How PAF's Pilot Sattar Alvi Shoot Down Israeli fighter Jet in Arab Israel War

[Indus Pakistan]

we are like a teenager with a lot of ravaging harmons running though his body that he all his decision influenced by emotions and adrenals , not much of brain activity

Very, very well said. A strong dose of Machiavellian self interest is needed.

 

[aziqbal]

These are the traits of the most proefficient dog fighters of our history

Fearless and guts

Faith and Iman

I hope we can bring this revival again, there is some very capable pilots in our Air Force but it will take a war for them to be noticed and shine

PAF pilots at their best downing better planes than their own because they are simply better pilots

A single Israeli mirage Squdron wiped out almost 400 Arab aircraft but our boys wiped out the squadron

 

[war&peace]

Very, very well said. A strong dose of Machiavellian self interest is needed.

I agree with you 100% though I don't like Machiavelli's philosophy. We need a big injection of anti-corruption, anti-incompetency, and need to boost the self confidence. We need to jot down some rules of engagement whenver we interact with other whether its KSA, USA, China or India... We have the most corrupt and incompetent bureaucracy that never does the home work. FO is filled with all those invalid ugly bald and grey headed pieces of meat walking around with dead brain cells, their only qualification is that they can speak old colonial diction and English.. Other than that they can't even locate a country on the world map. Do they even know how many Pakistanis are in each foreign land, there whereabouts etc.. If a Pakistan runs into the trouble abroad, Pakistani govt will be the first to disown them.
Can NS take up any such issues with KSA? while he lived as a refugee there and still plans to go there as soon as anything happens to his govt. We need a true leader.

 

[Tipu7]

You can characterize that as you want. I gave facts. The Arabs are the biggest benefactors of India by order of magnitudes. This is not empty rhetoric. Good day to you.

If you want to mention truth, then mention it entirely, not some specific dimensions.
A half truth Is even worse than a complete lie...

Yes I agree with you.
@Tipu7 @Kaptaan I really think that it is not KSA but the failure of our own idiotic foreign policy that we did not convey our concerns with sufficient seriousness. Remember each country in the world whether friendly or not so friendly always keeps its national interests first. But we are like a teenager with a lot of ravaging harmons running though his body and all his decisions are influenced by emotions and adrenals, not much of brain activity is involved. We become enchanted with slogans. KSA minds its own business but we have to convey to them very clearly that these of your policies are good and we welcome and these we do not appreciate at all. When was the last time the govt of Pakistan raised the issue of treatment of Pakistanis in KSA, when did they convey that KSA must stop funding the madrassas and certain organisations in Pakistan....

Deal with KSA & Iran strictly.
Wait......
We don't even have foreign minister.......

 

[war&peace]

If you want to mention truth, then mention it entirely, not some specific dimensions.
A half truth Is even worse than a complete lie...


Deal with KSA & Iran strictly.
Wait......
We don't even have foreign minister.......

I am not saying strictly but with principles ...or more precisely with strict adherence to principles.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If you want to mention truth, then mention it entirely, not some specific dimensions.
A half truth Is even worse than a complete lie...

No idea what you are on about now?

 

[war&peace]

These are the traits of the most proefficient dog fighters of our history

Fearless and guts

Faith and Iman

I hope we can bring this revival again, there is some very capable pilots in our Air Force but it will take a war for them to be noticed and shine

PAF pilots at their best downing better planes than their own because they are simply better pilots

A single Israeli mirage Squdron wiped out almost 400 Arab aircraft but our boys wiped out the squadron

Thanks for your to the point comment otherwise we have gone quite a lot in tangential direction

 

[MastanKhan]

it is a war trophy .

Hi,

It is not a war trophy---. These are a dead soldier's clothing---and they belong to HIS family----. If he had a hand gun or a Knife on him---that could be kept as a trophy----.

But clothing is never considered a part of trophy---.

In war, your allies are there to help you out.
Just like Arabs helped us in 65/71 war, so did Shah of Iran.
We were requested to help out & full fill certain tasks which we did successfully. So it's indeed a impressive thing, considering the fact that our air force managed to create an impression and global respect by shooting down dozen aircrafts in total .

KSA is our allay. No matter how much ups & downs we saw in our relations with Arabs, over all our relations with them are positive. And this is what is most important.



Still not as worse as our Beloved brother + neighbour IRAN .......

Hi,

I would rather have the relation of the saudis as is rather than the love of Iranians----

 

[Kaniska]

My Urdu is not what it should be but from what I can tell the video is celebrating two things.

(i) Pakistan joined in the fight against Isreal along with Arab coalition. And we lost. I fail to see the brag in this?
(ii) Pakistan is retarded enough to be ready to defend a nation (KSA) that regards Pakistani's as underclass. Again I fail to see the brag in this.

A country that has over million people of Pakistan heritage all enjoying the full legal rights of citizenship with some rising to become mayors (Sadiq Khan ~ London) and others in senior government ministers. A country that gives citizenship to Pakistani's within 5 years of being resident. United Kingdom is "Kaffir".

A country that has milliions working as second class legal underclass with limited legal protection cannot hope to get citizenship after 50 years. A country that does not allow it's citizens to get married to Pakistani's. Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is a "brother" and "friend".

With friends like that who needs enemies?

