How religious are so-called ‘Islamic terrorists’?

[war&peace]

The Muslims did their own rape and pillage all over the Mediterranean, Africa and Asia.
They continued by creating the slave trade to the US, by capturing Africans, making them slaves.
The slave trade was stopped by Western liberalism.
The West stopped Muslim oppression of Arabs, allowing them to form their own countries,
and the US put a stop to colonialism.
It is estimated that the US killed less than 10,000 Indians during the Indian Wars 1866-1890.
Meanwhile Turkey committed genocide on 1,5 Million of its citizens, and right now Syrian government is repeating the process.

The fight for basic human rights and the rule of law is the fight of the Western civilization,
to rid itself of the lawlessness that traditionally been the history of all mankind.

So basically your are saying Anders Breivik is your ideal and you want to follow him?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If that was true than many races and civilizations would have been wiped out from all over Africa, Asia and the Mediterranean, if Muslims did massive genocides like you claim than show me one historical account from the 800 AD up to the 1700's where hundreds of thousands of Natives were butchered?, Muslim ruled Spain for over 800 years but those Spanish moors were also wiped out by the European Christians another genocide, Muslim ruled India for over a thousands year, did we wipe out Hindus like you did with the Native Americans?.

You didn't liberate the Arabs, you gave military dictators and warlords who sided with you against the Ottoman Turks with lands as compensation and reward for their "Loyalty", you conquered the middle east and carved it up in a way that would best serve the western interest.

Stopping the slave trade doesn't make you suddenly the good guys after all you were practicing it for hundred of years.

Please let go of this orgasmic bravado you have for yourself, Europeans are responsible for wiping out many races and civilizations, US itself standing on the bones of the Native Americans and a state that has at war for 209 years out of 236 years since its existence, that is a 93% of war while only 7% of peace.

Most of Northern Africa and Southern Asia is Muslim,
which has destroyed the native civilisations.

I claimed that Turkey committed genocide killing 100x + the number of native Indians killed during the Indian Wars.
I do not need to prove what I did not claim...
Most Indians were killed by virus brought by Europeans.
A large number were also killed by native infighting.
The Aztec practized Human Sacrifice of enemies, so they were not
innocent. The Incas were also a warrior nation.
European were just better equipped.

It is certainly much better to have stopped the Atlantic slave trade
than to be still capturing/buying/selling slaves in the 21st Century, like beeing
done by Muslims.

For how long have Muslim world been at war during its first 209 Years?
I would not be surprised if I saw similar numbers.

So basically your are saying Anders Breivik is your ideal and you want to follow him?

Thats why our Norwegian brothers put him in jail for life..

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Most of Northern Africa and Southern Asia is Muslim,
which has destroyed the native civilisations.

Show me proof from historical sites and accounts where the Muslim civilization came and killed millions of natives from Northern Africa and Southern Asia regions?, more than 80% of Indians today from India which is located in the Southern Asia region are still Hindus, did the Muslims wipe out the Hindus like you wiped out the Native Americans or did the Muslims wiped out the Persians like you wiped out the Indigenous Australians?, show me one historical site from Iran where Muslim butchered hundred of thousands of persians? far south east Asia region like Malaysia or Indonesia are also Muslims, tell me which Muslim army went to Malaysia or Indonesia and committed genocide against the Natives there or for just converting to Islam automatically means their civilization were wiped out?, stop blowing steam.

This was how the United States looked like before the European invasion.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Show me proof from historical sites and accounts where the Muslim civilization came and killed millions of natives from Northern Africa and Southern Asia regions?, more than 80% of Indians today from India which is located in the Southern Asia region are still Hindus, did the Muslims wipe out the Hindus like you wiped out the Native Americans or did the Muslims wiped out the Persians like you wiped out the Indigenous Australians?, show me one historical site from Iran where Muslim butchered hundred of thousands of persians? far south east Asia region like Malaysia or Indonesia are also Muslims, tell me which Muslim army went to Malaysia or Indonesia and committed genocide against the Natives there or for just converting to Islam automatically means their civilization were wiped out?, stop blowing steam.

This was how the United States looked like before the European invasion.

Destroying a civilisation does not neccessarily mean killing its inhabitants.
It means destroying the culture and way of life.
The native Indian Civilisation was certainly destroyed, but they were not wiped out.
In the three best known massacres of native Indians a total of 400 were killed...

Certainly the native civilisations in now Muslim countries have been destroyed, and Islamists
make serious efforts to destroy the traces of ancient civilizations whenever they get control, even today.

The only difference between the treatment of Natives and the Middle East/Asia was that the Hunter-Gatherers Civilisations were destroyed several thousand Years earlier in the latter case.
There is a high likelyhood that Your forefathers participated in this.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Destroying a civilisation does not neccessarily mean killing its inhabitants.
It means destroying the culture and way of life.
The native Indian Civilisation was certainly destroyed, but they were not wiped out.

