How to counter indian S-400 after this Kashmir issue

[danger007]

Why should we attack?
We didn’t make the 2016 farce nor did we initiate aggression on 26th feb or otherwise. There is no logic for us to be an aggressor.

You missed the part if-... anyhow, who initiated Kargil... I don't wish gor a war between any country... coming to the S 400, if it is such useless platform can be taken out with cheap drones fitted with xyz... we won't spend billion dollars... another guy come up with logic, china will buy out the deal for Pakistan... unbelievable logic... another guy claim, ISI will collect location of S 400 batteries... Common no body is dumb to place such defensive platform without any cover...

S400 will be placed in 100+ km inside Indian territory, if Pakistan have capability to reach into that much distance... you wouldn't have waited for long.. am not talking about your strength or weakness... but just to some illogical countermeasure proposed by some members..

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You missed the part if-... anyhow, who initiated Kargil.

Where is the evidence of who initiated Kargil? If there is ANY credibility to what you are saying, then remember to post the links here.

 

[The Eagle]

You missed the part if-... anyhow, who initiated Kargil... I don't wish gor a war between any country... coming to the S 400, if it is such useless platform can be taken out with cheap drones fitted with xyz... we won't spend billion dollars... another guy come up with logic, china will buy out the deal for Pakistan... unbelievable logic... another guy claim, ISI will collect location of S 400 batteries... Common no body is dumb to place such defensive platform without any cover...

S400 will be placed in 100+ km inside Indian territory, if Pakistan have capability to reach into that much distance... you wouldn't have waited for long.. am not talking about your strength or weakness... but just to some illogical countermeasure proposed by some members..

If this is about the logic then you are missing something on record by miles & miles. Did you ever try to think that how we had Intel about Bipin and other high valued Assistants at brigade hq in IoK on 27th Feb, 2019? where PAF struck but with a safe distance to deliver the message. Everything is logical in battlefield but I am happy as far as you are convinced otherwise.

 

[loanranger]

Why you come with such solution?.. Isi will get that info... if you have countermeasure for everything... you won't hesitate to attack us.. everything is easy for you..

There is a want and there is a need to do something. I WANT to attack India RIGHT NOW but I DONOT NEED to so I WONT ATTACK India. But beware when we need to all our intel can and will be used against you.

 

[SQ8]

You missed the part if-... anyhow, who initiated Kargil... I don't wish gor a war between any country... coming to the S 400, if it is such useless platform can be taken out with cheap drones fitted with xyz... we won't spend billion dollars... another guy come up with logic, china will buy out the deal for Pakistan... unbelievable logic... another guy claim, ISI will collect location of S 400 batteries... Common no body is dumb to place such defensive platform without any cover...

S400 will be placed in 100+ km inside Indian territory, if Pakistan have capability to reach into that much distance... you wouldn't have waited for long.. am not talking about your strength or weakness... but just to some illogical countermeasure proposed by some members..

My first post explains it all. Its a potent platform but in the context of next door neighbors it has some deployment constraints.

 

[YeBeWarned]

My first post explains it all. Its a potent platform but in the context of next door neighbors it has some deployment constraints.

Is it possible to jam Radar of S-400 ? if yes than which system can do it effectively ?

 

[SQ8]

Is it possible to jam Radar of S-400 ? if yes than which system can do it effectively ?

You need a massive aircraft to put out that amount of power

 

[FuturePAF]

Is it possible to jam Radar of S-400 ? if yes than which system can do it effectively ?

Something along the lines of this but more powerful; A Dedicated high-powered GaN Jammer like the next gen Jammer for the US Navy; 3 of these Jammers for low, mid, and high bands, along with DRFM wing pods fitting on the Growler are what the US plans to use.

For regular fighters a mix of self-protection and a few escort Jammers can help for now. After that, its down to tactics.

There is the next gen jammer in detail against an S-400 type system

More Details on Different bands

Some Chinese Jamming Pods to consider, while the JF-17E Growler Program develops

The KL-700A Pods, but I maybe mistaken

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rmpNjsnN...05-HfJDFxC0YtkoP_kwCKgBGAs/s1600/J-16_ECM.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/2cGYSEw.jpg
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[kris]

The S-400 can be defeated using drone swarm technology and AI:

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/20...cant-be-beat-ai-and-robotics-they-can/146631/

FYI
Swarm of drones can't fly few hundreds of km.
You have to come closer to do such saturation attack

This is what i mean by my first point. Overwhelming enemy air defenses with swarms of cheap drones and baloons.

