How should Pakistan tackle S400 acquisition by India? The Drone Swarm Technology....

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

From the quick scan I did your right. Only F-22 can operate in a S-400 environment. Other aircraft like Eurofighter Typhoon, Gripens, Rafales, F-16s never mind Thunders will drop out of skies like clay pigeons in a hunting range. Rest of the ideas here are just fantasy. There is reason why US fears the S-400 and everybody wants it. Since I don't think there is much chance of Trump giving Pakistan F-22 [the 1980s Afghan jihad is long gone] that means Pakistan has no answer to the S-400.

But and this is what I can't understand? Fanboys aside why would Pakistan need to carry deep strike penetration into India? What scenario would this happen? Any war between Pakistan and India would be limited to theatre like Kargil where PAF took extended nap during the entire conflict. The only time I can see Pakistan needing to carry out deep penetration would be in a full scal war. But under such scenario the war would be lost within 7 days as the massive conventional superiority takes it toll on PA. In this scenario the war would escalate to nuclear conflict and S-400s would not matter much in those circumstances.

So my view. Can we forget about S-400s and also forget about policing the Red Sea for Somali pirates. Instead rely on the nuclear deterant to keep India behind the Durand Line. The money saved can we please spend on -

• Schools
• Universities
• Houses
• Hospitals
• Police
• Sanitation

And then when have built up a large body of educated scientific pool from our young generation we can make our own S-400s etc. After all are Russian boys and girls genetically superior to our young that they can go forward and develop such marvellous weapons???

And the S-400 https://fightersweep.com/3414/how-scary-is-the-russian-s-400-sam-system/

India will not go for full scale war with Pakistan unless it hasn't sure that it can destroy pakistan's nuclear stock before it launched or can destroy in the Pakistani's air space. Till then no war.
But look at the recent and past activities of India. Take a look at the weapons India buying. Refale or S 400. It is all sign of threat to nuclear stock of Pakistan .

Russian girls superior.

Yes sir.

Cheers, Doc

I had a Russian gf 2 years back. I tell you that even the word "superior " is insult to them. No nationality girls can match Russian chicks.

 

[YeBeWarned]

@wanglaokan I am hearing of H20 bomber taxi trials in short period of time. Any news!

What do you think of the possibility of a Strategic Bomber like a H20 in PAF ?

 

[padamchen]

This is tough. I am gonna get distracted by yeh these Slavic girls are ball bustin, no doubt about it. In my gym I have befriended a Polish female whose 42 but has body of a goddess. I have tried not to think alog the one track mind but I think it's only matter of time when my satiate my hunger. I should not but you got to see to believe it. 5'11 of finely tuned muscle wrapped around a hourglass. So it's matter of time Izabeeta is going to get scored. We don't have many Russkies here bit Poles are second best Slavs.

Olga.

And Ina ....

Cheers, Doc

Tharrak ki koi intaha hoti hai waisy.

Intaha meaning age?

I'm not ready to be mothballed yet man. I'm a 48 year old with the VO2 max of a trained 30 year old.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Fawad alam]

I never understand what Indians are doing in PDF? why they are so curious about Pakistan defense and putting their head in every post.

 

[Pyara9]

Most of us know about latest S400 acquisition by India is certainly a game changer and our Army strategist must be planning to counter this. This hugely effect our attack capability in enemy deep land through Air.

The Answer which i came out is "Drone Swarm Technology" Already USA is working on it.

This is like killing Elephant with Ababeel and like Ibrahim A.S killed Namrood Big Army with swarm of Mosquitoes.

S400 downing one F16 or JF17 can be a big loss but S400 Missile downing a Drone is nothing.

So what you guys think about it??

China will get it first and we will get to test it ,play with it, develop strategy's to counter it.. and maybe even get a copy of it from china before India ever gets one.. we have mirv don't we? So chill

 

[Yaseen1]

drone swarm is basically a small sized multiple cruise missiles of small sizes we should work on small sized cruise missiles in swarms

 

[CHACHA"G"]

And you believe we don't have SAM network apart S 400.. kudos to your intelligence level..

And you believe your "other networks" will or able to stope Ghaznavi Missile attack , Kudos tp your intelligence , , , And you also missed the point , does not matter how you stop them or what method (system) you use what matter is if you stop them you will lose (run out) of SAM missiles and if not you will still lose them.
Indian will not use S-400 against drones , they will use them against PAF or Missiles which posses great threat to them or system , , , for this reason I said to build Guznavi missiles in numbers with multi tube launcher ….