Certainly the native civilisations in now Muslim countries have been destroyed, and Islamists
make serious efforts to destroy the traces of ancient civilizations whenever they get control, even today.

The only difference between the treatment of Natives and the Middle East/Asia was that the Hunter-Gatherers
Civilisations were destroyed several thousand Years earlier in the latter case.
There is a high likelyhood that Your forefathers participated in this.

You can cook up stories as much as you like but the fact remains that the civilizations and cultures are only destroyed when the inhabitants are killed off in massive genocides otherwise the civilizations and cultures continues to evolves and molds itself from one form to another with the coming ages, the Persians and Indian and other civilizations were never wiped off, they still live today in one form or another with their own languages and culture, but the Native Americans and Indigenous Australians ceases to exist as civilizations today with their languages and culture if not completely then close to dead.

Keep in mind that the Middle eastern world did suffer the invasion of the Mongols, where many natives were slaughtered in the millions.

 

[Anubis]

Their dedication should then also be gauged with other religions then .. the KKK are very dedicated to Christianity for e.g

The KKK is considered to be one of the worst(if not the worst) of Christianity.....nobody calls them non-Christians or heretics....Terrorists are muslims....

Really?

So if muslims say he's a non/bad Muslim he's not their problem no more? Do you even know what the real point behind differentiating themselves (Muslims) from him (Baghdadi) even is?

What you want them to say...say "he's a great Muslim role model, everyone follow him!!".

I want Muslims to tell the world that he doesn't represent them and to advise all Muslims that they should stay the hell away from him and his poisonous ideologies.

I'm sorry Muslims, you can't win this one no matter what you do...goal posts will continue to be moved to show you all as mini Baghdadi's.

No they have to admit that he IS a muslim and many of his actions have basis on actual Islamic teachings(no matter how much muslims deny it)...this teachings have to be eradicated. I can start quoting gruesome hadith that prescribe the kinds of punishments they use against anyone who they deem as a munafiq or murtad or a sodomite....you will start backtracking and questioning the authenticity of the said hadiths forgetting that the life of muslims have been designed around the very same commentators(Tabari,ibn-Majah,Bukhari,Ibn Ishaq etc.)...trust me If you want to remain a muslim do not study Hadiths....either you will become something like IS or you will loose your faith....the problem is not Baghdadi...the problem is the texts he and many others like him quote.

 

[Nefarious]

The KKK is considered to be one of the worst(if not the worst) of Christianity.....nobody calls them non-Christians or heretics....Terrorists are muslims....

No they have to admit that he IS a muslim and many of his actions have basis on actual Islamic teachings(no matter how much muslims deny it)...this teachings have to be eradicated. I can start quoting gruesome hadith that prescribe the kinds of punishments they use against anyone who they deem as a munafiq or murtad or a sodomite....you will start backtracking and questioning the authenticity of the said hadiths forgetting that the life of muslims have been designed around the very same commentators(Tabari,ibn-Majah,Bukhari,Ibn Ishaq etc.)...trust me If you want to remain a muslim do not study Hadiths....either you will become something like IS or you will loose your faith....the problem is not Baghdadi...the problem is the texts he and many others like him quote.

You don't have to be a Muslim to be freaked out by sodomite business, whatever floats your boat.

I know your story now! It's cool!

 

[Anubis]

You don't have to be a Muslim to be freaked out by sodomite business, whatever floats your boat.

It does not matter if you are freaked out by what other people do in their bedrooms...just do not "throw them head-first from the highest minar in a town","stone them to death" or "knock a wall down on them".....interesting how vocal you were against Baghdadi a couple of posts ago and now you seem to have found a common interest between you two....thanks for proving Bagdhadi isn't that bad a muslim after all.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You can cook up stories as much as you like but the fact remains that the civilizations and cultures are only destroyed when the inhabitants are killed off in massive genocides otherwise the civilizations and cultures continues to evolves and molds itself from one form to another with the coming ages, the Persians and Indian and other civilizations were never wiped off, they still live today in one form or another with their own languages and culture, but the Native Americans and Indigenous Australians ceases to exist as civilizations today with their languages and culture if not completely then close to dead.

Keep in mind that the Middle eastern world did suffer the invasion of the Mongols, where many natives were slaughtered in the millions.

There are 5,2 million native North Americans Indians so they are hardly wiped out.
They still speak their native language.
The number of aborigines are about 700,000 which is the same as is estimated when Australia was colonized.
Their hunter gatherer civilisation is still long gone in both places.

You can try to deny that Muslims have destroyed the Persian native zoroastric culture, but I aint buying it.
There is a pre and post Muslim era, and to call that evolvement is ridiculous.
The Christian culture in the Middle East is beeing genocided away at this very moment..

 

[TruthSeeker]

Are you Musilm? How much do you know about Islam?

I know everything about Islam that is worth knowing.