Balloons wont be targeted
You are getting confused with balloons in mirv missiles I suppose

Logic is that China has invested $65b on CPEC and more will be spent. And it will easily spend $4b to buy out the S400 deal if there's a single attack on GB.

OBOR takes priority over everything. Trade with India is peanuts compared to the trade through OBOR.

Buying out S400 deal to protect CPEC is a very small price to pay.

You seriously believe that President Xi will allow OBOR(CPEC) to be damaged so badly? If you do believe that then there's no point having any further discussion with you.

Is obor pakistan centric
Don't be a flamboyant person
Trade via cpec is peanut when compared to India - china trade....

Pls come to senses

The drones can be released by mobile platforms. Also there is the option of jamming the S-400, using special forces to locate and destroy, using MIRV technology etc.

Afaik there are no such aircraft that deploys swarms of drones..
Even if such aircraft exist s-400 is a threat for them

Jamming - hard option
SF - possible. But have any country done it before??
Mirv - needs high precision strike
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[Thorough Pro]

To fight and win a battle against a knife, use a sword, against a sword use a longer sword.
S400 goes from ground to air, what you need is a longer range missile from air to ground. Adding range to A2G is is a lot easier than adding range to G2A.

Hello dear members
As we all know that this kashmir conflict after the removal of article 370 and 35 A will certainly get ugly.There is a strong chance that in future a conventional war can happen.And next year India will get S-400 missile system which will put our air force at a serious disadvantage.How frustrating it will be in war time when we will be getting a hell fire from the sky but can't do the same in India because with that air defence system being operational our fighter jets stand a little chance of going deep inside India.
So we have one year to do something about that and we all know the role of air force in a modern warfare decides winning or losing.
I am no defence expert the only thing which comes in my mind is that we rely on our superior ground intelligence to counter this threat.Which means identity the location of air defence batteries and destroy them.
But I am sure there are other options as
well.
Please write below whatever comes in your mind.Experts on this specific topic are more than welcome.Thx.

 

[Mace]

To fight and win a battle against a knife, use a sword, against a sword use a longer sword.
S400 goes from ground to air, what you need is a longer range missile from air to ground. Adding range to A2G is is a lot easier than adding range to G2A.

India wouldn’t mind Pak further getting sucked into an arms race trying to negate S400.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

FYI
Swarm of drones can't fly few hundreds of km.
You have to come closer to do such saturation attack


Balloons wont be targeted
You are getting confused with balloons in mirv missiles I suppose


Is obor pakistan centric
Don't be a flamboyant person
Trade via cpec is peanut when compared to India - china trade....

Pls come to senses


Afaik there are no such aircraft that deploys swarms of drones..
Even if such aircraft exist s-400 is a threat for them

Jamming - hard option
SF - possible. But have any country done it before??
Mirv - needs high precision strike
-

There are other more conventional methods to defeat the S-400:

https://defensemaven.io/warriormave...ica-s-f-15s-and-f-16s-f2L0rcaDdkybU5Nk4oTazw/

 

[Hayreddin]

Hello dear members
As we all know that this kashmir conflict after the removal of article 370 and 35 A will certainly get ugly.There is a strong chance that in future a conventional war can happen.And next year India will get S-400 missile system which will put our air force at a serious disadvantage.How frustrating it will be in war time when we will be getting a hell fire from the sky but can't do the same in India because with that air defence system being operational our fighter jets stand a little chance of going deep inside India.
So we have one year to do something about that and we all know the role of air force in a modern warfare decides winning or losing.
I am no defence expert the only thing which comes in my mind is that we rely on our superior ground intelligence to counter this threat.Which means identity the location of air defence batteries and destroy them.
But I am sure there are other options as
well.
Please write below whatever comes in your mind.Experts on this specific topic are more than welcome.Thx.

How to counter indian air defence during conflict....
First of all
1: Intelligence ,intelligence and more intelligence
Thn use
2: special trained units behind enemy lines...... .
Thn comes the....
3: Drones with saturated attack
And thn go for .....
4 : SOWs , Cruise missiles .
With adding some mlre thrust by using .....
5 : Long range rocket system .pakistan already got 100 + .

AND in the end after compromising air defence significantly , last but not the least ,,,,,
6: Fighter jets with full EW package breach enemy space .

 

[War Thunder]

A war is going to be fought before india gets S-400 and after that Russia wont be delivering the S-400 to india. Wait and watch...

 

[Thorough Pro]

PAF already has quite potent A2G weapons with ranges much longer than S400

India wouldn’t mind Pak further getting sucked into an arms race trying to negate S400.