How should Pakistan tackle S400 acquisition by India? The Drone Swarm Technology....

[Indus Pakistan]

Some geography mix up there.

I mean't Radcliffe Line

 

[Zhukov]

What about not falling for this arms race?
What about working toward normalizing relations with India-Afghan-Bangladesh Nexus?
What about Not becoming a party among conflict between the Tow giants of South Asia China and India? they can afford to play this arms race game we cant.
What about letting India buy these expensive weapons and starve their poor if they wish and not following them and bankrupt our economy?.
What about getting a leverage over India in certain Industries instead of weapons and do trade with them on that basis Just like china. Its a market of 1,200 Million Plus People. Why not make our Industry to Compete with their industry and Capitulate and win over their industry. In that war people will benefit and progress will be made.
Why war of weapons?
Why not NOT thinking about weapons and wars and start to go ahead with modern concept of leverage and competition that is Technology and economy.
That is the best reply to S400

 

[Basel]

The F-22 cannot operate over the S-400 either.

The reason is it's difficult to spot the S-400 when your recce assets cannot get close enough.



Some geography mix up there.

Growlers are not the solution either. They do not enter the S-400's SAM rings.

The Growler is not agile either, so the F-22 has a better chance inside the SAM rings.

Growler is spear head of USN strike group they enter first in area to make sure rest of group is safe to perform task.

@gambit your opinion on above discussion will be appreciated.

 

[randomradio]

You think they will be stationing the S-400 within 400km's from the border itself? Let alone somewhere where they can look inside our airspace?

S-400's will be their primary AD assets and will be kept further away from the borders. Manpads will still be the only thing covering the border itself...

The S-400 is meant to be placed at areas close to the border, particularly air bases.

Growler is spear head of USN strike group they enter first in area to make sure rest of group is safe to perform task.

@gambit your opinion on above discussion will be appreciated.

That's not what the Americans think.

https://breakingdefense.com/2014/06/gen-mike-hostage-on-the-f-35-no-growlers-needed-when-war-starts/
Growlers are not front-line aircraft for the first week of war, Hostage argues. They will be useful against a high-end opponent for the same reason that other fourth-generation aircraft such as F-15s and F-16s will be: for “volume” in the face of superior enemy numbers.

“But in the first moments of a conflict I’m not sending Growlers or F-16s or F-15Es anywhere close to that environment, so now I’m going to have to put my fifth gen in there and that’s where that radar cross-section and the exchange of the kill chain is so critical. You’re not going to get a Growler close up to help in the first hours and days of the conflict, so I’m going to be relying on that stealth to open the door,” Hostage says.

i guess the best defence for drones swarm attack would be multiple CIWS systems but with a lil more enhances range...

Drones are expensive. And yes, anti-air artillery will be excellent against it. Lasers can be used as CIWS as well.

 

[Falcon26]

Russian systems such as the S-400 are potent no doubt, but too often overadvertised. The way Israel is making mincemeat out of Arab S-300 & Pantsir-S weapons in Syria makes it clear that these systems are over-exaggerated. Israel has neutralized Syrian S-300 & Pantsir through standoff cruise missiles and electronic jammings. Pakistan should draw lessons from the Israeli experience.

I remember when Indians on this forum and elsewhere used to oversell the S-300 and making the same claims they now make of the S-400. With proper preparations and trainings, Pakistan can remove them out of the equation early on in any conflict. This is made easier when China deploys the same weapons and can afford Pakistan the opportunity to train over and over again till tactics are perfected.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

When the time come , i will let you know. It's very easy ....out of the box thinking ....think like Slavacs

Time is now sir.. [emoji27]

 

[CriticalThought]

Russian systems such as the S-400 are potent no doubt, but too often overadvertised. The way Israel is making mincemeat out of Arab S-300 & Pantsir-S weapons in Syria makes it clear that these systems are over-exaggerated. Israel has neutralized Syrian S-300 & Pantsir through standoff cruise missiles and electronic jammings. Pakistan should draw lessons from the Israeli experience.

I remember when Indians on this forum and elsewhere used to oversell the S-300 and making the same claims they now make of the S-400. With proper preparations and trainings, Pakistan can remove them out of the equation early on in any conflict. This is made easier when China deploys the same weapons and can afford Pakistan the opportunity to train over and over again till tactics are perfected.

