How PAF will counter these mass number of Su-30MKIs Fighters?????????

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

Lets enlighten history.
65 war, 2 Aircrafts vs 8, we won.

Check out the 65 air battles

u conveniently forgot 71 war and kargil, where govt of pakistan even forgot to take back bodies of its own army men.

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

Lets enlighten history.
65 war, 2 Aircrafts vs 8, we won.

Check out the 65 air battles

so you are now gonna bring 65's weapon to counter todays INDIA's weapon?????/
and if you want to look at history then why just chunks favorable to you?
why not look at war of longewala , war of 1971.

 

[Imran Khan]

u conveniently forgot 71 war and kargil, where govt of pakistan even forgot to take back bodies of its own army men.

what a BS propaganda indian media put in your empty brain . give me one pic or viedeo or any neutral link pakistan forget to take bodies . its nothing but a deep hate in your hearts . damn there was war so sure must be solders falls and become shaheed for there nation. give me one example were no killings in war . if we can fight so we can be also face our dead bodes. every nation face it in war.

i say to you guys true? you guys feel good to insult your enemy but for us there is respect of enemy also important. because enemy has self respect .sorry dear you guys cant understand these words .carry on bla bla bla

 

[Imran Khan]

so you are now gonna bring 65's weapon to counter todays INDIA's weapon?????/
and if you want to look at history then why just chunks favorable to you?
why not look at war of longewala , war of 1971.

only you guys again and again repeat the battle which you won at 71. why dont you look at other battles in 1965 or 71 or even kargil . simple answer false proud and hate battles of india pakistan was not single sided teens

 

[majesticpankaj]

what a BS propaganda indian media put in your empty brain . give me one pic or viedeo or any neutral link pakistan forget to take bodies . its nothing but a deep hate in your hearts . damn there was war so sure must be solders falls and become shaheed for there nation. give me one example were no killings in war . if we can fight so we can be also face our dead bodes. every nation face it in war.

i say to you guys true? you guys feel good to insult your enemy but for us there is respect of enemy also important. because enemy has self respect .sorry dear you guys cant understand these words .carry on bla bla bla

this is absolutely true that PA refused to take the dead bodies of their soldiers back because they were branding them as intruders and not the regular armymen. it is a well known fact that PA had refused the involvement of their troops in kargil, so how could they take the bodies back ? after 10 years PA has entered the name of martyrs in their website.. check for yourself.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

what a BS propaganda indian media put in your empty brain . give me one pic or viedeo or any neutral link pakistan forget to take bodies . its nothing but a deep hate in your hearts . damn there was war so sure must be solders falls and become shaheed for there nation. give me one example were no killings in war . if we can fight so we can be also face our dead bodes. every nation face it in war.

i say to you guys true? you guys feel good to insult your enemy but for us there is respect of enemy also important. because enemy has self respect .sorry dear you guys cant understand these words .carry on bla bla bla

i am sorry my friend if my words have hurt u. but the fact remains pakistani govt did not acknowledge the role of its army men in kargil war. so many men from NLI lost their lives but the govt of pakistan kept denying that they are its army men. they just kept saying that those guys were mujahideens and freedom fighters. its only recently (i think last year) the pakistani governemnt quietly released the names of army men killed in kargil operation.

i once again say, i have highest regards for soldiers who fight for their country be it indian or pakistani.

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

what a BS propaganda indian media put in your empty brain . give me one pic or viedeo or any neutral link pakistan forget to take bodies . its nothing but a deep hate in your hearts . damn there was war so sure must be solders falls and become shaheed for there nation. give me one example were no killings in war . if we can fight so we can be also face our dead bodes. every nation face it in war.

i say to you guys true? you guys feel good to insult your enemy but for us there is respect of enemy also important. because enemy has self respect .sorry dear you guys cant understand these words .carry on bla bla bla

nobody is disrespecting any shaheed.
All the soldiers are to be respected whether they are enemy or our own.
but it is fact that at first pakistan refused that soldiers in kargil are pakistani soldiers but later own agreed to it.

