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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

No I have talked to them, usually they are pro-Pakistan. I am talking about the Pathans.
The Pathans from Afghanistan are literally the most anti-Pakistan out of the lot...

You don't need to talk to them but just watch what they say, their culture is based around hating Pakistan, Gul Khans, and Punjabis.

Similar to how Pakistanis hate India, and Indians hate Pakistan.
 
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The Pathans from Afghanistan are literally the most anti-Pakistan out of the lot...

You don't need to talk to them but just watch what they say, their culture is based around hating Pakistan, Gul Khans, and Punjabis.

Similar to how Pakistanis hate India, and Indians hate Pakistan.
No I disagree with you.

It is the Northern Alliance which hates Pakistan.
 
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It's a cultural reason that the Pashtuns will always be victorious in Afghanistan, there is no security betting your money on Tajiks/Hazaras unless you're going to provide boots on ground military support.

In Afghanistan, Pashtun society is incredibly tribal and they are collectively raised on hatred backed by a mix of nationalism and Islam, hatred towards Pakistan, Punjabis, Gul Khans, Tajiks, Hazaras, etc. They are willing to be absolute savages and brutes to achieve their objective, the amount of deaths doesn't matter, hence why they are even ready to blow themselves up.

You cannot kill the Taliban, because effectively the ideology of the Taliban lives in pretty much all of the Afghan Pashtun population, if push comes to shove they'll always have mass recruits ready.

On the other hand Tajiks and Hazaras are generally more educated and don't harbour this level of hatred, therefore they can't maintain much loss or have the will power to blow themselves up constantly to achieve the objective. It will break them quickly.

1. NDS was at one point 70% Panjsheri
2. Ahmed Shah Massoud massacred Hazaras in Afshar
3. There's a street named after Ahmed Shah Massoud in Pakistan
4. Dostum committed atrocities too.

The Afghan diaspora has massive fractures. There's regularly hate pages on people's ethnicities while you don't see the same in Pakistani diaspora.

No I have talked to them, usually they are pro-Pakistan. I am talking about the Pathans.

They make fake tik tok pages on Pakistanis and try to troll Pakistanis on the regular.

Pashtuns of Afghanistan think Pakistan is Israel 2.0 and all it does it steal land and culture.

Northern Alliance was pro India in the past you are right, but the new generation of Talibs are very Pashtun nationalist rather than 20 years ago.

Her tax should be increased by 10%

Where is lumber wan beghairata?

Also for the guy who is constantly opening anti-American and extremely pro-China simpy posts, this is extremely odd and erratic behaviour...

That is the biggest question. Either she has Emirati passport or she has links with higher ups.
 
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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

On Tuesday 5 October, AIIA NSW welcomed Professor Theo Farrell, a leading academic on the war in Afghanistan from the University of Wollongong, to speak about the factors that led to the Taliban’s ‘spectacular’ victory over Afghan forces.

Having been involved in direct talks with the Taliban through his previous work as an advisor to the International Security Assistance Force Command in Kabul, Professor Farrell offered a unique perspective on the war in Afghanistan and the way in which the Taliban operate.

Professor Farrell opened by providing some insights into the context of both the war in Afghanistan and the Taliban. When comparing the forces on paper, Professor Farrell explained that the success of the Taliban presented somewhat of a ‘puzzle’ as Afghanistan had a security force that was very well equipped, due to significant US funding, and 300,000 strong. Waged against them was a Taliban insurgency a fraction of this size, of somewhere between 40,000 to 60,000 soldiers.

In his analysis of the Taliban victory, Professor Farrell provided four core sources of success.

The first was the Doha Agreement reached between US and Taliban, which involved withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan with the aim of bringing peace to the country. Importantly, the agreement required the US air strikes to stop. These air strikes previously formed an essential element of the Afghan government’s defence as they could be leveraged to counter Taliban attempts to overrun Afghan army or police posts. The Taliban were able to take advantage of the absence of US air strikes to engage in military operations below the threshold that would trigger a breach of the Doha agreement. In doing so, the Taliban were successful in slowly seizing ground.

The second source of Taliban victory was the fragility of Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The Afghan contingent was poorly trained and led, made up of largely illiterate recruits who didn’t show a commitment to fighting or following the direction of officers.

The third source of victory was the corruption embedded at the leadership level of the ANSF: officers would undertake activities such as routinely diverting supplies to sell for profit and creating fake recruits to sign off salaries.

Finally, the Afghan Commandos, its US-trained special forces, which constituted a mere 7% of the ANSF, were doing 80% of the fighting. Exhausted from the relentless struggle with the Taliban and unable to call upon US air strikes, their morale collapsed.