 

[randomradio]

Most of us know about latest S400 acquisition by India is certainly a game changer and our Army strategist must be planning to counter this. This hugely effect our attack capability in enemy deep land through Air.

The Answer which i came out is "Drone Swarm Technology" Already USA is working on it.

This is like killing Elephant with Ababeel and like Ibrahim A.S killed Namrood Big Army with swarm of Mosquitoes.

S400 downing one F16 or JF17 can be a big loss but S400 Missile downing a Drone is nothing.

So what you guys think about it??

Drone swarms are not ready yet, and once it becomes ready, laser based defences will also be ready. So drones are not the answer here.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Olga.

And Ina ....

Cheers, Doc



Intaha meaning age?

I'm not ready to be mothballed yet man. I'm a 48 year old with the VO2 max of a trained 30 year old.

Cheers, Doc

Intaha mean limit.

 

[randomradio]

From the quick scan I did your right. Only F-22 can operate in a S-400 environment.

The F-22 cannot operate over the S-400 either.

The reason is it's difficult to spot the S-400 when your recce assets cannot get close enough.

Instead rely on the nuclear deterant to keep India behind the Durand Line.

Some geography mix up there.

Best aircraft to fly against S-400 is not F-22, its USN's F/A-18 Growler which can track F-22 too and in training they shoot down F-22 successfully.

Growlers are not the solution either. They do not enter the S-400's SAM rings.

The Growler is not agile either, so the F-22 has a better chance inside the SAM rings.

 

[padamchen]

Intaha mean limit.

Limits differ man to man.

Even so, I don't think anything under 70 is overly encumbered by limits.

Or maybe it's jst Parsis, and desis are different. I don't know.

Cheers, Doc

 

[randomradio]

Finding S-400 location is no issue Pakistan just launched a remote sensing Sat. And secondly the radiation signature of S-400 can also pinpoint its location. S-400 detection range is 600 km and from 800 km you can tell where S-400 is located because it Radar waves travel a long distance and can be triangulate back.

You need a dozen satellites if you want near real time information.

Have you ever heard of anti radiation missile and do you know how they work?

Any AWAC can tell from 800 km away where S-400 Radar is located.

Passive detection won't tell you if you picked up a real radar or a decoy emitter.

And short range SAMs can destroy any incoming ARMs.

If S-400 will be integrated in the existing array of radars like Green pine , swordfish , aerostats , barak 8 and Phalcon awacs ...then it will not be easy task to penetrate such a complex electronic environment .....

The S-400 will be integrated with our IACCS.

 

[War Thunder]

The problem is that these systems have a range extending beyond India's borders and into Pakistan. They can monitor aircraft inside of Pakistan. A 300-400km minimum range is a big deal. Even during so-called "peace time" between the two nations, India having this kind of technology is a national security threat to Pakistan.

You think they will be stationing the S-400 within 400km's from the border itself? Let alone somewhere where they can look inside our airspace?

S-400's will be their primary AD assets and will be kept further away from the borders. Manpads will still be the only thing covering the border itself...

 

[Aryan0395]

Drone swarms are not ready yet, and once it becomes ready, laser based defences will also be ready. So drones are not the answer here.

i guess the best defence for drones swarm attack would be multiple CIWS systems but with a lil more enhances range...

You think they will be stationing the S-400 within 400km's from the border itself? Let alone somewhere where they can look inside our airspace?

Even if we keep it 200km away from the border, it can still look 400km deep into pak territory, and can shoot aircrafts 200 deep....while still being safe in home environments behind all other line of defence...

 

[War Thunder]

Even if we keep it 200km away from the border, it can still look 400km deep into pak territory, and can shoot aircrafts 200 deep....while still being safe in home environments behind all other line of defence...

Uncle, if you knew how borders are manned and how AD assets are stationed then you won;t be saying that.
Putting a $billion asset 200km's form the border is a sure invite to come blow it up with a quick op team, or send some drones/short range missile. Hell it can even be fried by EMP emitters from the other side of the border without having to cross the border, and its exact location can be discovered by passive radar technology like VERA...

An asset of that kind of value and importance won;t come within 500KM radius of the border...