 

[HAK]

You are going to Nuke the Aircraft down?? Su 30 MKI's are not mean Enough to be Brought down only by Nuclear weapons

I was thinking more on the lines of nuke the airbase b4 planes can take off

 

[Imran Khan]

PAF Air-Kills in East Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot IAF Pilot PAF plane Plane/Pilot fate
Dec 4 F/L Saeed S/L S.B.Samanta F-86 14th Squadron Hunter (37th Squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Shams-ul-Haq S/L V. Bhutani F-86 14th Squadron Su-7 (221 squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Saeed Afzal F/O S.G. Khonde F-86 14th Squadron Hunter (37th Squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Shams-ul-Haq S/L K.D. Mehra F-86 14th Squadron Hunter
Dec 4 F/L Dilawer F/L K. C. Lemontree F-86 14th Squadron Hunter, POW

PAF Air-Kills in West Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot IAF Pilot PAF plane Plane/Squadron
Dec 04 F/L Naeem Atta F/L L.M.Sasoon and F/L R.M. Advani Mirage III Canberra (JBCU)
Dec 04 F/L Qazi Javed F/O Chati (POW) F-6 Hunter (A-479) (27 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Javed Latif F/L H.V. Singh F-6 Su-7 (222 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Salim Bag Mirza F/L K.P. Muralidharan F-86 Hunter (A-462) (20 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Mujahid F/O S. Tyagi F-86 Hunter (A-490) (27 Squadron)
Dec 05 F/L Safdar S/L J.M. Mistry Mirage III Hunter(A1014) (20 Squadron)
Dec 05 S/L S. Saad Hatmi F/L G.S. Rai (Killed) F-6 Hunter (A482) (27 Squadron)
Dec 05 F/L Qazi F/O K.L Malkani (Killed) F-6 Hunter (A488) (27 Squadron)
Dec 07 F/L Atiq Sufi / F/L Musharaf Mir S/L Jiwa Singh F-6 Su-7 (26 Squadron)
Dec 08 W/C Hashmi F/L R.G Kadam F-6 Su-7 (TACDE)
Dec 10 W/C Arif Iqbal L/C Ashok Roy (Pilot), Lt H S Sirohi (Obs), O Vijayan F-104 Alize (310 Squadron)
Dec 11 S/L Cecil Chaudhery F/L K.K. Mohan F-86 Su-7 (26 Squadron)
Dec 11 Unknown Pilot F/L R D Naithani (Pilot) F/L G Theophilus (Nav) F/L Manohar Purohit (Nav) Mirage III Canberra (5 Bomber Squadron)
Dec 11 W/C Arif Iqbal / S/L Amanullah S/L Mickey Jatar (Killed) F-104 HF-24 (while taking off from the runway) (10 Squadron)
Dec 14 F/L Salim Beg Mirza F/O N.S. Sekhon F-86 Gnat (18 Squadron)
Dec 14 S/L Salim Gauhar Capt P.K. Gaur F-86 Auster (660 Squadron)
Dec 17 F/L Maqsood Amir F/L Tejwant Singh F-86 Mig-21 (29 Squadron)

PAF Air-Combat Losses in East Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Nov 22 F/L Parvez Mehdi Qureshi POW Sabre vs. Gnat
Nov 22 F/O Khalil Ahmed POW Sabre vs. Gnat
Dec 04 W/C S M Ahmed Killed by Terrorists Sabre vs. Hunter
Dec 04 F/L Saeed Afzal Khan Killed by Terrorists Sabre vs. Hunter
Dec 04 F/O Sajjad Noor Pilot rescued Sabre vs. Hunter

PAF Air Combat Losses in West Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot Aircraft / Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 10 S/L Aslam Choudhry F-86 . Pilot killed in action. S/L R N Bharadwaj In Hunter.
Dec 12 W/C M E Middlecoat F-104. Pilot Killed in action. F/L B B Soni in Mig-21.
Dec 13 F/O N N A Baig F-86. Pilot Killed in action. S/L F J Mehta in Hunter
Dec 17 F/L Samad Ali Changezi F-104. Pilot Killed in action. F/L A K Dutta in Mig-21.
Total PAF losses in Air to Air Combat: 09
Total IAF losses in Air to Air Combat (at least): 22