The deeply contested and corrupt election of Ashraf Ghani as President in 2014 led to a disparate approach towards the Taliban which exacerbated the issues in the ANSF. In particular, Ghani largely ran the war from the presidential palace, the Arg, where he refused to listen to the advice of the US and failed to replace the incompetent Minister of Defence until too late, which led to inept planning and poor timing. Additionally, Ghani had disempowered the highly powerful regional warlords and only realised in July 2021 that he could leverage their large militia forces as a final line of defence. By that time it was too late.

The failures of the ANSF and the political leadership were met with a strong Taliban campaign. The Taliban’s speedy victory in August followed their campaign from 2020 of gaining ground in districts as well as strategic areas such as border crossings and highways.

By May 2021, the Taliban started gaining more districts around cities which allowed them to capture those cities very quickly. Professor Farrell also highlighted the utility of the Taliban’s social media campaign which was used to demonstrate their momentum and to spread the message to Afghan soldiers that ‘if you didn’t fight, they’d spare you and if you did, they’d kill you’. On 14 August, the Taliban reached Kabul which led Ghani to flee and the ANSF to ‘melt like ice’.

Professor Farrell ended his formal address with a discussion of the future of Afghanistan in which he expressed his concern that the nation is ‘barrelling towards a humanitarian crisis’. This in large part is due to a perfect storm of food insecurity, COVID, a liquidity crisis and a Taliban government that is ill equipped to deal with these pressures, having had no experience in leading a state.

A vibrant Q&A session followed Professor Farrell’s address. Asked whether the Taliban’s stance towards women had changed, Professor Farrell predicted that they won’t be more moderate this time around due to their fundamental belief that protecting women’s ‘virtue’ equates to protecting women’s rights.

Asked how China will take advantage of the vacuum left by US and Western hesitancy, Professor Farrell responded by discussing China’s two interests in Afghanistan: working with the Taliban to ensure they don’t operate terrorist groups to export to China through their shared border; and obtaining minerals from Afghanistan, perhaps through a Belt-and-Road type system.



Report by Alexandra Russell Brown, AIIA NSW Intern

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Afghan Taliban's 20 year war is won.

That USA was arrogant.
USA /NATO won the war
TALIBAN won the war
In the end it was the people of afghanistan that lost the war and the soldiers that were sent to battle loosing their lives and limbs lost the war.
 
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1. NDS was at one point 70% Panjsheri
2. Ahmed Shah Massoud massacred Hazaras in Afshar
3. There's a street named after Ahmed Shah Massoud in Pakistan
4. Dostum committed atrocities too.

The Afghan diaspora has massive fractures. There's regularly hate pages on people's ethnicities while you don't see the same in Pakistani diaspora.
#1 makes sense as NDS was from 2002 - 2022 around the time the US invasion started so the Pashtun populace were more taliban-leaning, the government was more inclusive during this time.

I don't know the full context around this to comment on it, when and why did Ahmed Shah Massoud massacre Hazaras?

I feel like these are isolated cases of individuals who were brutes and high on power, which can be observed in probably all ethnicities on this planet, but it doesn't translate directly into the overall culture of the ethnic society.

When you fight a civil war or insurgency, having the odd few brutes isn't enough because you lose men regularly and fast, and that will significantly lower your morale making you want to give up. For it to be sustainable you need to have a collective societal-wide belief to psychologically keep you going despite massive losses and to sacrifice more. For Afghan Pashtuns, it's their hatred for other ethnicities in the region and Pakistan, it's deep rooted they are willing to go boom.

This also explains why Islamist insurgencies and armies are so much more powerful, it's a massive boost to your morale, even if you aren't a conventional army. India is also trying to replicate this by inciting Hindu supremacy and anti-Muslim rhetoric.
 
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Im sure there is - but they probably figure its a all talk nutcase with no actual information or context so why bother

... until the correct trigger events are identified. No worries. Or the delay is intentional to draw out sympathizers. Or a few other possibilities which need not be mentioned. :D
 
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only the panjsheris, marxists and pakhtun nationalists hate pakistan. the balance 90 per cent are ok with it and prefer living here Pakistan
 
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only the panjsheris, marxists and pakhtun nationalists hate pakistan. the balance 90 per cent are ok with it and prefer living here Pakistan
There are no Marxists in Pakistan. There are only Islamists and Nationalists.
 
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How the Taliban won - It will be passed down for generations, all the lost limbs and the money lost

On Tuesday 5 October, AIIA NSW welcomed Professor Theo Farrell, a leading academic on the war in Afghanistan from the University of Wollongong, to speak about the factors that led to the Taliban’s ‘spectacular’ victory over Afghan forces.

Having been involved in direct talks with the Taliban through his previous work as an advisor to the International Security Assistance Force Command in Kabul, Professor Farrell offered a unique perspective on the war in Afghanistan and the way in which the Taliban operate.

Professor Farrell opened by providing some insights into the context of both the war in Afghanistan and the Taliban. When comparing the forces on paper, Professor Farrell explained that the success of the Taliban presented somewhat of a ‘puzzle’ as Afghanistan had a security force that was very well equipped, due to significant US funding, and 300,000 strong. Waged against them was a Taliban insurgency a fraction of this size, of somewhere between 40,000 to 60,000 soldiers.