Lay man response....You should have more citizen who should be proud of being Pakistani than a Muslim...Do not take me wrong...When your people think themselves as more as Muslim, they will always think Arabs with High Regard than their own nation...Citizens who need support from others are weak nations, never feel pride about their nationalistic character rather they take refuge under different forms..Like religion, sect, groups etc...whatever they feel is more successful than their nation itself...It will continue till a point when the nation as a brand create enough confidence among its people...

That is why if you see, Arabs or Iranian never ever give more Importance to being Muslim as a primary factor rather for them, being Arab or Persian s much more important than being a Muslim...But in other way around, most of the Muslims which are not from developed country, they try to identify themselves as Muslims more than their nation itself... Examples are available around us...

See a practical example, where you raised a valid point, but rather than arguing your point with facts, there is instant criticism of you as you being soft to Iran...This is how you will be judged from the people, who do not think rationally...

Anyway, i enjoy reading your posts...Even also, you criticize against India's interest, your posts are well read...Keep it up...

 

[Falcon26]

It's unfortunate that discussions of this nature are hijacked by the rabid anti Arab lobby that consistently uses sect mentality to demonish and attack Arabs. For your info, Iran is openly recruiting Pakistani citizens and sending them to the deathbeds in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. This while being the nerve center for Indian spies and machinations against Pakistan. Recent arrest of the high ranking Indian general arrested by the ISI should suffice. If this is not enough, Iran is hosting your biggest enemies at Chabahar strategically undercutting CPEC.

The Iranian fanboys above conveniently ignore this because addressing these issues destroys the ideological basis these arguments are derived from.

With or without Arabs, Iran is a mortal enemy of Pakistan. The Arabs are more than enough to defend themselves. It's Pakistan that needs to be worried about Iran's designs for the long run.

 

[Kaniska]

It's unfortunate that discussions of this nature are hijacked by the rabid anti Arab lobby that consistently uses sect mentality to demonish and attack Arabs. For your info, Iran is openly recruiting Pakistani citizens and sending them to the deathbeds in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. This while being the nerve center for Indian spies and machinations against Pakistan. Recent arrest of the high ranking Indian general arrested by the ISI should suffice. If this is not enough, Iran is hosting your biggest enemies at Chabahar strategically undercutting CPEC.

The Iranian fanboys above conveniently ignore this because addressing these issues destroys the ideological basis these arguments are derived from.

With or without Arabs, Iran is a mortal enemy of Pakistan. The Arabs are more than enough to defend themselves. It's Pakistan that needs to be worried about Iran's designs for the long run.

Why Iran is so important in every discussion about Arabs in Pakistan..??? Why every valid argument is always to be judged that some one is either pro arab or pro Iran so that his argument can not be considered as a valid argument...And the bigger question even to you is that why some is thinking themselves as more Pro Iran than being Pakistani itself and in the same way some one has to be more Pro Arab than being Pakistan itself...Its very surprising that you would love to blame your own citizen more conveniently just for the sake of an outside nation...Why is more important for you? Your own brothers or Arab nations???? Why even some ones argument is to be judged and prejudiced as he is more an Iranian than Pakistan itself...

 

[Hell hound]

My Urdu is not what it should be but from what I can tell the video is celebrating two things.

(i) Pakistan joined in the fight against Isreal along with Arab coalition. And we lost. I fail to see the brag in this?
(ii) Pakistan is retarded enough to be ready to defend a nation (KSA) that regards Pakistani's as underclass. Again I fail to see the brag in this.

A country that has over million people of Pakistan heritage all enjoying the full legal rights of citizenship with some rising to become mayors (Sadiq Khan ~ London) and others in senior government ministers. A country that gives citizenship to Pakistani's within 5 years of being resident. United Kingdom is "Kaffir".

A country that has milliions working as second class legal underclass with limited legal protection cannot hope to get citizenship after 50 years. A country that does not allow it's citizens to get married to Pakistani's. Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is a "brother" and "friend".

With friends like that who needs enemies?

what we need to change is basic mind set of the public and get them out of mullahs clutches but to do this we need to regulate the madrassas and total rewriting of the text books.have you seen our text book how much venom they spewing these text book are the reason we are creating educated terrorist with jihad mentality.i was under my strict supervision of my parents and these books still manage to indoctrinate me and it took me solid six year to completely cleanse my mind of the hate it filled me with against ahmedis ,israel,and uk (surprisingly our books have no mention of usa in it).

 

[Falcon26]

Why Iran is so important in every discussion about Arabs in Pakistan..??? Why every valid argument is always to be judged that some one is either pro arab or pro Iran so that his argument can not be considered as a valid argument...And the bigger question even to you is that why some is thinking themselves as more Pro Iran than being Pakistani itself and in the same way some one has to be more Pro Arab than being Pakistan itself...Its very surprising that you would love to blame your own citizen more conveniently just for the sake of an outside nation...Why is more important for you? Your own brothers or Arab nations???? Why even some ones argument is to be judged and prejudiced as he is more an Iranian than Pakistan itself...

I am speaking as outsider. Not Pakistani at all.

 

[UniverseWatcher]

What a legend.

Air Cdre (r) Abdus Sattar Alvi

The Israeli Air Force fielded F-4 Phantoms ((such as that pictured above) and Mirage III aircraft against them.