IAF losses due to Ground fire in East Pakistan
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft involved
Dec 04 S/L S K Gupta Ejected Hunter
Dec 04 F/L A R Da Costa Killed Hunter
Dec 10 S/L R C Sachdeva Killed Hunter
Dec 13 S/L P.S.Gill Ejected Mig-21
Dec 15 F/O B R E Wilson(Pilot) Flt Lt R B Mehta (Nav) Killed Canberra
Unknown F/L Dixon 2 Killed Hunter

IAF losses due to Ground fire in West Pakistan
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 04 F/L M S Grewa POW Su-7
Dec 04 F/L P V Apte Killed HF-24
Dec 04 F/L J L Bhargava Unknown HF-24
Dec 05 F/L A V Pethia POW Mystere
Dec 05 S/L D S Jafa Unknown Su-7
Dec 05 F/L Harish Singhji Unknown Mig-21
Dec 05 F/L V V Tambey Unknown Su-7
Dec 05 F/L S K Goswami (Pilot) F/L S C Mahajan (Nav) Unknown Canberra
Dec 05 F/L S C Sandal (Pt) F/L K S Nanda (Nav) Unknown Canberra
Dec 06 F/O K C Kuruvilla Unknown Su-7
Dec 07 F/O H N D Mulla Feroze Unknown HF-24
Dec 08 S/L Denzil Keelor Unknown Mig-21
Dec 08 W/C B A Coelho Unknown Hunter
Dec 09 F/L N Shanker Unknown Su-7
Dec 09 S/L A V Kamat Unknown HF-24
Dec 10 S/L Jain Killed Hunter
Dec 10 F/L Parulkar Unknown Su-7
Dec 10 F/L S K Chibber Unknown Su-7
Dec 13 S/L J D Kumar Unknown Mystere
Dec 13 W/C H S Gill Unknown Mig-21
Dec 16 F/L T S Danadoss Unknown Su-7
unknown S/L Anukul Unknown Mystere
unknown F/L Das Unknown Mystere

IAF Aircrafts Destroyed on Ground
1 Vampire on Dec 15 (Pakistan claimed far more Indian aircrafts destroyed on ground and this is confirmed by Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, former Indian Army chief).

Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 06 F/L V K Wahi Unknown Su-7
Dec 07 F/O M M Singh Unknown Gnat
Dec 12 F/O P K Sahu Unknown Mig-21
Unknown unknown unknown Mig-21
Unknown unknown unknown Mi-4

IAF Aircrafts Lost in accidents
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 17 F/L J D'Souza , and Five Crew memebers. Killed Dakota
Unknown S/L Rao Ejected Mig-21
Dec 11 S/L K L Bajaj Killed Alloutte
Dec 11 F/L A B Dhavle Killed Mig-21

PAF losses in East Pakistan Due to Enemy Ground Fire
None: Pakistan Air Force disabled 11 remaining F-86s and 2-3 T-33s by perforating aircraft engines with the gun fire and cutting electric wiring at several places to prevent them from falling into enemy hands after runway was cratered beyond repair.

PAF losses in West Pakistan Due to Enemy Ground Fire
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 05 S/L Khusro,
S/L Peter Chisty Killed B-57
Dec 05 S/L Ishfaq Hameed,
F/L Zulfiqar Ahmed Killed B-57
Dec 05 F/L Javed Iqbal,
F/L G M Malik Killed B-57
Dec 06 S/L Amjad Hussain POW F-104
Dec 07 F/L Wajid Ali Khan POW F-6
Dec 08 F/L Fazal Elahi Killed F-86
Dec 12 F/L Ejazuddin Unknown F-6
Dec 17 F/O Shahid Raza Killed F-6

PAF Aircrafts Destroyed on Gound
1 RB-57 Destroyed at Masroor on Dec 06.
5 Sabers destroyed at Murid on Dec 08.