In his analysis of the Taliban victory, Professor Farrell provided four core sources of success.

The first was the Doha Agreement reached between US and Taliban, which involved withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan with the aim of bringing peace to the country. Importantly, the agreement required the US air strikes to stop. These air strikes previously formed an essential element of the Afghan government’s defence as they could be leveraged to counter Taliban attempts to overrun Afghan army or police posts. The Taliban were able to take advantage of the absence of US air strikes to engage in military operations below the threshold that would trigger a breach of the Doha agreement. In doing so, the Taliban were successful in slowly seizing ground.

The second source of Taliban victory was the fragility of Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The Afghan contingent was poorly trained and led, made up of largely illiterate recruits who didn’t show a commitment to fighting or following the direction of officers.

The third source of victory was the corruption embedded at the leadership level of the ANSF: officers would undertake activities such as routinely diverting supplies to sell for profit and creating fake recruits to sign off salaries.

Finally, the Afghan Commandos, its US-trained special forces, which constituted a mere 7% of the ANSF, were doing 80% of the fighting. Exhausted from the relentless struggle with the Taliban and unable to call upon US air strikes, their morale collapsed.

The deeply contested and corrupt election of Ashraf Ghani as President in 2014 led to a disparate approach towards the Taliban which exacerbated the issues in the ANSF. In particular, Ghani largely ran the war from the presidential palace, the Arg, where he refused to listen to the advice of the US and failed to replace the incompetent Minister of Defence until too late, which led to inept planning and poor timing. Additionally, Ghani had disempowered the highly powerful regional warlords and only realised in July 2021 that he could leverage their large militia forces as a final line of defence. By that time it was too late.

The failures of the ANSF and the political leadership were met with a strong Taliban campaign. The Taliban’s speedy victory in August followed their campaign from 2020 of gaining ground in districts as well as strategic areas such as border crossings and highways.

By May 2021, the Taliban started gaining more districts around cities which allowed them to capture those cities very quickly. Professor Farrell also highlighted the utility of the Taliban’s social media campaign which was used to demonstrate their momentum and to spread the message to Afghan soldiers that ‘if you didn’t fight, they’d spare you and if you did, they’d kill you’. On 14 August, the Taliban reached Kabul which led Ghani to flee and the ANSF to ‘melt like ice’.

Professor Farrell ended his formal address with a discussion of the future of Afghanistan in which he expressed his concern that the nation is ‘barrelling towards a humanitarian crisis’. This in large part is due to a perfect storm of food insecurity, COVID, a liquidity crisis and a Taliban government that is ill equipped to deal with these pressures, having had no experience in leading a state.

A vibrant Q&A session followed Professor Farrell’s address. Asked whether the Taliban’s stance towards women had changed, Professor Farrell predicted that they won’t be more moderate this time around due to their fundamental belief that protecting women’s ‘virtue’ equates to protecting women’s rights.

Asked how China will take advantage of the vacuum left by US and Western hesitancy, Professor Farrell responded by discussing China’s two interests in Afghanistan: working with the Taliban to ensure they don’t operate terrorist groups to export to China through their shared border; and obtaining minerals from Afghanistan, perhaps through a Belt-and-Road type system.



Report by Alexandra Russell Brown, AIIA NSW Intern

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Afghan Taliban's 20 year war is won.

That USA was arrogant.
Fair analysis.

But there are additional observations.

1. Primary mission was to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region. US achieved this mission.

2. Afghan Taliban were supporting Al-Qaeda Network in 2001. They had to pay a hefty price for this choice. US-led forces toppled the original Afghan Taliban-led government in 2001 and killed thousands of Afghan Taliban combatants including some top figures in the (2001 - 2018) period.

3. Afghan Taliban accepted American terms for peace and agreed to not allow any organization to use Afghan soil to plot attacks in US and its allies. This accord was signed in 2020.

4. Americans noted that Afghan Taliban are not loyal to Iran. This is significant to them.

The bottom line is that US did not loose in Afghanistan - neither did Afghan Taliban. Both made a deal and benefitted from it.

Strange, right? Well, reality can be stranger than fiction at times.
 
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US never wanted Taliban finished. They had to stay for some time and move. If they wanted, they could've wiped off the Haqqanis and then Kandahar group.

They literally handed *afghanistan* over to them in a very soft transition of power after making sure Taliban doesn't get much friendly with Iranians.
 
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US never wanted Taliban finished. They had to stay for some time and move. If they wanted, they could've wiped off the Haqqanis and then Kandahar group.

They literally handed *afghanistan* over to them in a very soft transition of power after making sure Taliban doesn't get much friendly with Iranians.
What was their goal in Afghanistan? Was it achieved?
 
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