How to deploy Air defence systems? Learning from Ukraine (in Pakistan Context)

[White and Green with M/S]

The best thing is Ghauri and the Ghaznavis are easy game for the MR-SAM. 18 squadrons + 5 regiments of MR-SAM/Barak-8 has made us almost immune to the threat of Pakistani TBM. Shaheen-1 can be intercepted too.
AD-1 missile of BMD phase 2 and 48N6E and 40N6DM of the S-400 family can intercept the Shaheen2/3 and Ababeels

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when hundreds ghuri/guznavi shaheen will be raining down on India not all can be intercepted by your mighty BMDs

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

when hundreds ghuri/guznavi shaheen will be raining down on India not all can be intercepted by your mighty BMDs

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[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

AD-1 missile of BMD phase 2 and 48N6E and 40N6DM of the S-400 family can intercept the Shaheen2/3 and Ababeels

Even Simple HiMARS Rockets are f#cking up Russian defence systems in Ukraine let alone long range and much more sophisticated Ballistic Missiles.
Ghaznavis are 80s era missiles
We are working on new rocket systems Rocket systems to complement Ghaznavis:

What will be coming towards you is a 150kg Warhead with its small solid rocket motor.1st stage will separate out way earlier.
So you will be dealing with a small yet a dangerous thing.
Just see the aerodynamic design of Fatah -2's second stage and you will get the idea where is our Missile technology heading.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

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So???

 

[Saudang]

Ukraine's war time defence budget is $38 billion. In addition, they got $80+ billion of supplies from NATO in last 12 months.Plus close to $60 billion of military support between 2014 to 2022.

In a way, Ukranian is spending $10-12 billion every month on the war..

Not sure, if IMF or China can fund it for Pakistan. War gaming speculation without money is just good for forums like this

 

[Hero786]

Russian forces invaded Ukraine from six different directions and its invasion plan was well done. But Ukrainians began to fight back and Russian tanks are not survivable.

American tanks are survivable and troops can fight to hold ground even in less than ideal conditions.

I think NATO troops might be fighting in Ukrainians uniform.

 

[Hero786]

We will attack. It will happen but not now. It will happen at the time when the world will be in extreme chaos (and Russia, Ukraine + Nato war is the first step towards it.... second and third will be Israhell's expansion and demolition of Masjid Aqsa plus the Indian genocide of her minorities, especially Muslims and all hell will lose in the whole of the world). Forget about just Kashmir. It will be on a much larger scale.

You are wrong at least Palestine point of view, majority of Muslim countries recognized Israel.
Other remaining influential are only Saudi, Pakistan in Muslim world, who will recognize Israel soon.

No one (country) is going to start war with Israel, NATO, US for Palestine.

Even for Kashmir, less chance of war, until India fully stop Waters.

War will start for Pakistan, when US tries to attack China by using India as proxy.
That might be WORLD WAR 3.

 

[TopGun786]

You are wrong at least Palestine point of view, majority of Muslim countries recognized Israel.
Other remaining influential are only Saudi, Pakistan in Muslim world, who will recognize Israel soon.

No one (country) is going to start war with Israel, NATO, US for Palestine.

Even for Kashmir, less chance of war, until India fully stop Waters.

War will start for Pakistan, when US tries to attack China by using India as proxy.
That might be WORLD WAR 3.

Then you do not know about the prophecies related to Isra-hell?
Even Isra-hell knows how they will convert this tiny Isra-hell to ''greater Isra-hell''.
Leave it what current Muslim countries think, accept, or anything else about Israhell. Israhell in the past, in the present did not ask any of them.... and in future will do whatever it likes.
We have to follow Sahi Ahadees, and what those say about the status of Isra-hell and the last great war.... so far, as per my knowledge, it is going exactly whatever it was said.
Isra-hell eventually will expand until the gates of Makkah and only then the counteroffensive will begin against it.
Pakistan & Kashmir issues are much smaller than that.

 

[farooqbhai007]

I think first we need to look at geographic factors on both side.
IAF/IA Combined have a pretty big AD Force but the area they need to cover is significantly more as well. For Pakistan we need to only have AD on our western border with India and along our coast. For india that is not the case. In addition to India's border with Pak and the LOC, india must also provide safety for strategic cities located around its coast i.e Jamnagar - Mumbai - Goa. Further more India must also provide AD cover to Nuclear Reactor Complexes and Strategic Weapon production facilities located at Hyedrabad, Bengaluru etc etc which are located way southwards in India. Then we have the whole Indian border with China which needs cover and therefore a considerable amount of AD needs to be placed to cover the Military facilities in India's Eastern sector, essentially everything located east of the chicken neck at Silguiri. The indian border with china is also much larger than on with pakistan therefore needs more AD as well.

Considering all these factors in view at the any given time IAF/IA should only be able to deploy at the maximum 50-60% of its AD force on the Pakistani border in case of a skirmish. While in case of full blown war that number would reduce to 40-50% of its AD force deployed along the Pak border as it would need to cover Chinese border equally as well as strategic prod facilities located deep inside in Central and southern india (e.g Hyedrabad, Bengaluru, Bhopal etc etc than the Nuclear storage sites located as well).