PAF aircrafts lost to friendly fire or in accidents
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 04 F/L Nayyar Iqbal Killed F-86
Dec 07 F/O Hamid Khawaja Unknown F-86
Dec 07 S/L Cecil Chaudhry Ejected F-86 (Friendly fire)
Dec 08 F/O Afzal Jamal Siddiqui Killed F-6 (Friendly fire)

Total PAF losses to all causes: 40 (including 13-14 aircrafts destroyed by the personnels of Pakistan Air Force in East Pakistan after runway was cratered beyond repair).

Total IAF losses to all causes(at least): 61






now some one BS with me it was one sided war you come on our skies and do whatever ?

 

[hillman32]

I think most of you are missing an important aspect.

These SU-30 are Indian made...................

I understand that technology is Russian..... But they are assembled and later built in India.

We have witnessed skills of Indian engineers and craftsmen in numerous DRDO disasters one after the other.

SU-30 is good in BVR fight. So PAF needs AWACS which have already been bought from more then one source. F-16 is a mini AWACS itself. PAF need BVR missiles and that they have. So each F-16 is expected to shoot down at least 10 SU-30 before going down.

On Pak soil we expect our gr based AD system to do the job of taking care of SU-30 or rest of IAF aerial threat. Along with Short Range missile, guns, all the 3 services are about to acquire medium range weapons with corresponding radar systems.

So Indian have got to worry and pile up more and more SU-30s...................

 

[Sinnerman108]

nobody is disrespecting any shaheed.
All the soldiers are to be respected whether they are enemy or our own.
but it is fact that at first pakistan refused that soldiers in kargil are pakistani soldiers but later own agreed to it.

Oh, are you referring to the incident where pagans offered the Namaz-e-Jinaza and offered "Ruku" & "Sajda" in it as well ?

Ran that video all over the world, again and again and again ....

How nice !

 

[Imran Khan]

nobody is disrespecting any shaheed.
All the soldiers are to be respected whether they are enemy or our own.
but it is fact that at first pakistan refused that soldiers in kargil are pakistani soldiers but later own agreed to it.

until now we refuse to take back kashmiris dead bodies dear after they confirm solders we take them back but propegnda and hate on your side is on top so no one can say any word to you guys

 

[mjnaushad]

Pakistani version of StormForce....


Pakistan will counter SU 30MKI with F16s..... and J10 will counter MRCA.....

While mirage and JFT will counter the rest of aircrafts tejas etc...


Pakistan was tracking SU30s way before they entered Pakistan Airspace after 26/11....


Trust PAF thinktanks... They have much more info than us....

 

[killeragent]

PAF Air-Kills in East Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot IAF Pilot PAF plane Plane/Pilot fate
Dec 4 F/L Saeed S/L S.B.Samanta F-86 14th Squadron Hunter (37th Squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Shams-ul-Haq S/L V. Bhutani F-86 14th Squadron Su-7 (221 squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Saeed Afzal F/O S.G. Khonde F-86 14th Squadron Hunter (37th Squadron)
Dec 4 F/L Shams-ul-Haq S/L K.D. Mehra F-86 14th Squadron Hunter
Dec 4 F/L Dilawer F/L K. C. Lemontree F-86 14th Squadron Hunter, POW

