muhajirs must change our mindset. I even go further and say we should merge with local ethnic groups-as I am trying to do as a pashtun. But as a born immigrant I know that our uncles and cousins will never give up on the MQM. Its like an izzat thing for them and they continue making some horrid comments against other ethnic groups. It is our collective failure to unite as Pakistanis, respect and love each other and not hate on the basis of ethnicity

 

[Gazi]

Local Body Elections

Devolution of Power to the Bottom

That is the ANSWER

And you believe PPP would Allow that????

They are in Power right now and would remain so until Bhutto is alive in Interior Sindh.

I agree. We muhajirs must change our mindset. I even go further and say we should merge with local ethnic groups-as I am trying to do as a pashtun. But as a born immigrant I know that our uncles and cousins will never give up on the MQM. Its like an izzat thing for them and they continue making some horrid comments against other ethnic groups. It is our collective failure to unite as Pakistanis, respect and love each other and not hate on the basis of ethnicity

You think if we change our hearts and Embarrass other Party lets assume PTI the Problems would be Solved in a single day or month or year?????This is what I called Dillusion a people who lack the understand of how Administrative things Work in a Region but still wants to sell Promise without knowing anything about the background of the problem. It is Provincial Govt. Which Controls Karachi not MQM so Blaming MQM for all the ills are Practically wrong except when their Workers are Involve in this Matter as Officially for MQM rather then Individual Act. As long as Bhutto is Alive in Interior Sindh Karachi is Doomed no matter whomever is charge be it MQM, PTI, JI, PMLN etc. That is the real Problem here rather then self Criticism that you do all day long.

 

[Norwegian]

Local Body Elections

Devolution of Power to the Bottom

That is the ANSWER

Already happened in KPK. Lets try it in other provinces and see if it works.

 

[FaujHistorian]

We will not be able to outshine the Indians let alone the world until we change our mindset.


I agree. We muhajirs must change our mindset. I even go further and say we should merge with local ethnic groups-as I am trying to do as a pashtun. But as a born immigrant I know that our uncles and cousins will never give up on the MQM. Its like an izzat thing for them and they continue making some horrid comments against other ethnic groups. It is our collective failure to unite as Pakistanis, respect and love each other and not hate on the basis of ethnicity

Amen brother.

May God bless you. Your words are worth gold. Every word you say,

Thank you thank you thank you.

One thing that I have used effectively so far is to say

==== Just skip one election cycle and vote for the best candidate other than MQM say in 2018 or whenever next election happens.

Loosing majority in Sindh Urban for one election will not kill MQM

instead it will give it time to become stronger for the 2023 elections.

Thats it. Just do not vote for existing winner again for one cycle

This will allow all other parties to get roots in Karachi and thus ownership of our beautiful city.

 

[haviZsultan]

And you believe PPP would Allow that????

They are in Power right now and would remain so until Bhutto is alive in Interior Sindh.

You think if we change our hearts and Embarrass other Party lets assume PTI the Problems would be Solved in a single day or month or year?????This is what I called Dillusion a people who lack the understand of how Administrative things Work in a Region but still wants to sell Promise without knowing anything about the background of the problem. It is Provincial Govt. Which Controls Karachi not MQM so Blaming MQM for all the ills are Practically wrong except when their Workers are Involve in this Matter as Officially for MQM rather then Individual Act. As long as Bhutto is Alive in Interior Sindh Karachi is Doomed no matter whomever is charge be it MQM, PTI, JI, PMLN etc. That is the real Problem here rather then self Criticism that you do all day long.

I don't see how supporting the MQM is not isolating us as an ethnic group. Self criticism I believe is a very logical way to deal with the problem. If we stop taking ethnicity so seriously that it defines our voting preferences we can advance much faster. Instead we are stuck on simple thinks like he is Pathan or Punjabi. The provincial government card with claims that the ruling government is responsible for all ills is used by every party, even PTI. What really matters is that is the nation progressing? Are we building harmony and relationships with each other and uniting?

I think supporters of MQM who are mostly ethno nationalist muhajirs ask for too much. With around 60% of the Sindh province's population being sindhi and around 21% urdu speaking naturally a Sindhi chief minister. Zahid Qurban Alvi still made Chief minister pretty recently.

Still we have 2 people (perhaps more) who were muhajirs and chief ministers of Sindh a position we coveted an MQM man to possess. We want everything while we have more than anyone else. I think we should begin to look into opportunities to serve our country than just our ethnic group.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I don't see how supporting the MQM is not isolating us as an ethnic group. Self criticism I believe is a very logical way to deal with the problem. If we stop taking ethnicity so seriously that it defines our voting preferences we can advance much faster. Instead we are stuck on simple thinks like he is Pathan or Punjabi. The provincial government card with claims that the ruling government is responsible for all ills is used by every party, even PTI. What really matters is that is the nation progressing? Are we building harmony and relationships with each other and uniting?

I think supporters of MQM who are mostly ethno nationalist muhajirs ask for too much. With around 60% of the Sindh province's population being sindhi and around 21% urdu speaking naturally a Sindhi chief minister. Zahid Qurban Alvi still made Chief minister pretty recently.

Still we have 2 people (perhaps more) who were muhajirs and chief ministers of Sindh a position we coveted an MQM man to possess. We want everything while we have more than anyone else. I think we should begin to look into opportunities to serve our country than just our ethnic group.

Havi bro

Again a fantastic view point.

I believe Urdu Speaking community will progress much faster and with peace in Karachi Pakistan will progress even faster.

if we do not vote for MQM just for one election cycle. In other words We should go to different parties every election cycle.

Thank you

 

[Gazi]

I think supporters of MQM who are mostly ethno nationalist muhajirs ask for too much. With around 60% of the Sindh province's population being sindhi and around 21% urdu speaking naturally a Sindhi chief minister. Zahid Qurban Alvi still made Chief minister pretty recently.

Wrong Figures buddy Urban Sindh is ready to surpass Interior Sindh in terms of Population and in Urban Sindh Sindhis arent that visible among all the minorities exist here Pashtuns are most Visible of all Minorities exist here in Karachi. There is a reason why Sindhi Nationalists are against Census in Pakistan.

Still we have 2 people (perhaps more) who were muhajirs and chief ministers of Sindh a position we coveted an MQM man to possess. We want everything while we have more than anyone else. I think we should begin to look into opportunities to serve our country than just our ethnic group.

Another error Sindh never had any MQM or any non Sindhi Chief Minister throughout the history. Only Governors have been Non Sindhis thus mostly Muhajirs but they never had much of an administrative role in the Province.

All in all by reading your Reply I can safely assume that you got lots of details Twisted and relying on rhetorics rather then any thing more factual so you have nothing to offer except rhetoric and we need Solution here. The Thread is about how to Develop Karachi with a Question Mark. You can provide some Administrative solution for it as well rather then MQM this, PPP That and PTI then here.