Even that deployment of 50-60% of its combined IAF/IA force is a very large number due to the sheer size of the AD force India possesses.


Now coming back towards the Pakistani side, PA AD and PAF AD both posses a significant AD force as well. However they only need to cover only the Pakistani Border with India and LOC primarily, as along the coast line to the west in pakistan theres not much that needs protection on the pakistani side, except the Gwadar port, and Jinnah Naval base. Both of which are already protected by PN Marines AD unit with 35mm Guided Guns and MANPAD detachments, so at max 2 or 3 AD Batteries would need deployment there by PA. While most Strategic Facilities in pakistan would overlap with AD units providing cover along the border due to again the short size of pakistan. Therefore PA AD and PAF AD are able to deploy 80-90% of there AD force along the Indian border.

@Signalian @SQ8

 

[SQ8]

I think first we need to look at geographic factors on both side.
IAF/IA Combined have a pretty big AD Force but the area they need to cover is significantly more as well. For Pakistan we need to only have AD on our western border with India and along our coast. For india that is not the case. In addition to India's border with Pak and the LOC, india must also provide safety for strategic cities located around its coast i.e Jamnagar - Mumbai - Goa. Further more India must also provide AD cover to Nuclear Reactor Complexes and Strategic Weapon production facilities located at Hyedrabad, Bengaluru etc etc which are located way southwards in India. Then we have the whole Indian border with China which needs cover and therefore a considerable amount of AD needs to be placed to cover the Military facilities in India's Eastern sector, essentially everything located east of the chicken neck at Silguiri. The indian border with china is also much larger than on with pakistan therefore needs more AD as well.

Considering all these factors in view at the any given time IAF/IA should only be able to deploy at the maximum 50-60% of its AD force on the Pakistani border in case of a skirmish. While in case of full blown war that number would reduce to 40-50% of its AD force deployed along the Pak border as it would need to cover Chinese border equally as well as strategic prod facilities located deep inside in Central and southern india (e.g Hyedrabad, Bengaluru, Bhopal etc etc than the Nuclear storage sites located as well).

Even that deployment of 50-60% of its combined IAF/IA force is a very large number due to the sheer size of the AD force India possesses.


Now coming back towards the Pakistani side, PA AD and PAF AD both posses a significant AD force as well. However they only need to cover only the Pakistani Border with India and LOC primarily, as along the coast line to the west in pakistan theres not much that needs protection on the pakistani side, except the Gwadar port, and Jinnah Naval base. Both of which are already protected by PN Marines AD unit with 35mm Guided Guns and MANPAD detachments, so at max 2 or 3 AD Batteries would need deployment there by PA. While most Strategic Facilities in pakistan would overlap with AD units providing cover along the border due to again the short size of pakistan. Therefore PA AD and PAF AD are able to deploy 80-90% of there AD force along the Indian border.

@Signalian @SQ8

But that 50% of IAF/IA AD is more overwhelming to 90% of PAF than 90% of PA/PAF AD is to 50% of IAF/IN

 

[farooqbhai007]

But that 50% of IAF/IA AD is more overwhelming to 90% of PAF than 90% of PA/PAF AD is to 50% of IAF/IN

PAF AD might be a joke, but PA possesses a significant amount of LOMAD and HIMAD AD batteries.

 

[SQ8]

PAF AD might be a joke, but PA possesses a significant amount of LOMAD and HIMAD AD batteries.

Compared to the threat they face - those are adequate.
PAF made decisions on AD based on commissions not capability

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Another Turkish Delight from ROKETSAN: an AESA radar (and, corresponding EW) equipped 8x8 mobile SHORAD (named Burch) for drones of all sorts, choppers, CMs etc. Don't miss the gun, placed along with SUNGUR missiles (8km range at a 4Km altitude), capable to fire "intelligent" 20mm rounds. You can count that not a single "Muslim" shot would miss the intruding flying "Mushriks" and "Murteds".....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As for the unwanted aerial visitors, ASELSAN has developed the 5 kW GÖKBERK Mobile Laser Weapon System. It will be able to physically destroy threats with a 5 kW laser weapon. Thanks to the laser weapon technology, it will be able to hit the target without a line of sight, the cost of shooting will be low, and it will provide an advantage with its precise orientation and tracking of moving objects.....

GÖKBERK’s primary usage areas are planned as land and sea platforms, power plants, airports, border posts, headquarters buildings and convoy transit routes.....

We will learn more about GÖKBERK at IDEF’23....

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GÖKSUR and the laser weapon system GÖKBERK will be introduced at IDEF'23. The first information about GÖKSUR and GÖKBERK is in our news.

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[Kejo]

Ukraine's war time defence budget is $38 billion. In addition, they got $80+ billion of supplies from NATO in last 12 months.Plus close to $60 billion of military support between 2014 to 2022.

In a way, Ukranian is spending $10-12 billion every month on the war..

Not sure, if IMF or China can fund it for Pakistan. War gaming speculation without money is just good for forums like this

You're seriously naive if you believe that China is going to bankroll Pakistan in case of war with India. The Chinese don't give a f@ck about Pakistan unless they get something in return.