PAF Air-Kills in West Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot IAF Pilot PAF plane Plane/Squadron
Dec 04 F/L Naeem Atta F/L L.M.Sasoon and F/L R.M. Advani Mirage III Canberra (JBCU)
Dec 04 F/L Qazi Javed F/O Chati (POW) F-6 Hunter (A-479) (27 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Javed Latif F/L H.V. Singh F-6 Su-7 (222 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Salim Bag Mirza F/L K.P. Muralidharan F-86 Hunter (A-462) (20 Squadron)
Dec 04 F/L Mujahid F/O S. Tyagi F-86 Hunter (A-490) (27 Squadron)
Dec 05 F/L Safdar S/L J.M. Mistry Mirage III Hunter(A1014) (20 Squadron)
Dec 05 S/L S. Saad Hatmi F/L G.S. Rai (Killed) F-6 Hunter (A482) (27 Squadron)
Dec 05 F/L Qazi F/O K.L Malkani (Killed) F-6 Hunter (A488) (27 Squadron)
Dec 07 F/L Atiq Sufi / F/L Musharaf Mir S/L Jiwa Singh F-6 Su-7 (26 Squadron)
Dec 08 W/C Hashmi F/L R.G Kadam F-6 Su-7 (TACDE)
Dec 10 W/C Arif Iqbal L/C Ashok Roy (Pilot), Lt H S Sirohi (Obs), O Vijayan F-104 Alize (310 Squadron)
Dec 11 S/L Cecil Chaudhery F/L K.K. Mohan F-86 Su-7 (26 Squadron)
Dec 11 Unknown Pilot F/L R D Naithani (Pilot) F/L G Theophilus (Nav) F/L Manohar Purohit (Nav) Mirage III Canberra (5 Bomber Squadron)
Dec 11 W/C Arif Iqbal / S/L Amanullah S/L Mickey Jatar (Killed) F-104 HF-24 (while taking off from the runway) (10 Squadron)
Dec 14 F/L Salim Beg Mirza F/O N.S. Sekhon F-86 Gnat (18 Squadron)
Dec 14 S/L Salim Gauhar Capt P.K. Gaur F-86 Auster (660 Squadron)
Dec 17 F/L Maqsood Amir F/L Tejwant Singh F-86 Mig-21 (29 Squadron)

PAF Air-Combat Losses in East Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Nov 22 F/L Parvez Mehdi Qureshi POW Sabre vs. Gnat
Nov 22 F/O Khalil Ahmed POW Sabre vs. Gnat
Dec 04 W/C S M Ahmed Killed by Terrorists Sabre vs. Hunter
Dec 04 F/L Saeed Afzal Khan Killed by Terrorists Sabre vs. Hunter
Dec 04 F/O Sajjad Noor Pilot rescued Sabre vs. Hunter

PAF Air Combat Losses in West Pakistan
Date PAF Pilot Aircraft / Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 10 S/L Aslam Choudhry F-86 . Pilot killed in action. S/L R N Bharadwaj In Hunter.
Dec 12 W/C M E Middlecoat F-104. Pilot Killed in action. F/L B B Soni in Mig-21.
Dec 13 F/O N N A Baig F-86. Pilot Killed in action. S/L F J Mehta in Hunter
Dec 17 F/L Samad Ali Changezi F-104. Pilot Killed in action. F/L A K Dutta in Mig-21.
Total PAF losses in Air to Air Combat: 09
Total IAF losses in Air to Air Combat (at least): 22

IAF losses due to Ground fire in East Pakistan
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft involved
Dec 04 S/L S K Gupta Ejected Hunter
Dec 04 F/L A R Da Costa Killed Hunter
Dec 10 S/L R C Sachdeva Killed Hunter
Dec 13 S/L P.S.Gill Ejected Mig-21
Dec 15 F/O B R E Wilson(Pilot) Flt Lt R B Mehta (Nav) Killed Canberra
Unknown F/L Dixon 2 Killed Hunter