 

[Nefarious]

It does not matter if you are freaked out by what other people do in their bedrooms...just do not "throw them head-first from the highest minar in a town","stone them to death" or "knock a wall down on them".....interesting how vocal you were against Baghdadi a couple of posts ago and now you seem to have found a common interest between you two....thanks for proving Bagdhadi isn't that bad a muslim after all.

To quote myself I said "it's cool!", So where you linked that to Minars and walls is disturbing. Don't be so negative.

Your right to be freaked out if someone threatened to throw a wall on you, heck so would I be. But id also be freaked out if someone tried to put a penis in me, nothing to do with faith. Look at Afghanistan, they're Muslim but love little boys. No wall throwing there. No offence to Afghan friends.

I'm from the UK where all views are respected. I wish you best of health. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean I'd want throw a wall on you lol. I believe in live and let live. Jeez.

I know everything about Islam that is worth knowing.

That's pretty telling.

 

[Imad.Khan]

The undeniable fact that most of the terrorists that we are talking about yell "Allahu Akbar", and then accept certain death in order to fight for Allah, proves that they are more dedicated to Islam than are 99.99% of other Muslims, including Mehdi Hasan.

What a load of crap, as per your logic, 99.99% people are wrong but 0.01% people are right, did you bump your head when you wrote that?

Its a hoax.
You'll find the details of how it originated here:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-snowden-leaked-nsa-documents-show-us-israel/



I am sorry but do you follow Islam exactly by the book? Do you follow all the rules word by word? Does any single person you know follow Islam word by word? Be honest about the answer and if your answer is no then Baghdadi is no more or less a Muslim then you,your family or friends are....if you don't follow all the rules you don't get to judge whether another person is a Muslim or not.

Short answer YES

let me prove my point.

1. Believe in Allah as the only true GOD.

All muslims believe that

2. Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet

All muslims do

3. Pray to no one except Allah ( 5 times daily )

All muslims do

4. Give Charity ( monetary / helping other people with what ever resources are available to you)

All muslims do ( even helping an old lady cross the street is considered charity in Islam )

5. Do not hurt others with either your actions or words

All muslims do

6. Eat Halal (Permissible) and stay away from Haraam (Not permissible)

All muslims do


I can carry on and on, but what i have stated above are the fundamentals, if you don't follow the above fundamentals you are not muslim and as you can see these ISIS definitely don't follow no.5 and i can't confirm about the other points

 

[Anubis]

What a load of crap, as per your logic, 99.99% people are wrong but 0.01% people are right, did you bump your head when you wrote that?



Short answer YES

let me prove my point.

1. Believe in Allah as the only true GOD.

All muslims believe that

2. Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet

All muslims do

3. Pray to no one except Allah ( 5 times daily )

All muslims do

4. Give Charity ( monetary / helping other people with what ever resources are available to you)

All muslims do ( even helping an old lady cross the street is considered charity in Islam )

5. Do not hurt others with either your actions or words

All muslims do

6. Eat Halal (Permissible) and stay away from Haraam (Not permissible)

All muslims do


I can carry on and on, but what i have stated above are the fundamentals, if you don't follow the above fundamentals you are not muslim and as you can see these ISIS definitely don't follow no.5 and i can't confirm about the other points

I am sorry but did you just make no 5 a new requirement for being a Muslim? I have studied Islam for quite a significant amount of time...and NO WHERE is that stated as a requirement...I can start quoting hadiths which would hurt a lot of people for its words and if implemented through its actions.
Narrated: Usama bin Zaid
“The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: ‘Let men desist from failing to attend the congregation, otherwise I will burn theirhouses down.’”
This is taken from Ibn-Majah

No 5 would make the Prophet seem like a non-Muslim too.

 

[salarsikander]

Its a hoax.
You'll find the details of how it originated here:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-snowden-leaked-nsa-documents-show-us-israel/



I am sorry but do you follow Islam exactly by the book? Do you follow all the rules word by word? Does any single person you know follow Islam word by word? Be honest about the answer and if your answer is no then Baghdadi is no more or less a Muslim then you,your family or friends are....if you don't follow all the rules you don't get to judge whether another person is a Muslim or not.

Yes, So much muslim that he went onto to attack the second Holiest site in Islam Al MAdina. Very devout muslim Indeed

 

[Imad.Khan]

I am sorry but did you just make no 5 a new requirement for being a Muslim? I have studied Islam for quite a significant amount of time...and NO WHERE is that stated as a requirement...I can start quoting hadiths which would hurt a lot of people for its words and if implemented through its actions.
Narrated: Usama bin Zaid
“The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: ‘Let men desist from failing to attend the congregation, otherwise I will burn theirhouses down.’”
This is taken from Ibn-Majah

No 5 would make the Prophet seem like a non-Muslim too.

So much for your islamic studies,

So i will prove my point from the Quran

“Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

I can prove from Hadiths as well if you prefer

A Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand Muslims are safe. – Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim

Do you want more, i can provide more examples than you can