Israel has only duped the S-200. We have yet to see what they do against S-300. No doubt, given enough time they can - but the question remains, can Pakistan replicate their achievement?

 

[Falcon26]

Israel has only duped the S-200. We have yet to see what they do against S-300. No doubt, given enough time they can - but the question remains, can Pakistan replicate their achievement?

The Syrians now have S-300 as of last week and there’s no indication the Israel’s have given them a respite. There are countless footages of the israelis knocking out Iranian/Syrian Pantsir-S units in Syria

 

[CriticalThought]

The Syrians now have S-300 as of last week and there’s indication the Israel’s have given them a respite. There are countless footages of the israelis knocking out Iranian/Syrian Pantsir-S units in Syria

Forget the Pantsir, it's the S-300 which is the focus of everybody's attention right now. Let's see how this plays out.

 

[Super Falcon]

Pak ust invest in heavy fighter jet with state of tge art jammers and can carry more load like SU 35 and ask china to make better copy of S 400 and buy HQ 9

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

I think PAF doesn't count on long range deep strikes!! In the Indo-Pak scenario, if you open a window of dense jamming for your jets, they'll be able to deliver the packages...

There is no policy like that you have to do everything. Attack is the best defense. If u can't strike deep you will always struggle to keep opposite Army away from your border. Only deep strike can put pressure on India to retreat back...

 

[!eon]

Robotics experts from Pakistan are working in German companies, ahead of China. Pakistan needs an environment to work in.

One big reason I came to know: An officer from Army is posted above the doctor level scientists and engineer who treats them like hawaldars of an army unit. This is not a working environment for scientific work.

We should get help from China on AI and Nano Robotics. Imagine a mosquito drones loaded with deadly poison, hiding in control room of S400 waiting for signal to kill operators

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

Am just curious to know.. how far these drones can travel? ? We aren't going to station these S 400 near border or not even close.. and S 400 is mobile platform.. how effective these drones against jammers?

These can fly for hours and with time they will become more smart. Its time for us to invest on Drone and AI....

 

[randomradio]

The Syrians now have S-300 as of last week and there’s no indication the Israel’s have given them a respite. There are countless footages of the israelis knocking out Iranian/Syrian Pantsir-S units in Syria

When the medium and long range systems are defeated, the short range systems can easily be overwhelmed since they can easily be attacked from standoff ranges.

 

[Royal Blue007]

Man you don't understand the point. I was talking about detecting its location that is easy any radar when active tells its location.

You are assuming Russians, Americans and Isrealies as fools as they are producing SAMs and ABMs since ages.
Its not that easy as you think.though Im unfamilar with ho it works

And you believe your "other networks" will or able to stope Ghaznavi Missile attack , Kudos tp your intelligence , , , And you also missed the point , does not matter how you stop them or what method (system) you use what matter is if you stop them you will lose (run out) of SAM missiles and if not you will still lose them.
Indian will not use S-400 against drones , they will use them against PAF or Missiles which posses great threat to them or system , , , for this reason I said to build Guznavi missiles in numbers with multi tube launcher ….

Maafkar do huzur galti ho gayi. Aapne to guznavi hi utha liya

What about not falling for this arms race?
What about working toward normalizing relations with India-Afghan-Bangladesh Nexus?
What about Not becoming a party among conflict between the Tow giants of South Asia China and India? they can afford to play this arms race game we cant.
What about letting India buy these expensive weapons and starve their poor if they wish and not following them and bankrupt our economy?.
What about getting a leverage over India in certain Industries instead of weapons and do trade with them on that basis Just like china. Its a market of 1,200 Million Plus People. Why not make our Industry to Compete with their industry and Capitulate and win over their industry. In that war people will benefit and progress will be made.
Why war of weapons?
Why not NOT thinking about weapons and wars and start to go ahead with modern concept of leverage and competition that is Technology and economy.
That is the best reply to S400

What about about you take a chill pill

Uncle, if you knew how borders are manned and how AD assets are stationed then you won;t be saying that.
Putting a $billion asset 200km's form the border is a sure invite to come blow it up with a quick op team, or send some drones/short range missile. Hell it can even be fried by EMP emitters from the other side of the border without having to cross the border, and its exact location can be discovered by passive radar technology like VERA...

An asset of that kind of value and importance won;t come within 500KM radius of the border...

o teri. bhai pen le ke aayin surrender karne ya wahan mil jaayegi