IAF losses due to Ground fire in West Pakistan
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 04 F/L M S Grewa POW Su-7
Dec 04 F/L P V Apte Killed HF-24
Dec 04 F/L J L Bhargava Unknown HF-24
Dec 05 F/L A V Pethia POW Mystere
Dec 05 S/L D S Jafa Unknown Su-7
Dec 05 F/L Harish Singhji Unknown Mig-21
Dec 05 F/L V V Tambey Unknown Su-7
Dec 05 F/L S K Goswami (Pilot) F/L S C Mahajan (Nav) Unknown Canberra
Dec 05 F/L S C Sandal (Pt) F/L K S Nanda (Nav) Unknown Canberra
Dec 06 F/O K C Kuruvilla Unknown Su-7
Dec 07 F/O H N D Mulla Feroze Unknown HF-24
Dec 08 S/L Denzil Keelor Unknown Mig-21
Dec 08 W/C B A Coelho Unknown Hunter
Dec 09 F/L N Shanker Unknown Su-7
Dec 09 S/L A V Kamat Unknown HF-24
Dec 10 S/L Jain Killed Hunter
Dec 10 F/L Parulkar Unknown Su-7
Dec 10 F/L S K Chibber Unknown Su-7
Dec 13 S/L J D Kumar Unknown Mystere
Dec 13 W/C H S Gill Unknown Mig-21
Dec 16 F/L T S Danadoss Unknown Su-7
unknown S/L Anukul Unknown Mystere
unknown F/L Das Unknown Mystere

IAF Aircrafts Destroyed on Ground
1 Vampire on Dec 15 (Pakistan claimed far more Indian aircrafts destroyed on ground and this is confirmed by Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, former Indian Army chief).

Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 06 F/L V K Wahi Unknown Su-7
Dec 07 F/O M M Singh Unknown Gnat
Dec 12 F/O P K Sahu Unknown Mig-21
Unknown unknown unknown Mig-21
Unknown unknown unknown Mi-4

IAF Aircrafts Lost in accidents
Date IAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 17 F/L J D'Souza , and Five Crew memebers. Killed Dakota
Unknown S/L Rao Ejected Mig-21
Dec 11 S/L K L Bajaj Killed Alloutte
Dec 11 F/L A B Dhavle Killed Mig-21

PAF losses in East Pakistan Due to Enemy Ground Fire
None: Pakistan Air Force disabled 11 remaining F-86s and 2-3 T-33s by perforating aircraft engines with the gun fire and cutting electric wiring at several places to prevent them from falling into enemy hands after runway was cratered beyond repair.

PAF losses in West Pakistan Due to Enemy Ground Fire
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 05 S/L Khusro,
S/L Peter Chisty Killed B-57
Dec 05 S/L Ishfaq Hameed,
F/L Zulfiqar Ahmed Killed B-57
Dec 05 F/L Javed Iqbal,
F/L G M Malik Killed B-57
Dec 06 S/L Amjad Hussain POW F-104
Dec 07 F/L Wajid Ali Khan POW F-6
Dec 08 F/L Fazal Elahi Killed F-86
Dec 12 F/L Ejazuddin Unknown F-6
Dec 17 F/O Shahid Raza Killed F-6

PAF Aircrafts Destroyed on Gound
1 RB-57 Destroyed at Masroor on Dec 06.
5 Sabers destroyed at Murid on Dec 08.

PAF aircrafts lost to friendly fire or in accidents
Date PAF Pilot Pilot Fate Aircraft Involved
Dec 04 F/L Nayyar Iqbal Killed F-86
Dec 07 F/O Hamid Khawaja Unknown F-86
Dec 07 S/L Cecil Chaudhry Ejected F-86 (Friendly fire)
Dec 08 F/O Afzal Jamal Siddiqui Killed F-6 (Friendly fire)

Total PAF losses to all causes: 40 (including 13-14 aircrafts destroyed by the personnels of Pakistan Air Force in East Pakistan after runway was cratered beyond repair).

Total IAF losses to all causes(at least): 61






now some one BS with me it was one sided war you come on our skies and do whatever ?

SO ELITE MEMBER SIR, THIS IS HOW PAF IS GOING TO COUNTER MKIs Dont know whats the thread and seniors post

 

[Imran Khan]

this is absolutely true that PA refused to take the dead bodies of their soldiers back because they were branding them as intruders and not the regular armymen. it is a well known fact that PA had refused the involvement of their troops in kargil, so how could they take the bodies back ? after 10 years PA has entered the name of martyrs in their website.. check for yourself.

damn wow what a fact you give us dear in starting of kargil there was no pakistani solder there its fact but problem is you living somewhere in other side of border were truth come from zee tv and india tv. is there any problem to receive shaheeds back no nothing .